The time here is 17:15. In Athens there is an orgy of rumours about the exit polls. According to the law it is forbiden for the results of exit polls to be announced before the end of the election process. Nevertheless there are rumors everywhere about the results. Epsecially by anonymous users in twitter and in the internet.
What is probably true is that ND and PASOK are for the biggest failure in their history since 1974. Especially PASOK. As it is predictable SYRIZA gained the indignant votes of PASOK voters and middle class since its leader promised an economic paradise inside EU and makes the sensitive hearts of middle class pounding. There are rumors that it can be the second party after the first ND. Another right -wing party called "Anexartitoi Ellines" (Independent Greeks) is flirting with the 10%. They are a split from ND few months ago. Right-wingers to the core pushing and anti-momorandum policies. You can guess correctly that they are the "good" liberals who are the real patriots because "Greece needs an independent policy damn it!". Xrysi Aygi (Golden Down) are the Nazi party. I am worried that they can reach the 7% or even 8%. That would be a real shame for Greeks. For a country that lost almost 8% fro its population during the WWII it is a great shame for such a party to exist. But capitalism makes people beasts and insensitive and without memory. Thats is one reason to hate bourgeois class. The rumors about KKE are conflicting. The last elections we got 7,54%.. We will probably somewhere between 8 and 10%. I think we we will be around 8,5%.

The first exit poll

ND 18,5 %
SYRIZA 17,0 %
PASOK 15,5 %
ANEX.ELL. 11,0 %
KKE 8,5 %
GOLDEN DOWN 7,0 %
DHMAR 5,5 %
GREENS 3,0 %
LAOS 3,0 %




New Exit poll


ND 17,5 %
SYRIZA 16,5 %
PASOK 16,5 %
ANEX.ELL. 11,0 %
KKE 9,2 %
NAZIS 6,5 %
DHMAR 5,5 %
GREENS 3,0 %
LAOS 3,0 %

The first exit poll

ND 18,5 %
SYRIZA 17,0 %
PASOK 15,5 %
ANEX.ELL. 11,0 %
KKE 8,5 %
GOLDEN DOWN 7,0 %
DHMAR 5,5 %
GREENS 3,0 %
LAOS 3,0 %




New Exit poll


ND 17,5 %
SYRIZA 16,5 %
PASOK 16,5 %
ANEX.ELL. 11,0 %
KKE 9,2 %
NAZIS 6,5 %
DHMAR 5,5 %
GREENS 3,0 %
LAOS 3,0 %

I like that you updated the Nazis as what they really are

I had in mind another word to write but hey what the hell...

New exit poll


ND: 19% – 20,5%,

SYRIZA: 15,5 – 17%,

PASOK: 13 – 14%,

ANEX.ELL: 10 – 11%,

KKE : 8,5 - 9,5%

NAZIS: 6,5 – 7,5%,

DHMAR: 5,5 – 6,5%,

LAOS: 2,7% – 3,3%,

GREENS: 2,7 – 3,3%,

Well it is safe to say that PASOK 38 years political existance ends here. The old socialdemocracy died in Greece today and the new socialdemocracy arises. The old bourgeois parties have been destroyed and are now useless for the bourgeoisie. Their position will take the new socialdemocracy (SYRIZA) and the new Right (Anex. Ell. + nazis and co.). The system brings out its last reserves. I think the situation as it is now agrees with what we call attrition war or rearguard war. There are no political forces left in bourgeois camp. PASOK collapsed and the leftist collaborators run to cover the gap. They promised anything to everyone and managed to intercept the votes directed to KKE. From the Right, the Nazis and the new right-wingers worked to gather the votes of the angry right wingers so they wont vote anti-systemically. The system found alternatives within its boundaries but this is it. No reserves now especially if SYRIZA works with DHMAR (the small PASOK) and ANEX.ELL. KKE got a better result than the last elections and managed to work effectively in the working movement with PAME. I think it is the best decision for KKE to stay out of the new government especially when the ship owners and industrialists are asking for KKE to participate in the new government. My prediction is that we are going to face a propaganda war we havent face before. The "Left" has declared that they will ask for an overthrow of the leadership of KKE. They are going to put a tremendous pressure on us and we must hold. No matter what, KKE must be strong when socialdemocracy goes where it will go, to the trashbin of history.



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Official results of 25% of all voters
ND 20,7 %
SYRIZA 15,5 %
PASOK 14,4 %
ANEX.ELL 10,3 %
KKE 8,3 %
NAZIS 6,8 %
DHMAR 6,0 %
LAOS 2,9 %

New exit poll


ND: 19% – 20,5%,

SYRIZA: 15,5 – 17%,

PASOK: 13 – 14%,

ANEX.ELL: 10 – 11%,

KKE : 8,5 - 9,5%

NAZIS: 6,5 – 7,5%,

DHMAR: 5,5 – 6,5%,

LAOS: 2,7% – 3,3%,

GREENS: 2,7 – 3,3%,

Well it is safe to say that PASOK 38 years political existance ends here. The old socialdemocracy died in Greece today and the new socialdemocracy arises. The old bourgeois parties have been destroyed and are now useless for the bourgeoisie. Their position will take the new socialdemocracy (SYRIZA) and the new Right (Anex. Ell. + nazis and co.). The system brings out its last reserves. I think the situation as it is now agrees with what we call attrition war or rearguard war. There are no political forces left in bourgeois camp. PASOK collapsed and the leftist collaborators run to cover the gap. They promised anything to everyone and managed to intercept the votes directed to KKE. From the Right, the Nazis and the new right-wingers worked to gather the votes of the angry right wingers so they wont vote anti-systemically. The system found alternatives within its boundaries but this is it. No reserves now especially if SYRIZA works with DHMAR (the small PASOK) and ANEX.ELL. KKE got a better result than the last elections and managed to work effectively in the working movement with PAME. I think it is the best decision for KKE to stay out of the new government especially when the ship owners and industrialists are asking for KKE to participate in the new government. My prediction is that we are going to face a propaganda war we havent face before. The "Left" has declared that they will ask for an overthrow of the leadership of KKE. They are going to put a tremendous pressure on us and we must hold. No matter what, KKE must be strong when socialdemocracy goes where it will go, to the trashbin of history.



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Official results of 25% of all voters
ND 20,7 %
SYRIZA 15,5 %
PASOK 14,4 %
ANEX.ELL 10,3 %
KKE 8,3 %
NAZIS 6,8 %
DHMAR 6,0 %
LAOS 2,9 %

No matter how it finally turns out I guess you guys are going to be heavily overshadowed by Hollande today. The Economist tells me he is "a rather dangerous man". Yeah, about the same way George Bush is dangerous with a bag of pretzels.

Well yes the future of French-German axis is in stake. Well not really, they know very well that they have to find a common ground if they want EU to survive. The Economist gave a warning to Hollande to cool off and stop the populist rhetoric. Hollande is barking because the French capital isnt satisfied with the deal Sarkozy cut for them. They feel that they deserved more. Hollande is there to get more so he can throw some crumbs to his voters. Guys, all over Europe the system runs out of options. The crisis is expanding and starts affecting even the big players such as Germany and France. Greece is doomed and soon Spain will follow together with Italy. The problem is systemic. We are entering in a period of unrest in Europe. All those who are participating in bourgeois governments will soon be devaluated in the eyes of the people.

The tranlation is mine. Not perfect but at least it is readable this time, eh Blindpig? lol

Statement from Aleka Papariga, GS of CC of KKE about the elections of 6/5/2012

The election results demonstrated a cessation of rotation in power of the two parties of New Democracy and PASOK We are moving towards a transitional phase where there is going to be an attempt for a new political scene to be created with new parties and political personalities of center-right or socialdemocratic political orientation and with SYRIZA in its core in order to prevent the rising popular radicalism which will lead things in a real uprising for the benefit of the people. They will attempt to form a government after this elections or the next, a government of national unity in order to prevent the formation of a massive popular movement which will demand real change.

We call the Party members, the members of the Communist Youth, friends, our voters, the people who are pioneers and leaders in the movement and the electoral battle to go tomorrow to the first line of the struggle because we have to deal with urgent issues such as collective agreements, protection of the unemployed, the bankruptcy of the insurance funds, the new austerity measures which demand 11.5 to 14,500,000,000 euros which will be removed from the pockets of the people and we can not waste time, people can not waste time.

We call also the voters of New Democracy and PASOK especially those who belong to lower classes to fight together with us in workplaces and in the places of education. They are the people who should give a new momentum in the struggle.

We urge the people not to be deceived by the disguise of the political system the next few days, the coming months. However the election results, despite the fact that the votes were scattered outside the Parliament, demonstrated a positive trend. The goal for the uprising will be matured objectively in the popular conscience and the movement of real uprising will be matured too and the goals of this movement will not be away from the goals set by the Communist Party. We think it is important and positive that although we fought alone against a group of pro-european and pro-union forces, we managed to get through our political proposal. We believe that this proposal represents a significant legacy for the people. We feel that our responsibility and our contribution towards the people is becoming more significant and we believe that we will remain the indispensable power in the popular struggle.

The Communist Party went through Simplegades*. On the one side the blind indignation and on the other the political illusions. The Communist Party has a small increase in votes. Clearly we would like a larger percentage. We had no illusions that in the elections the Communist Party could reach electoral heights because the electoral performance of the Communist Party is dependent most of all on the development of a strong popular movement emancipated from the usual dilemmas and illusions. The Communist Party has made clear its stance towards any government that will be formed.
The Communist Party has declared before election its position and will not hesitate to declare again its stance towards any government that will be emerged after the elections, either center-right government, or government of center-left or Left. We want to make it clear: Of course we are sure that ND or PASOK will not address their proposal for cooperation to us. They know too well the profound differences between us, but we want once again to respond to the proposal reiterated by SYRIZA after the elections for a government of the Left and we want to give a clear answer. Our position is clear: We say “No” to their proposal of cooperation because we dont take our decisions based on the high or low expectations at the ballot box.

We heard that the leader of SYRIZA will request a meeting and that he wishes to make private conversations during of which he will notify is on his proposal. Obviously, whoever proposes government cooperation, has to describe in detail his plan about June,or July, the coming months or to describe his political plan untill the the end of the year, specific proposals and plans on specific issues and not general slogans and general accusations of the Memorandum. What exactly does he want? We only have heard he said something about social benefit subsidies or something like that.

But a government, of whatever political orientation will have to face serious problems. First of all, not just the termination of the Memorandum, but has to return to the people all the things that were lost before the memorandum and of course many other after the memorandum. A government has to deal with everything and not just eg the unemployment benefits. The government has to deal with economic issues, has to deal with the attitudes of business leaders toward workers, the list of privatizations that has been planned from previous years. He has to handle the foreign policy issues such as national commitments towards EU, NATO, the alliance with the U.S.

The Communist Party cannot agree to such a government because that would mean not just a a small compromise, a small turn. That would be a radical turn. We will have to make unacceptable compromises against the popular interests. Perhaps the people are not interested in ideological purity of the parties. The people, however, are interested in having one party over the years that has always been since its birth in the forefront of the fight, a party that will not abandon this bastion of struggle in order to win some ministerial posts. The people does not need such a Communist Party.


http://www.kke.gr/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&morf=1&id=7165&Itemid=315





*Symplegades (sim-PLEG-uh-deez)
The Clashing Rocks, which smashed together upon any ship passing between them. Jason and the Argonauts had been advised to avoid this trap by causing a bird to fly ahead of their vessel. The Symplegades clashed together on its tail feathers, then drew apart in readiness to clash again. At this moment, the Argonauts sailed through safely, with only minor damage to the very stern of their ship.
http://www.mythweb.com/encyc/entries/symplegades.html



Fuck yeah!!

Statement from Aleka Papariga, GS of CC of KKE about the elections of 6/5/2012

The Communist Party cannot agree to such a government because that would mean not just a a small compromise, a small turn. That would be a radical turn. We will have to make unacceptable compromises against the popular interests. Perhaps the people are not interested in ideological purity of the parties. The people, however, are interested in having one party over the years that has always been since its birth in the forefront of the fight, a party that will not abandon this bastion of struggle in order to win some ministerial posts. The people does not need such a Communist Party.


http://www.kke.gr/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&morf=1&id=7165&Itemid=315



Thanks for this information and congratulations on continued PROGRESS, nikos.

How do you say Kerensky in Greek?

It is insane that SYRIZA will get more votes than PASOK... It is a lucky thing that the democratic, modern, twitter fed "communists", in favor of the memorandum, were available. Man, oh man... is your bourgeoisie ever desperate. They must all be members of Occupy by now.

SYRIZA was dead a few months ago. Their scrawny, middle-class, freedom-loving, ignorant ass has been resurrected through sheer desperation.

They should definitely form a government... with ND, the Nazis and the Greens.

Ridiculous.

Papariga is right as usual. This is pure transition. Nobody believes these clowns can rule... and nobody is ready to VOTE to overturn the thing in its totality. It is a dilemma (or dialectic?) of the bourgeois-democratic process.

Been hearing that ND is saying that there will be election again in a few months and they hope to solidify their position. What's that about?

Never mind, if a government cannot be formed there will be new elections.

Hard to guess why they say that, as KKE recognises involvement in the government at this juncture is a kiss of death.

Thanks for this information and congratulations on continued PROGRESS, nikos.

Thank you very much PinkoCommie!


How do you say Kerensky in Greek?

It is insane that SYRIZA will get more votes than PASOK... It is a lucky thing that the democratic, modern, twitter fed "communists", in favor of the memorandum, were available. Man, oh man... is your bourgeoisie ever desperate. They must all be members of Occupy by now.

SYRIZA was dead a few months ago. Their scrawny, middle-class, freedom-loving, ignorant ass has been resurrected through sheer desperation.

They should definitely form a government... with ND, the Nazis and the Greens.

Ridiculous.

Papariga is right as usual. This is pure transition. Nobody believes these clowns can rule... and nobody is ready to VOTE to overturn the thing in its totality. It is a dilemma (or dialectic?) of the bourgeois-democratic process.

They system lost a socialdemocratic party and found one(SYRIZA). The system lost one conservative party and found two extremist right-wing parties (Anex.Ell and Nazis). The popular movement is still weak and it is obvious that it isnt able to confront face to face the monster. But we will get there sooner or later. In the meantime, Hollande is the new star of european socialdemocracy. People want solutions now and they want solutions without them doing anything than singing in squares or chatting in the social media chatrooms about how pissed they are with the neoliberals who took their "european" dream away along with their mercedes and their houses. To be honest, yes, the results leave a bitter taste especially if you take into account all the struggle and the efforts of the Party these last two years. But it was clear from the start that the class struggle is very difficult task and you need patience and strong nerves to bare with the situations. None of us can claim that he didnt knew the troubles before signing up for the job. I am sad mostly because Greece sacrificed nearly 8% of the population in the war against the Nazis and now my stupid compatriots voted for these scums. It is disappointing when you think the level of political maturity of those people. On the other hand, there is no other alternative for a communist party than to fight on untill the end regardless of the temporary setbacks. The goal remains the same: The emancipation of the greek working class and the destruction of the greek capitalism. There will be no collaboration with the socialdemocrats and their leftist lackeys. The "popular" movement of Indignants and the movement of the square and the activists around Europe have chosen socialdemocracy and parliamentarian solutions instead of radicalism. The system is using their reserves, the alternative Right and Left. Let's see how quickly these reserves will be burned. What else is left after them? Communists must be ready to fill the vacuum. The crisis will continue. We must hold our forces.


Never mind, if a government cannot be formed there will be new elections.

Hard to guess why they say that, as KKE recognises involvement in the government at this juncture is a kiss of death.

They need 151 seats and PASOK and ND together have 149. Probably we will have elections in one month from now. Everyone who participates in the government will have to dealwith the official default. ND just trying not to lose face. But most like they are dead politically. Now we have the new players. The faster they will be burned, the stronger the popular movement will become. What you see in Greece wil become reality in other countries too sooner or later. It is the bourgeois system developing its strategy. This is how they fight.

Hey Nikos,

Just saw that the top 2 of Pasok and ND that have alternated in power for decades went from 77% of votes last election to 32% this time.

I wanna make a graphic of this that says something like:

We ARE coming for you, motherfuckers

http://blog.thomsonreuters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/greece-election.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-_9vTD5vUYPY/TaV0ZHwiG1I/AAAAAAAADBk/b3zMrypgvDA/s590/KKEsim4.jpg

Anger when it is led along militant pathways always yields something better: A strong KKE

14/5/2012

The fraudulent process of the exploratory mandates for the formation of a government lasted one week. A process in which a series of misleading and intimidating dilemmas were regurgitated, such as “right-left”, “memorandum-anti-memorandum”, “euro-drachma”, “austerity-development”. On Sunday 13/5 after the conclusion of the process of the exploratory mandates of the first three parties for the formation of a government, the President of the Republic started the process of meeting the political leaders. After her meeting with the President of the Republic, the GS of the CC of the KKE, Aleka Papariga made the following statement:

“Whatever government emerges before or after the elections – and in our opinion we are heading for elections- will not abolish the memorandum or the loan agreement and even more so it will not eradicate the consequences of these things. A wind is blowing in Europe, as I said to the President of the Republic but for the time being this wind is without any substance. Whatever amendments will be made will have nothing to with improving the lives of the people.

We will table in the next parliament a draft law which will pose in a very specific way the abolition and overthrow of the loan agreement and memorandum, and the parties will have to take a position. After all, a decision of the Parliament, a majority, if it exists, would be much more important than some letters which have been sent or which are being asked for. And however they want to present them, these letters are dubious. They can be interpreted in many ways. But a decision, a law passed in the Greek parliament, would be something very specific.

We are focussing our attention on the justified anger and indignation of the people so that it is not transformed into disillusionment, through the false hopes and illusions. The disillusionment will certainly lead the people into compromise, retreat and defeat. Anger when it is led along militant pathways always yields something better.

Finally we consider that the situation today, which cannot be radically changed immediately (but of course this will change in the future)as the people can not have their own government, a government which would abolish the memorandum, the loan agreement, the consequences of these things, a government which would solve their problems, presents an opportunity for the people in today’s situation. This opportunity is to strengthen the KKE, to meet together in the struggles, so that we can repel measures, and struggle to improve the situation. Tomorrow at the rally, we will say a lot more in regards to this.”

Will you refuse, Ms Papariga, to participate in the government after the next elections, if one of the parties with sufficient seats proposed it?

“We have answered this question many times. But since you have given me the opportunity I will say this: The exploratory mandates in our opinion showed us something, despite the theatre, and the irresponsibility in relation to the Greek people. One party tabled five points, another nine, and another placed two lines in the sand, another party four. Listen: When a government is formed whether for one year or four, it must deal with everything. The Papademos government had to deal with emergency issues. For example, we have a NATO summit. In the name of forming a “coalition government”, these things cannot be concealed. The parties, especially those that seek to form a government, cannot pose 5, 6 , 7 issues as a minimum programme. What is a minimum programme? When you govern you have to deal with all the issues, the maximum. An example: They say nothing regarding the NATO summit. One of them talks exclusively about the name of FYROM. But the NATO summit will deal with the military operations of this dirty, imperialist alliance. Can I really look at the NATO summit by only focussing on the issue of FYROM.

They are duping the Greek people because they are posing selected issues-issues chosen to make the people feel happy and hopeful. If we made a proposal for governmental participation and cooperation we would pose all the issues. Of course when you formulate a proposal for cooperation, you can make mutual concessions, but you place all the issues on the table-the issues you know that you will face in the first, second, third and fourth year of government.

The way the exploratory mandates were utilised was nothing other than a show designed to dupe the people. And I would like to remind you that we said that we would not take the exploratory mandate if we were the third party, we made that clear. Of course we would have gone to receive it, and then we would have immediately handed it back to the President of the Republic. Why? When you participate in the process of the exploratory mandates, you have to formulate a proposal, everyone would have said no to us and then we would have said that “you are all to blame because you did not agree with us.”

And the Greek people must understand that this is a mockery and travesty.”

Are you referring to Mr Tsipras?

To all of them.

http://inter.kke.gr/News/news2012/2012-05-14-synantisi-papoylia/

Compare and contrast, and you know what I'm talking about.