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blindpig
06-18-2014, 07:42 AM
I've come to greatly appreciate this guy's military analysis and his analysis of Russian politics but the more I see of him the weirder he gets.
First, Russia was literally "sucked into" WWI by the Germany. Russia did not have to enter the war as Russia herself was not attacked. "Only" Serbia was. Russia was not ready to enter the war, but the Czar-Martyr Saint Nicholas II decided that it was his Christian duty was to take the defense of the Serbian people even if all pragmatic considerations were clearly advocating against a Russian intervention. This war soon turned out to be extremely costly for Russia and greatly contributed to the weakening of the Russian monarchy which eventually resulted in a Aristocratic-Masonic coup (February 1917) followed by a Jewish-Bolshevik coup (October 1917). Did the Czar do the right thing when he decided to defend the Serbian nation at the potential cost of his own Empire, the last Christian Empire in history? It is a fact that the Serbian Prince Alexander and the Serbian people have always shown an immense and sincere gratitude to the Russian people and to Czar Nicholas II (whose first icon was painted on a fresco in Serbia, not Russia). But Russia also liberated Bulgaria from the Ottoman yoke. We now see the kind of "gratitude" Russia got from Bulgaria. Will a liberated Novorossia be more like Serbia or more like Bulgaria?
The occasional reference to 'the Jews' was perhaps tolerable(found allies are like that) but this shit is getting straight outta conspiracy land and ya gotta wonder how it shades his political analysis. The military analysis should be fine.
Dhalgren
06-18-2014, 08:45 AM
I've come to greatly appreciate this guy's military analysis and his analysis of Russian politics but the more I see of him the weirder he gets.
The occasional reference to 'the Jews' was perhaps tolerable(found allies are like that) but this shit is getting straight outta conspiracy land and ya gotta wonder how it shades his political analysis. The military analysis should be fine.
I completely agree. His reporting of the situation in Ukraine and elsewhere, on the ground, is good and fairly clear - however, the dude's politics sucks and he is anything but a materialist. He has a tenuous grasp of history and tends to follow the "spirit moves the flesh" school of thought - in other words, bullshit. He has dropped these little "Jew bombs" before and comes across as, essentially, anti-communist...but who isn't these days...
blindpig
06-18-2014, 03:08 PM
I completely agree. His reporting of the situation in Ukraine and elsewhere, on the ground, is good and fairly clear - however, the dude's politics sucks and he is anything but a materialist. He has a tenuous grasp of history and tends to follow the "spirit moves the flesh" school of thought - in other words, bullshit. He has dropped these little "Jew bombs" before and comes across as, essentially, anti-communist...but who isn't these days...
Sometimes it seems that he grasps imperialism pretty well, and then it seems he'd go wild for a Romanov restoration. People are funny. A lot of this jive is to be found in the comments at RT.
Anti-communist, anti-fascist, anti-imperialist, that don't leave ya too many friends except for philistines. Still, where this crazy doesn't come into play his reports seem genuine and the military analysis is good but his thinking on Russia gonna need second look.
anaxarchos
06-22-2014, 10:11 PM
I completely agree. His reporting of the situation in Ukraine and elsewhere, on the ground, is good and fairly clear - however, the dude's politics sucks and he is anything but a materialist. He has a tenuous grasp of history and tends to follow the "spirit moves the flesh" school of thought - in other words, bullshit. He has dropped these little "Jew bombs" before and comes across as, essentially, anti-communist...but who isn't these days...
It is astonishing to me. I must lead a cloistered life.
They are all fookin' nuts... completely crazy. They make a ton of sense, they know many things, and then they turn out to be 9-11 truthers, Alex Jones whack jobs, Federal Reserve conspiracists, Russian Monarchists... It ain't just gringos. It's the Russkis and everyone else in between. This is the Anti-Fascist/Anti-Imperialist Alliance.
Meanwhile, the "Commies" are worthless... Totally lost in their own bullshit.
There ain't a materialist fiber out there.
I gotta think about this shit cause many of these are heroes and fine people but you cannot win this way. Ever...
Kid of the Black Hole
06-22-2014, 10:37 PM
I gotta think about this shit cause many of these are heroes and fine people but you cannot win this way. Ever...
I've been meaning to think about it too..as soon as it actually sinks in..
Christian Czar-Martyr. He might as well walk around with a half shell strapped to his back and call himself the Terrible Turtle.
The Commies are beyond worthless..they couldn't come up with a materialist theory on how to treat an ingrown toenail.
blindpig
06-23-2014, 01:03 PM
It is astonishing to me. I must lead a cloistered life.
They are all fookin' nuts... completely crazy. They make a ton of sense, they know many things, and then they turn out to be 9-11 truthers, Alex Jones whack jobs, Federal Reserve conspiracists, Russian Monarchists... It ain't just gringos. It's the Russkis and everyone else in between. This is the Anti-Fascist/Anti-Imperialist Alliance.
Meanwhile, the "Commies" are worthless... Totally lost in their own bullshit.
There ain't a materialist fiber out there.
I gotta think about this shit cause many of these are heroes and fine people but you cannot win this way. Ever...
Anything, absolutely anything, but communism. The meme has become imbedded in the bedrock. Disqualified out the gate and dismissed and all that's left in the landscape is folderol or worse.
Gotta wonder, are there no commies in Donbas? Do they in any way have their shit together, are they too busy dodging Nazi hit squads, are they unwelcome by the Russian Orthodox Army or are they just another party in decline?
anaxarchos
06-23-2014, 03:10 PM
Anything, absolutely anything, but communism. The meme has become imbedded in the bedrock. Disqualified out the gate and dismissed and all that's left in the landscape is folderol or worse.
Gotta wonder, are there no commies in Donbas? Do they in any way have their shit together, are they too busy dodging Nazi hit squads, are they unwelcome by the Russian Orthodox Army or are they just another party in decline?
It is far, far weirder than that. Every institution, every idea, every weapon - anything that is of value - is Soviet even though we are talking about 25 years ago. This is all recognized but attributed to "Russia". Each proper step of the periphery is gauged just as in the old days but there is no ideological core at the center.
Actually, the symbols of Communism are everywhere... from the hammer & sickle flags to expropriations, to the practical perspectives with the "comrades". There is also a delineation between "old" and "new" comrades, with much respect for "new communists" (including from saker). There are a number of communists in the Luhansk People's Republic... yet your main point remains.
blindpig
06-28-2014, 04:18 PM
Speculation, analysis & blarney concerning the Saker here:.
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2014/04/who-is-saker.html
anaxarchos
06-29-2014, 11:05 PM
Speculation, analysis & blarney concerning the Saker here:.
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2014/04/who-is-saker.html
Well, in comparison to their Western equivalents, these people are 1000 times better educated, more sophisticated and keenly trained. They are not idiots and seem to owe a lot to the Soviet system. That is what is so jarring when they veer off into stupid mysticism, crazy theorists, implausible conspiracies and the like. They move too easily between a non-existent shadow world and the real one. Saker is not alone.
Still, at core they lack substance... products of materialism but lacking its foundations. The discussion of "the dead end" of communism and the "discovery" that anti-communism was actually Russia phobia... that is a ship adrift. Competitive opposition to Russia and ideological/political/economic opposition to the USSR BOTH existed, but not at the same time.
They still respect/fear Lenin/Stalin but they miss the most important dictate: that without revolutionary theory there can be no revolution. All the spiritual and poetic musing in the world can't change that.
They also miss that without the Bolshevik Revolution, the Russian Empire was a dead duck... at least as moribund as Austro-Hungary or the Ottomans. The Chinese miss it too.
blindpig
06-30-2014, 09:11 AM
Well, in comparison to their Western equivalents, these people are 1000 times better educated, more sophisticated and keenly trained. They are not idiots and seem to owe a lot to the Soviet system. That is what is so jarring when they veer off into stupid mysticism, crazy theorists, implausible conspiracies and the like. They move too easily between a non-existent shadow world and the real one. Saker is not alone.
Still, at core they lack substance... products of materialism but lacking its foundations. The discussion of "the dead end" of communism and the "discovery" that anti-communism was actually Russia phobia... that is a ship adrift. Competitive opposition to Russia and ideological/political/economic opposition to the USSR BOTH existed, but not at the same time.
They still respect/fear Lenin/Stalin but they miss the most important dictate: that without revolutionary theory there can be no revolution. All the spiritual and poetic musing in the world can't change that.
They also miss that without the Bolshevik Revolution, the Russian Empire was a dead duck... at least as moribund as Austro-Hungary or the Ottomans. The Chinese miss it too.
No materialism and so no class perspective, it seems that when something occurs which indicates class politics stirring it is blythely ignored, not just by Saker but by all parties involved, as though nobdy wants to 'go there'. Now maybe these pronouncements are just hiccups in an unsettled situation but maybe they are an underlying current. Or a potential current. In any case, this having anything to do with class conflict is not in anybody's narrative. Because we're beyond that now, or something.
Really smart, accomplished people full of crazy shit, history is replete with them. They make me crazy too.
anaxarchos
06-30-2014, 05:39 PM
No materialism and so no class perspective, it seems that when something occurs which indicates class politics stirring it is blythely ignored, not just by Saker but by all parties involved, as though nobdy wants to 'go there'. Now maybe these pronouncements are just hiccups in an unsettled situation but maybe they are an underlying current. Or a potential current. In any case, this having anything to do with class conflict is not in anybody's narrative. Because we're beyond that now, or something.
Really smart, accomplished people full of crazy shit, history is replete with them. They make me crazy too.
The guys is completely nuts. Read this. It is a version of Russian History written bu Alex Jones or some such. Might as well be the Tea Party circus in a different alpahabet.
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ch/2014/06/how-far-can-russians-retreats-in-memory.html
Kid of the Black Hole
06-30-2014, 08:07 PM
Well, in comparison to their Western equivalents, these people are 1000 times better educated, more sophisticated and keenly trained. They are not idiots and seem to owe a lot to the Soviet system. That is what is so jarring when they veer off into stupid mysticism, crazy theorists, implausible conspiracies and the like. They move too easily between a non-existent shadow world and the real one. Saker is not alone.
Still, at core they lack substance... products of materialism but lacking its foundations. The discussion of "the dead end" of communism and the "discovery" that anti-communism was actually Russia phobia... that is a ship adrift. Competitive opposition to Russia and ideological/political/economic opposition to the USSR BOTH existed, but not at the same time.
They still respect/fear Lenin/Stalin but they miss the most important dictate: that without revolutionary theory there can be no revolution. All the spiritual and poetic musing in the world can't change that.
They also miss that without the Bolshevik Revolution, the Russian Empire was a dead duck... at least as moribund as Austro-Hungary or the Ottomans. The Chinese miss it too.
Its a kind of a microcosm of the enormity of the gains of the past and the magnitude of what has been lost -- it doesn't just toggle on and off, it atrophies. 'Use it or lose' it is very much in effect.
Trying to think too deeply about the descent in progress probably won't help much -- it actually starts to feel like a form of rubbernecking at some point.
blindpig
06-30-2014, 08:42 PM
The guys is completely nuts. Read this. It is a version of Russian History written bu Alex Jones or some such. Might as well be the Tea Party circus in a different alpahabet.
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ch/2014/06/how-far-can-russians-retreats-in-memory.html
I was gonna try and ignore that crazy shit, and it is as crazy as the nut cases we usta kick around. Free Masons, St Nicky II, love to hear his take on Rasputin, bound to be a gas.
Like you said, a lot of our current allies are fucking nuts, the guy at Global Research is another. One minute they make perfect sense and the next they are Riley Martin.
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