Israeli officials reject U.S. findings on Iran (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3089396&mesg_id=3089396)

Israeli officials reject U.S. findings on Iran (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3089396&mesg_id=3089396)

FWIW I thought was pretty mild for DU, but they do put the "glory" in gloryhole don't they. All thats missing is the "h" since George Bush adds the "ole!"

Ta-da!

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Gotta give ol Ghost some credit, couldn't stir up a hornet's nest like that celebrating Fidel's birthday.

The arrogance and cluelessness of the privileged can't hardly be better displayed.

Equating the Republican and Democratic parties is not in the spirit and purpose of DU.

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Ionesco is rolling in his grave. When did DU start poaching on theater of the absurd?

I see all the tribes in this one, bp. There are the "little bits" as in, "all I need is a lttle bit and I can keep this lifestyle going another decade". There are the entitled ones. There are the "no hope" brigadistas. All the usual suspects are out and about... with nowhere to go. And then, along comes this rhinoceros.


http://living.onstable.com/wp-images/rhino.jpg

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Ionesco is rolling in his grave. When did DU start poaching on theater of the absurd?

I see all the tribes in this one, bp. There are the "little bits" as in, "all I need is a lttle bit and I can keep this lifestyle going another decade". There are the entitled ones. There are the "no hope" brigadistas. All the usual suspects are out and about... with nowhere to go. And then, along comes this rhinoceros.


http://living.onstable.com/wp-images/rhino.jpg

Maybe they'll rename the place Rhinoceros Underground.

The Huck thread sure put a knot in Earl G's undies.

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for the record, deleted post #21:

Subject ---- Your donation dollars at work

Message body ----
http://www.georgeschmidt.com/The_Oyster_Dance.jpg

No fuckin sense of humor whatsoever, gone in a New York minute, and this April Fool's Day too.

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for the record, deleted post #21:

Subject ---- Your donation dollars at work

Message body ----


No fuckin sense of humor whatsoever, gone in a New York minute, and this April Fool's Day too.

So lemme get this. Skinner puts up a thread saying "Your donations at work" and the way that donations "work" is that DU hires a lawyer to harass some guy on some other website who makes some unsubstantiated claims (unheard of on the web) and then the "troops" line up by the dozens to say "Thank you fearless leader"? And, you're not allowed to poke light fun at this?

I always wondered who these "sheeple" were that they used to talk about on DU. Now I know...

http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/images/stories/mel/1sheep2.jpg

BP, if you ever pass through Florida, you me and Anax have to go to the tittie bar. Megan's invited too if she's into it ;)

BP, if you ever pass through Florida, you me and Anax have to go to the tittie bar. Megan's invited too if she's into it ;)

Don't push it, bin thinking about hookin up with a friend of mine at Cedar Key, possible could happen.

BP, if you ever pass through Florida, you me and Anax have to go to the tittie bar. Megan's invited too if she's into it ;)

Damn kid, you see titties and think 'let's meet in Florida for a trip to the tittie bar' rofl

Anyway, count me in, as long as I'm in town (or in state as the case may be) :P

BP, if you ever pass through Florida, you me and Anax have to go to the tittie bar. Megan's invited too if she's into it ;)

Damn kid, you see titties and think 'let's meet in Florida for a trip to the tittie bar' rofl

Anyway, count me in, as long as I'm in town (or in state as the case may be) :P

Boy needs to get his mind out of the gutter:


http://www.dungevalley.co.uk/Birds/greattit.jpg

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/bouncing-tits.gif

Admittedly, the boids are not my instant go-to for word association either

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what a party...

Uh-oh, Mark of the Beast:


Spagnuolo is a "buddy" of Ward Churchill. On his website he cheered some good news for his buddy Glenn after a lawsuit against Glenn was dropped. These two people run in many of the same circles and can easily be connected.




This is a huge setup along the lines of the infultration of AIM and the Leonard Peltier Incident at Pine Ridge Reservation. These people are KNOWN COINTELPRO provocateurs and they are trying to get us in trouble and discredited.

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Note the subthread that I started.

Never heard of the guy. Surprised, huh?

Seems like more of that 'thus far and no farther' stuff. Gatekeeping?

Comments?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3361322&mesg_id=3364836

Note the subthread that I started.

Never heard of the guy. Surprised, huh?

Seems like more of that 'thus far and no farther' stuff. Gatekeeping?

Comments?

Yeah, the comment about being against capitalism but not against markets is kind of the give away. My first thought on the name was an homage to Hannah Arendt but probably not..

I've never had enough interest to dig into Braudel, and I think the Annales School he mentions is more of a footnote than anything. That may be too dismissive though, I'm not sure. Anax might know more.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3361322&mesg_id=3364836

Note the subthread that I started.

Never heard of the guy. Surprised, huh?

Seems like more of that 'thus far and no farther' stuff. Gatekeeping?

Comments?

Yeah, the comment about being against capitalism but not against markets is kind of the give away. My first thought on the name was an homage to Hannah Arendt but probably not..

I've never had enough interest to dig into Braudel, and I think the Annales School he mentions is more of a footnote than anything. That may be too dismissive though, I'm not sure. Anax might know more.

Is too homage to HA. Said so in a thread some time ago. One of the better posters over there, articulate and seemingly thoughtful, but unwilling to 'go all way'.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3361322&mesg_id=3364836

Note the subthread that I started.

Never heard of the guy. Surprised, huh?

Seems like more of that 'thus far and no farther' stuff. Gatekeeping?

Comments?

Yeah, the comment about being against capitalism but not against markets is kind of the give away. My first thought on the name was an homage to Hannah Arendt but probably not..

I've never had enough interest to dig into Braudel, and I think the Annales School he mentions is more of a footnote than anything. That may be too dismissive though, I'm not sure. Anax might know more.

Consider a post WW2, "post-modern" society as prosperous as that of the U.S. but in which the second largest party was the Socialist Party (the Imperialist-Socialist Party, but that took a while to become clear), the Communist Party was the hero of the Resistance during the War, and the PCF was consistently pulling in 15% to 20% of the vote. Now consider the difficulties of retreat in such a society, back to simple philistinism and post-industrial stupor. This is the thermidor in which the rise of the French Filosophers can be explained. Each appears as a New Left variation on social criticism but taken together they are exactly the opposite of that. They represent a thousand revisions to the old ideology which here counts as the old criticism of the state of society. It is a death by a thousand blows. To see how effective it has been, check out the main themes of the Socialist Party in its contest with Sarkozy just one year ago.

Braudel was a small fry except to the initiated. Like so many others, he was full of the pied-noir perspective on the universe. His great contribution was to discover capitalist market cycles in a world in which capitalism did not yet exist. In order to do so, he had to "loosen" the definition of capitalism. Think Naomi Klein but with a much better education. The Annales School is named for their journal, the Annals of Social History which was complicated: both offering interesting and nominally materialist perspectives on the world AND integrating flaky shit like psycho-history. The golden age of all this was in the 1930s. Whatever the limitations of all of this back then, the "re-discovery" of it in the 1960s was intended as yet another "alternative" to the dark grey of Marxism.

I'm tellin' ya... ANYTHING but Marxism.
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62 recs for Arendt's bullshit post? Geezus..

62 recs for Arendt's bullshit post? Geezus..

It's all relative. Consider most of the post over there.

62 recs for Arendt's bullshit post? Geezus..

It's all relative. Consider most of the post over there.

Joe B article posted on DU. Weird thing is, TWO people posted it and the threads went in massively different directions.

This one got..crazy.

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Good thread to read if you think of it as a recruiting ground. Readmoreoften was a user I'd never seen before.

[quote="Kid Of The Black Hole":344h33b5]62 recs for Arendt's bullshit post? Geezus..

It's all relative. Consider most of the post over there.

Joe B article posted on DU. Weird thing is, TWO people posted it and the threads went in massively different directions.

This one got..crazy.

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Good thread to read if you think of it as a recruiting ground. Readmoreoften was a user I'd never seen before.[/quote:344h33b5]

Terribly illustrative, isn't it? I'm gonna send a lnk to Joe, love to see him jump in. There's always some potential floating around DU, getting them to 'the next step' is the trick. I think that presenting different aspects of both the history and the potential of socialism is very useful in invalidating so-called 'common knowledge' and by attaching an individual's 'issue' to the greater matter.

Where's that other thread?

I know I saw it. It was basically a few posters who all professed to love Joe..no controversy that I saw. Damned if I can find it now.

I know I saw it. It was basically a few posters who all professed to love Joe..no controversy that I saw. Damned if I can find it now.

The difference mighta had something to do with the editing, which in the 'hotter' thread highlighted the meat of the matter.
Remarkably like what I posted in the Booklet #4 thread......

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Damn I typed up a long reply only to find out that the thread was locked. Sucks..

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Damn I typed up a long reply only to find out that the thread was locked. Sucks..

Hate that for ya.

I like throwing rocks.

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Damn I typed up a long reply only to find out that the thread was locked. Sucks..

Hate that for ya.

I like throwing rocks.

The worst part was all you did was post an article by Counterpunch and everyone of them starting slinging rocks at you personally and they weren't far from targeting your mother either.

I saved my response from being "eaten" and posted it on a different thread

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Damn I typed up a long reply only to find out that the thread was locked. Sucks..

Hate that for ya.

I like throwing rocks.

The worst part was all you did was post an article by Counterpunch and everyone of them starting slinging rocks at you personally and they weren't far from targeting your mother either.

I saved my response from being "eaten" and posted it on a different thread

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They are a gang of hollow chumps who will choke on their words, by and by, if the have any honesty whatsoever. It's like a fuckin' playground, what children. Bout the only sensible remarks were from Hilbots who stopped in to gloat. I despair for these people.

Hey BP, I gave Arendt a litle love tap, lets see how s/he responds

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Time to get her head out of the clouds or she can shut the fuck up

Hey BP, I gave Arendt a litle love tap, lets see how s/he responds

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Time to get her head out of the clouds or she can shut the fuck up

Hehe, well done. You 'sound intelligent'. Guess Ardendt never met a Nihilist before.

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DU is so predictable

i read DU regularly during GD . i did see the relevance of the "this is Obama Underground!" statements. (i'm an Obams supporter, have been for quite some time, tho he was not my first choice.)

i've been at DU for years. while i could have predicted that many here would realize that Obama has feet made of clay, i am shocked at how quickly it happened. holy christ, people! y'all just really like to fight on the internet, dontcha?

yesterday, Obama was our saviour. today, he has betrayed us all! *outrage* *venom* *blah blah blah*

here's a newsflash: DU members will pillory anyone, for any reason, at any time. why? i don't exactly know, but it happens all the time. it's been this way for years.

i'm going to go ahead and keep trying to hang on to this hope. it's the best i've had since jimmy carter told us to turn down our thermostats.

I believe that careful attention to history and the progression of capitalism in America leads one to the inevitable conclusion that we have long passed the possibility of popular revolution resulting in the dismantling of this politico-economic system and its replacement by another system.

Multiple indicators lead me to believe that there is no chance left of a revolt (be it through the ballot box or by other means) by the people leading to the dismantling of our late-capitalist society. One is the fact that despite my intense concern over poverty in the United States, the overwhelming majority of all American Citizens enjoy a quality of life that is many times greater than 90% of the rest of the world. That breeds complacency - few want to rock the boat and risk whatever little life they have carved out for themselves.

Add to this the ruthless effectiveness of late-capitalist propaganda, which Americans are inundated with every second of every minute of every day instilling a complete value system of materialism, personal worth defined by acquisition, the dumbing down of the public through sensationalist entertainment distraction. Think about it, if you ask many Americans about their favorite sports team, you'll be amazed at the level of expertise they demonstrate. Ask the same person about politics, and they are dumb as a post - that's not just the individuals fault. That's also mission accomplished by the intensive propaganda used to sustain this late-capitalist society. Remember that the ideal individual of the public in the minds of a corporate-state society such as ours is one that is ignorant and disinterested in the system, but rabidly interesting in all forms of material consumption.

Mission accomplished.

There are many other reasons why we have passed the historical point when a popular revolution was possible. But this system can no longer be changed by that sort of revolution. The system will only be changed when it collapses under the weight of its own excess. That's it. And we're already seeing this process in action. As wealth continues to be consolidated more and more into the hands of a tiny minority while at the same time the number of those slipping into relative poverty continues to increase - the basic structure of the capitalist economy (that depends on the consumption capability of its working class) continues to falter. Add to that the short-sighted "plunderer" attitude of the corporate-government that continues to adopt short-sighted policies across the entire spectrum generating massive wealth today at the expense of economic, environmental and system-wide sustainability and Capitalism is headed exactly where it was predicted to arrive: at its own destruction.

Because I don't believe that it is possible to have a popular "revolution" that changes the system from within, and feel I have strong evidence to back that opinion - I don't enjoy a love affair with radical candidates for President of this late-capitalist system who base their entire hope of getting elected on the notion that somehow there could be some "mass awakening" within the public, even though we have generations upon generations of evidence to suggest the possibility for that within our society is nil. I don't support Ralph Nader not only because I do not think that man would make a good president, despite whatever his beliefs are, but also because he will never be elected. Ever. Not in this late-capitalist society. That's why I am not voting for a third party candidate. And that's also why I'm voting for Barack Obama.

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I believe that careful attention to history and the progression of capitalism in America leads one to the inevitable conclusion that we have long passed the possibility of popular revolution resulting in the dismantling of this politico-economic system and its replacement by another system.

Multiple indicators lead me to believe that there is no chance left of a revolt (be it through the ballot box or by other means) by the people leading to the dismantling of our late-capitalist society. One is the fact that despite my intense concern over poverty in the United States, the overwhelming majority of all American Citizens enjoy a quality of life that is many times greater than 90% of the rest of the world. That breeds complacency - few want to rock the boat and risk whatever little life they have carved out for themselves.

Add to this the ruthless effectiveness of late-capitalist propaganda, which Americans are inundated with every second of every minute of every day instilling a complete value system of materialism, personal worth defined by acquisition, the dumbing down of the public through sensationalist entertainment distraction. Think about it, if you ask many Americans about their favorite sports team, you'll be amazed at the level of expertise they demonstrate. Ask the same person about politics, and they are dumb as a post - that's not just the individuals fault. That's also mission accomplished by the intensive propaganda used to sustain this late-capitalist society. Remember that the ideal individual of the public in the minds of a corporate-state society such as ours is one that is ignorant and disinterested in the system, but rabidly interesting in all forms of material consumption.

Mission accomplished.

There are many other reasons why we have passed the historical point when a popular revolution was possible. But this system can no longer be changed by that sort of revolution. The system will only be changed when it collapses under the weight of its own excess. That's it. And we're already seeing this process in action. As wealth continues to be consolidated more and more into the hands of a tiny minority while at the same time the number of those slipping into relative poverty continues to increase - the basic structure of the capitalist economy (that depends on the consumption capability of its working class) continues to falter. Add to that the short-sighted "plunderer" attitude of the corporate-government that continues to adopt short-sighted policies across the entire spectrum generating massive wealth today at the expense of economic, environmental and system-wide sustainability and Capitalism is headed exactly where it was predicted to arrive: at its own destruction.

Because I don't believe that it is possible to have a popular "revolution" that changes the system from within, and feel I have strong evidence to back that opinion - I don't enjoy a love affair with radical candidates for President of this late-capitalist system who base their entire hope of getting elected on the notion that somehow there could be some "mass awakening" within the public, even though we have generations upon generations of evidence to suggest the possibility for that within our society is nil. I don't support Ralph Nader not only because I do not think that man would make a good president, despite whatever his beliefs are, but also because he will never be elected. Ever. Not in this late-capitalist society. That's why I am not voting for a third party candidate. And that's also why I'm voting for Barack Obama.

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Man the bush league is out in this one. I like the guy who has a 27-pt classification system for "revolutions". He probably has a category in there for the "revolutionary" Shick Quattro even. These guys are pounding the drums hard in denial.

EDIT: I was banned from DU. Not sure what post it was that got me, but then I was surprised I lasted so long anyway

I believe that careful attention to history and the progression of capitalism in America leads one to the inevitable conclusion that we have long passed the possibility of popular revolution resulting in the dismantling of this politico-economic system and its replacement by another system.

Multiple indicators lead me to believe that there is no chance left of a revolt (be it through the ballot box or by other means) by the people leading to the dismantling of our late-capitalist society. One is the fact that despite my intense concern over poverty in the United States, the overwhelming majority of all American Citizens enjoy a quality of life that is many times greater than 90% of the rest of the world. That breeds complacency - few want to rock the boat and risk whatever little life they have carved out for themselves.

Add to this the ruthless effectiveness of late-capitalist propaganda, which Americans are inundated with every second of every minute of every day instilling a complete value system of materialism, personal worth defined by acquisition, the dumbing down of the public through sensationalist entertainment distraction. Think about it, if you ask many Americans about their favorite sports team, you'll be amazed at the level of expertise they demonstrate. Ask the same person about politics, and they are dumb as a post - that's not just the individuals fault. That's also mission accomplished by the intensive propaganda used to sustain this late-capitalist society. Remember that the ideal individual of the public in the minds of a corporate-state society such as ours is one that is ignorant and disinterested in the system, but rabidly interesting in all forms of material consumption.

Mission accomplished.

There are many other reasons why we have passed the historical point when a popular revolution was possible. But this system can no longer be changed by that sort of revolution. The system will only be changed when it collapses under the weight of its own excess. That's it. And we're already seeing this process in action. As wealth continues to be consolidated more and more into the hands of a tiny minority while at the same time the number of those slipping into relative poverty continues to increase - the basic structure of the capitalist economy (that depends on the consumption capability of its working class) continues to falter. Add to that the short-sighted "plunderer" attitude of the corporate-government that continues to adopt short-sighted policies across the entire spectrum generating massive wealth today at the expense of economic, environmental and system-wide sustainability and Capitalism is headed exactly where it was predicted to arrive: at its own destruction.

Because I don't believe that it is possible to have a popular "revolution" that changes the system from within, and feel I have strong evidence to back that opinion - I don't enjoy a love affair with radical candidates for President of this late-capitalist system who base their entire hope of getting elected on the notion that somehow there could be some "mass awakening" within the public, even though we have generations upon generations of evidence to suggest the possibility for that within our society is nil. I don't support Ralph Nader not only because I do not think that man would make a good president, despite whatever his beliefs are, but also because he will never be elected. Ever. Not in this late-capitalist society. That's why I am not voting for a third party candidate. And that's also why I'm voting for Barack Obama.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... 32x6417300 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6417300)

Man the bush league is out in this one. I like the guy who has a 27-pt classification system for "revolutions". He probably has a category in there for the "revolutionary" Shick Quattro even. These guys are pounding the drums hard in denial.

EDIT: I was banned from DU. Not sure what post it was that got me, but then I was surprised I lasted so long anyway

My best guess is that it was the deleted post which mr unvanguard complained of being insulted by. :roll: Of course, you were giving the Maggotstate a hard time.....then he gets the alert and yer toast. Fuck that pompous asshole.

From what I could tell you were relatively civil, hardly the toothy snarliness to which you are apt. Too fuckin bad, if ya were going down it would have been nice to take a chunk of that turdfondler with ya.

Alas poor Tech-9, I knew him well.

That Unvanguard is a piece of work, Bakunin wouldn't know him, more Nardonik than Nihilist.

I believe that careful attention to history and the progression of capitalism in America leads one to the inevitable conclusion that we have long passed the possibility of popular revolution resulting in the dismantling of this politico-economic system and its replacement by another system.

Multiple indicators lead me to believe that there is no chance left of a revolt (be it through the ballot box or by other means) by the people leading to the dismantling of our late-capitalist society. One is the fact that despite my intense concern over poverty in the United States, the overwhelming majority of all American Citizens enjoy a quality of life that is many times greater than 90% of the rest of the world. That breeds complacency - few want to rock the boat and risk whatever little life they have carved out for themselves.

Add to this the ruthless effectiveness of late-capitalist propaganda, which Americans are inundated with every second of every minute of every day instilling a complete value system of materialism, personal worth defined by acquisition, the dumbing down of the public through sensationalist entertainment distraction. Think about it, if you ask many Americans about their favorite sports team, you'll be amazed at the level of expertise they demonstrate. Ask the same person about politics, and they are dumb as a post - that's not just the individuals fault. That's also mission accomplished by the intensive propaganda used to sustain this late-capitalist society. Remember that the ideal individual of the public in the minds of a corporate-state society such as ours is one that is ignorant and disinterested in the system, but rabidly interesting in all forms of material consumption.

Mission accomplished.

There are many other reasons why we have passed the historical point when a popular revolution was possible. But this system can no longer be changed by that sort of revolution. The system will only be changed when it collapses under the weight of its own excess. That's it. And we're already seeing this process in action. As wealth continues to be consolidated more and more into the hands of a tiny minority while at the same time the number of those slipping into relative poverty continues to increase - the basic structure of the capitalist economy (that depends on the consumption capability of its working class) continues to falter. Add to that the short-sighted "plunderer" attitude of the corporate-government that continues to adopt short-sighted policies across the entire spectrum generating massive wealth today at the expense of economic, environmental and system-wide sustainability and Capitalism is headed exactly where it was predicted to arrive: at its own destruction.

Because I don't believe that it is possible to have a popular "revolution" that changes the system from within, and feel I have strong evidence to back that opinion - I don't enjoy a love affair with radical candidates for President of this late-capitalist system who base their entire hope of getting elected on the notion that somehow there could be some "mass awakening" within the public, even though we have generations upon generations of evidence to suggest the possibility for that within our society is nil. I don't support Ralph Nader not only because I do not think that man would make a good president, despite whatever his beliefs are, but also because he will never be elected. Ever. Not in this late-capitalist society. That's why I am not voting for a third party candidate. And that's also why I'm voting for Barack Obama.

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Man the bush league is out in this one. I like the guy who has a 27-pt classification system for "revolutions". He probably has a category in there for the "revolutionary" Shick Quattro even. These guys are pounding the drums hard in denial.

EDIT: I was banned from DU. Not sure what post it was that got me, but then I was surprised I lasted so long anyway

My best guess is that it was the deleted post which mr unvanguard complained of being insulted by. :roll: Of course, you were giving the Maggotstate a hard time.....then he gets the alert and yer toast. Fuck that pompous asshole.

From what I could tell you were relatively civil, hardly the toothy snarliness to which you are apt. Too fuckin bad, if ya were going down it would have been nice to take a chunk of that turdfondler with ya.

Alas poor Tech-9, I knew him well.

That Unvanguard is a piece of work, Bakunin wouldn't know him, more Nardonik than Nihilist.

To be honest, the Magistrate thing was an afterthought and by the time I thought about going back and going after him I'd already sort of walked myself into a more moderated conversation based on how stupid I thought his whole gimmick was. Plus I don't always look at usernames so I was thinking at first that this poster was just some kinda world class wonk, if I'd realized it was the Magistrate I doubt I woulda even engaged the putz at all.

The thing abou Unvanguard is he doesn't let his own kooky bullshit weigh him down which in another world could be good if it weren't so imbecilic..but he just ignores all of the insane glaring contradictions he's got going on and goes into his Obama spiel yet again. As if he didn't and won't do the same with Kerry or any other Dem of the moment.

Obama's different don't ya see..he's not John Kerry with a tan. He's way *cooler* than John Kerry..

EDIT: I was banned from DU. Not sure what post it was that got me, but then I was surprised I lasted so long anyway

Sad, really... Old Tech 9 was the perfect "guest" for DU. He was edgy without being doctrinaire. It was their fuckin' loss. This insistence on pablum will fry them, eventually. All of them seem to have Tinoire-itis: don't eat the food if it hits the floor for longer than 5 seconds. They will end up in the same place, too. DU made it for its edginess. What harm to let the entitled masses sharpen their claws on a few rejectionists?

Hope you got another one cause you are good at this and getting better... Oh, what did you say?
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That Unvanguard is a piece of work, Bakunin wouldn't know him, more Nardonik than Nihilist.

Actually, Narodnaya Volya ("Peoples Will") was downright heroic. Anybody in the American left counts as ear mites in comparison. Disagreeing with them is one thing. Putting them in the company of philistines is quite another.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/Execuation_Nikolai_Kibalchich.jpg
Pervomartovtsi (Первомартовцы, "Those who did something.")

Is Chlamor T.Ruth2Power?

I saw this thread and was going to link to Chlamor's blog but then it occured to me that it probably was Chlamor posting it

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I'm John The Baathist now

Is Chlamor T.Ruth2Power?

I saw this thread and was going to link to Chlamor's blog but then it occured to me that it probably was Chlamor posting it

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I'm John The Baathist now

Indeed he is.


I'm John The Baathist now

That's funny, always best to start a relationship on the right foot.

That Unvanguard is a piece of work, Bakunin wouldn't know him, more Nardonik than Nihilist.

Actually, Narodnaya Volya ("Peoples Will") was downright heroic. Anybody in the American left counts as ear mites in comparison. Disagreeing with them is one thing. Putting them in the company of philistines is quite another.

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Pervomartovtsi (Первомартовцы, "Those who did something.")

Noted. Were they simply hung or did they get the full treatment(drawn & quartered)? Noticed those posts in the illustration.

This is great..the advanced guard of the same crap math that got trotted out to "prove" there was no election fraud in 04 (or 06).

What a fuckface ("I'm a math professor" he says with a smug sneer..thats like outting yourself as a leper)

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EDIT: holy shit it got even better!!

This is great..the advanced guard of the same crap math that got trotted out to "prove" there was no election fraud in 04 (or 06).

What a fuckface ("I'm a math professor" he says with a smug sneer..thats like outting yourself as a leper)

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EDIT: holy shit it got even better!!

I feel your pain :P , it's been a valley of sorrow for you over there of late, tombstoned and now denied your rightful prey, somehow I suspect you'd have loved to disembowel a math prof with no academic consequences.

The damage control has been damned lame, how could it be otherwise, Obama has hardly given his defenders room to breath before he drops another garment like a jaded stripper who doesn't give a shit anymore.

But not to worry, a veiled threat from Fearless Leader will balance the Tao.

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"Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?"

The one that's bothering me is Madfloridian. Self-righteous fury that dissent is being quashed, that the Dems are stabbing "us" in the back..as though mads has been oblivious to the last 40 (60, 80, 100..) years!! You're just figuring all this out NOW Madfloridian? And what's more you're nevertheless quick to mouth every loyalty invocation.."I don't like people questioning my bonafides as a TRUE Dem..I donate dammit!"

The only way it all makes sense is if Mads is one of those contortions that can kiss her own ass..

The one that's bothering me is Madfloridian. Self-righteous fury that dissent is being quashed, that the Dems are stabbing "us" in the back..as though mads has been oblivious to the last 40 (60, 80, 100..) years!! You're just figuring all this out NOW Madfloridian? And what's more you're nevertheless quick to mouth every loyalty invocation.."I don't like people questioning my bonafides as a TRUE Dem..I donate dammit!"

The only way it all makes sense is if Mads is one of those contortions that can kiss her own ass..

There's lots of that going around, it is both the cumulative frustration of '04 and '06 and the shock of having the scales pulled from their eye in front of a 1K wt halogen. Small matter that they put the scales there in the first place. The level of angst over there is historic, it wasn't this bad in '04, posters who I'd never have expected are reaching for razor blades or smack. Of course a large majority of them will line up in Nov. to glumly pull the donkey tail, but some won't, and by 2012 who knows... Given the median age over there you'd think that many could remember how disaffected many Dems were after 4 years of Carter, it weren't just Ronnie's Hollywood smile. Hell, I actually worked for the abortive Anderson campaign for a couple weeks. That was really strange.

May be that those dudes behind the curtain have fucked up by picking this horse, he's too transparently their creature, whereas if they coulda tolerated Edwards populist rhetoric (only) they mighta kept up the illusion longer, that is if they care.