I think this highlights pretty well what we are trying to sift through at PopI and what the mission is all about.

This thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... 64x3083994 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3083994)

and the attendant article

http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-02-15-1.html

OSC makes a traditionalist case. Yes, I think his view is more than little troubling but it is validly statement and at least deserves to be addressed. Instead you get some numbnuts advising not to buy his books so he doesn't get a cut and not to read them because they might corrupt your mind. Oh, don't see his movie either.

What bullshit, I am tired of these motherfuckers calling people homophobes. They are doing more to set back gay rights (and everything else) than anyone.

Amazing, isn't it?

I don't buy or read him, but that's because I don't think he's worth the time I'd spend.

I don't buy or read him, but that's because I don't think he's worth the time I'd spend.

I bought Ender's Game at the school book fair once and tore through that and some of this other stuff in pretty short order. I definitely suggest you not read it because the patriarchical stuff found in all of his work..well, if you read his Defense of Marriage thing there you probably know what I mean

Funny thing is, the teachers thought I should buy a Micheal Jordan poster instead.

I bought Ender's Game at the school book fair once and tore through that and some of this other stuff in pretty short order. I definitely suggest you not read it because the patriarchical stuff found in all of his work..well, if you read his Defense of Marriage thing there you probably know what I mean
I read his defense of marriage and I didn't find it to be fanatical or hateful or homophobic.

I bought Ender's Game at the school book fair once and tore through that and some of this other stuff in pretty short order. I definitely suggest you not read it because the patriarchical stuff found in all of his work..well, if you read his Defense of Marriage thing there you probably know what I mean
I read his defense of marriage and I didn't find it to be fanatical or hateful or homophobic.

No, I don't think it was any of those things unless you really read into stuff along the edges, I was talking about all the patriarchal obsessing he does in pretty much all of his works.

EDIT: The importance of the male father/authority figure is a huge theme is all of his books..or all of them I've read anyway.

I first encountered Card in his Speaker for the Dead novel, which I liked very much. Very interesting biological take in that one. Ender's was interesting, the militarism I considered tollerable given context. The last book of his that I liked was the first Alvin Maker novel, tried a few subsequent works and found them lacking. I'd stopped reading his work before word got out that he was a rw ideolouge.

As has been said, he has an undelying theme of patriarchy and belief in the Great Man in his work. When reading fiction one can be aware of an author's tendancies and still read with interests and perhaps enjoyment without adopting the author's ideology. I greatly enjoyed CS Lewis's Peralandra series but it didn't persuade me to run out to church. The quality of the work is paramount, thus I've never been able to finish any Ian Rand, L Ron Hubbard or Harry Turtledove.