I just bought a copy of Paul Hawken's The Ecology of Commerce. If you don't know who he is, google for him (he's a multimillionaire business entrepreneur, for one thing). Read especially his account of how the cops treated people in Seattle.

Here's one of the first statements in the book: "commerce and sustainability [are] antithetical by design, not by intention".

I just bought a copy of Paul Hawken's The Ecology of Commerce. If you don't know who he is, google for him (he's a multimillionaire business entrepreneur, for one thing). Read especially his account of how the cops treated people in Seattle.

Here's one of the first statements in the book: "commerce and sustainability [are] antithetical by design, not by intention".

'resources'?

'resources'?

I was thinking of any sort of recommendation, pointer, text, etc. Things that might come in handy. I admit I didn't think it through exhaustively :)

'resources'?

I was thinking of any sort of recommendation, pointer, text, etc. Things that might come in handy. I admit I didn't think it through exhaustively :)

This goes to other discussions we've been having about content mgt apps doesn't it?

'resources'?

I was thinking of any sort of recommendation, pointer, text, etc. Things that might come in handy. I admit I didn't think it through exhaustively :)

This goes to other discussions we've been having about content mgt apps doesn't it?
It could, yes. I'm not sure that it must, but it certainly could. (can you tell I'm wary of getting myself into the middle of that :lol:)

and picked up The Ecology of Commerce last night at the library. Just read to intro so far, says a lot of the right things but the thing that stuck me(only 10 pages into the book) so far is that the author talks about business but hasn't(thus far) mentioned capitalism. Guess I'll have to read the rest, huh? :roll:

and picked up The Ecology of Commerce last night at the library. Just read to intro so far, says a lot of the right things but the thing that stuck me(only 10 pages into the book) so far is that the author talks about business but hasn't(thus far) mentioned capitalism. Guess I'll have to read the rest, huh? :roll:

I have not read it, but doubt he ever will. So-called sustainable business not about confessing the fraud of an ever growing economy or any of those kinds of really bottom line issues, pardon the snarky pun.

and picked up The Ecology of Commerce last night at the library. Just read to intro so far, says a lot of the right things but the thing that stuck me(only 10 pages into the book) so far is that the author talks about business but hasn't(thus far) mentioned capitalism. Guess I'll have to read the rest, huh? :roll:

I have not read it, but doubt he ever will. So-called sustainable business not about confessing the fraud of an ever growing economy or any of those kinds of really bottom line issues, pardon the snarky pun.

Well yeah, pretty much like you said. A whole shopping list of the faults of the current system, both on social and environmental grounds. A shitload of bandaids. But just like modern medicine, no addressing the root cause. Capitalism is a given, never questioned. While there are some good micro-fixes presented that could be useful over all Hawken's prescription is woefully inadequate. He would attack the problem with a first aid kit, I'd use a sawzall.

Capitalism is a given, never questioned.
Are you sure? I've not finished it yet, but I read commerce being taken as read, not Capitalism. What'd I miss?

Capitalism is a given, never questioned.
Are you sure? I've not finished it yet, but I read commerce being taken as read, not Capitalism. What'd I miss?

I did read commerce as capitalism, given that Hawken never addresses capitalism at all I have to assume that he's Ok with it and assumes that commerce is capitalism, as so many do. All is discussed without considering the driving force behind the inexhortable drive for growth, it seems to be a given that profits must be delivered. Perhaps I missed something, but I think not. Hell of a sight better than greenwash but still half measures, imho.