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chlamor
03-27-2009, 11:46 AM
Why Is a Progressive Think Tank Telling Obama to Escalate the War in Afghanistan?

By Tom Hayden, Huffington Post. Posted March 27, 2009.

It is deeply disappointing that the Center for American Progress has issued a call for a 10-year war in Afghanistan.

The Center for American Progress has positioned itself as a "progressive" Washington think tank, especially suited to channel new thinking and expertise into the Obama administration. It therefore is deeply disappointing that CAP has issued a call for a ten-year war in Afghanistan, including an immediate military escalation, just as President Obama prepares to unveil his Afghanistan/Pakistan policies to the American public and NATO this week.

It is likely that Obama will follow most of CAP's strategic advice, assuming the think tank to be the progressive wing of what's possible within the Beltway.

That means a long counter-insurgency war ahead, with everything from massive incarcerations and detention to Predator strikes that amass increasing civilian casualties. CAP begins by calling on the president to meet the request of his commander in Afghanistan for another 15,000 troops in addition to the 17,000 Obama already has committed, which would bring the near-term US total to 70,000. To pay for these additional troops, CAP proposes redirecting $25 billion annually from combat in Iraq to Afghanistan. In addition, CAP favors up to $5 billion annually for diplomatic and economic assistance, also from a redirection of Iraq spending.

Even assuming the economic assistance reaches villages instead of corrupt middlemen, CAP's primary emphasis is a military one, sending larger numbers of American troops on a counterinsurgency mission in southern and eastern Afghanistan, as well as the outskirts of Kabul. Make no mistake, the American mission will be to fight, kill and capture, and, is intended to leave NATO allies in secondary training roles. The CAP proposal seems to flesh out the Obama strategy already described in a New York Times January 28 headline, "Aides Say Obama's Afghan Aims Elevate War Over Development." The CAP report calculates that in FY 2009, "the ration of funding for military forces versus non-military international engagement is 18 to 1."

There is no exit strategy contemplated in the CAP proposal, although the president apparently is been asking for one behind the scenes. Nor is there any projected cap on future escalation The CAP timeline, front-loaded with military force, is as fanciful about Afghanistan/Pakistan as the neo-conservatives were towards Iraq in the Nineties:

* In the next 18 months, a combat/counterinsurgency push to prevent Afghanistan from being a "safe haven for terrorist and extremist groups with a global reach"; prevent the destabilization of Pakistan by creating "a stable civilian government committed to working toward the elimination of terrorist safe havens" there.
* In three to five years, create a "viable Afghan economy", curb the poppy trade, promote democracy and human rights, and resolve regional tensions.
* In ten years, build an Afghan state that can defend itself, and "prepare for full military withdrawal."

As a practical matter, all that is certain is that there will be blood. When the problem is a nail, reach for the hammer. But military occupation, particularly a surge of US troops into the Pashtun region in southern Afghanistan and Pakistan, is the surest way to inflame nationalist resistance and greater support for the Taliban. President Hamid Karzai said last December that "the coalition went around Afghan villages, burst into people's homes and has been committing extraditional killings in our country." A United Nations investigator made the same point in 2008, accusing the CIA and Special Forces "of conducting nighttime raids and killing civilians in Afghanistan with impunity." Pakistan's prime minister said the same years that "if America wants to see itself clean of terrorists, we also want that our villages and towns should not be bombed." As a January 2009 report by the Carnegie Endowment concluded, "the only meaningful way to halt the insurgency's momentum is to start withdrawing troops. The presence of foreign troops is the most important element driving the resurgence of the Taliban."

CAP takes no notice of the torture and detention without human rights protections at Kabul's Bagram prison, now undergoing massive expansion. Obama's team already says his anti-torture executive order does not cover the hundreds detained in Afghanistan, so it is likely that the American forces will launch a massive "preventive incarceration" campaign in the months ahead. CAP's silence on this matter is especially disturbing since the think tank expressed deep concern over the same policies in Iraq.

Many Americans are confused, but it is not necessary to have a West Point or Ivy League degree to understand the heart of the matter. Whether it is the street of LA or the alleys of Kabul, law-and-order always comes first along with promises of jobs and development "later", a later that gradually becomes never. In Afghanistan and Pakistan, the levels of suffering are among the most extreme in the world, and from suffering, from having nothing to live for, comes the will to die for a cause.

United Nations recent development data places Afghanistan 173rd out of 178 countries; Pakistan is 136th. According to such estimates, about sixty percent of children in the Pashtun areas are "moderately" or "severely" stunted. In Afghanistan as a whole, such children will be spared miserable lives because the country has the highest infant mortality rate in the world. No more need be said.

As to the threat from al Qaeda, it is understandable that the president would define himself as an aggressive commander-in-chief. But he must wonder if our killing so many civilians and stunting so many children won't result in yet another generation dying to hate us. He must wonder if he is squandering the good will of the world, including the Muslim world, by sending more Americans to kill and die in a quagmire. He must recognize that he is putting his eight-year presidency on the line.

He must wonder too, as he approaches his meetings in Europe, why NATO is occupying countries so far from its base in the mainly-white Western world. It is hard to avoid the hint that the white man's burden is falling on the shoulders of our first African-American president. The only solution to the Afghanistan/Pakistan quagmires has to be a regional one, as argued forcefully by Tariq Ali in his recent book, as well as by Barnett Rubin and Ahmed Rashid, but NATO is the stranger in the neighborhood. CAP recognizes this critical problem, as does Hillary Clinton who will meet the regional players at the Hague next week. The problem is that NATO, burdened with imperial assumptions, would like China, Russia, and the Central Asian Republics constituting the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, to be satellite parties to the Western occupation of Afghanistan/Pakistan. But the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, while having serious stakes in quelling instability in the region, calls on the US and NATO to go home.

Can the burden be sustained politically and economically for ten years more? Already Canada and the Netherlands have set timelines for withdrawing their forces, assigned now to the most violent regions of southern Afghanistan. Germany may be the next to balk. And with the American economy in shambles, can anyone envision a war whose costs will exceed one trillion dollars a decade from now? Only the neo-conse

rvatives, if Iraq is any example, which makes it tragic that CAP has aligned itself with their strategy of the "long war."

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/133612/why_is_a_progressive_think_tank_telling_obama_to_escalate_the_war_in_afghanistan/?page=entire

chlamor
03-27-2009, 11:47 AM
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Why is Hayden surprised and What's a "Progressive" Anyway?
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Posted by: chlamor on Mar 27, 2009 7:35 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I know of mostly white middle to upper middle class whites who smugly claim to be such a thing.

What exactly is this creature?

Is this beast anti-war?TM- with no details on exactly what that means?

Is this the critter that oh so happily refers to the local CSA as "our farm" and feels oh so fuzzy pickin' up the food from the barn with their lily-white well-manicured fingers?

Is this critter for equal pay in the savage days of green consumer capital exploitation?

Is this the critter in the well wrinkled power shirt and khaki shorts reading Paul Hawken's latest tract on making Capital work for the planet?

So many questions, so little time.

Hey progressive you know who you are. You are the status quo. Quit lying.

While some of us here know that modern-day liberalism, was founded to be a capitalist-friendly "third way" between socialism,and conservatism, most people do not.If they did, and truly understood this history,they would not waste all of their time and effort into trying to make "progressives",and The Democratic Party in particular, into the socialists they might want them to be.

All too often "progressive" has come to mean someone who will offer unconditional support to The Democratic Party no matter what.

A "progressive" is someone who cannot admit to the systemic failure of the society. Through this stubborn blindness, they reveal their own fundamental loyalty to the social system as a whole. The solution to the "anti-democratic" turn in American politics is not to question its foundations but to proscribe "more democracy" or "real democracy", without evaluating for a minute whether the ""turn" is really an aberration. In economics, a "progressive" is one who blames an excess of greed, a deficiency of regulation, or the corruption of the state rather than the normal operation of capitalism. In this way, "progressives" are identical to Libertarians who, in the face of insurmountable evidence, continue to insist that it is "too little" and not too much "free enterprise" which is the problem. We need a capitalism based on good intentions says the, one based on a strengthening of the "individual" claims the next, and one purged of racial corruption declares the last. Fixing capitalism is the highest and in fact the only slogan of all of the above, and this in the most trivial and unhistorical way possible. Those are the last and the only words of this brand of "radical" criticism which is actually a radical support for the society as it exists... if only that society could be "allowed" to achieve its "true" nature.

blindpig
03-27-2009, 01:09 PM
Scrolling through the comments you'll find this combination of remarks:



Why is Hayden surprised and What's a "Progressive" Anyway?
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Posted by: chlamor on Mar 27, 2009 7:35 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I know of mostly white middle to upper middle class whites who smugly claim to be such a thing.

What exactly is this creature?

Is this beast anti-war?TM- with no details on exactly what that means?

Is this the critter that oh so happily refers to the local CSA as "our farm" and feels oh so fuzzy pickin' up the food from the barn with their lily-white well-manicured fingers?

Is this critter for equal pay in the savage days of green consumer capital exploitation?

Is this the critter in the well wrinkled power shirt and khaki shorts reading Paul Hawken's latest tract on making Capital work for the planet?

So many questions, so little time.

Hey progressive you know who you are. You are the status quo. Quit lying.

While some of us here know that modern-day liberalism, was founded to be a capitalist-friendly "third way" between socialism,and conservatism, most people do not.If they did, and truly understood this history,they would not waste all of their time and effort into trying to make "progressives",and The Democratic Party in particular, into the socialists they might want them to be.

All too often "progressive" has come to mean someone who will offer unconditional support to The Democratic Party no matter what.

A "progressive" is someone who cannot admit to the systemic failure of the society. Through this stubborn blindness, they reveal their own fundamental loyalty to the social system as a whole. The solution to the "anti-democratic" turn in American politics is not to question its foundations but to proscribe "more democracy" or "real democracy", without evaluating for a minute whether the ""turn" is really an aberration. In economics, a "progressive" is one who blames an excess of greed, a deficiency of regulation, or the corruption of the state rather than the normal operation of capitalism. In this way, "progressives" are identical to Libertarians who, in the face of insurmountable evidence, continue to insist that it is "too little" and not too much "free enterprise" which is the problem. We need a capitalism based on good intentions says the, one based on a strengthening of the "individual" claims the next, and one purged of racial corruption declares the last. Fixing capitalism is the highest and in fact the only slogan of all of the above, and this in the most trivial and unhistorical way possible. Those are the last and the only words of this brand of "radical" criticism which is actually a radical support for the society as it exists... if only that society could be "allowed" to achieve its "true" nature.


My thoughts exactly upon reading that. Tom, Tom, you're such a tool. You sold yer ass but just can't remember.

Two Americas
03-27-2009, 02:25 PM
Great post there chlamor.

I know that Hayden is a hero to a lot of people, but from the time he first showed up at meetings in Detroit back in the day I saw him as a self-promoter and ruling class wannabe.

He was one of a handful of people who started showing up at all of the meetings, and aggressively and loudly dominating them. They were amazingly driven and vicious. Sam Brown and John Kerry are two other names that come to mind. The successfully split the anti-war movement away from the Civil Rights and Labor movements and hippified it. They opened the door for a tidal wave of upscale suburbanites to pour into the movement. Their attitude was "now the smart and successful people are here to run things. Now we will get things done." I was bitterly opposed to them and there were many loud battles at the meetings. There was resistance to them because they were elbowing women and people of color and blue collar people out of power in the organizations. There were hot discussions about their misogyny, I remember. Ten years later, those guys had all parlayed their activism into comfy positions and political careers, and the movement was left in a heap of smoking ruins.

It came to a head in the meetings planning the demonstrations in Chicago, and I resigned and walked out a week before the convention. Those who wanted chaos and a circus won out, and those of us who wanted discipline and organization and effective tactics were purged and discredited. The movement collapsed in Detroit not long after.

After that, we had "finding your own truth within yourself" - the beginning of the New Age crap - and the "back to the land and live simply" stuff - the origins of the organic and other feel-good liberal causes - and the "be the change you want to see" lifestyle junk, and the "doing little personal things that are good to gradually change society" thinking - the start of the "baby steps" and "work within the system" ideas.

But what do I know? They were the "winners" and I was a "loser" and who listens to losers?


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blindpig
03-27-2009, 03:51 PM
Great post there chlamor.

I know that Hayden is a hero to a lot of people, but from the time he first showed up at meetings in Detroit back in the day I saw him as a self-promoter and ruling class wannabe.

He was one of a handful of people who started showing up at all of the meetings, and aggressively and loudly dominating them. They were amazingly driven and vicious. Sam Brown and John Kerry are two other names that come to mind. The successfully split the anti-war movement away from the Civil Rights and Labor movements and hippified it. They opened the door for a tidal wave of upscale suburbanites to pour into the movement. Their attitude was "now the smart and successful people are here to run things. Now we will get things done." I was bitterly opposed to them and there were many loud battles at the meetings. There was resistance to them because they were elbowing women and people of color and blue collar people out of power in the organizations. There were hot discussions about their misogyny, I remember. Ten years later, those guys had all parlayed their activism into comfy positions and political careers, and the movement was left in a heap of smoking ruins.

It came to a head in the meetings planning the demonstrations in Chicago, and I resigned and walked out a week before the convention. Those who wanted chaos and a circus won out, and those of us who wanted discipline and organization and effective tactics were purged and discredited. The movement collapsed in Detroit not long after.

After that, we had "finding your own truth within yourself" - the beginning of the New Age crap - and the "back to the land and live simply" stuff - the origins of the organic and other feel-good liberal causes - and the "be the change you want to see" lifestyle junk, and the "doing little personal things that are good to gradually change society" thinking - the start of the "baby steps" and "work within the system" ideas.

But what do I know? They were the "winners" and I was a "loser" and who listens to losers?


...


Not wanting to change the subject but what do you think of Abbie Hoffman and the Yippies? I can see where there would be a case for them being agent provocateurs but I don't know enough. They were heros to me when I was in highschool but I was of course a dumb kid. Even hitched down to their HQ in DC once to get flyers and such.

Two Americas
03-27-2009, 04:17 PM
Not wanting to change the subject but what do you think of Abbie Hoffman and the Yippies? I can see where there would be a case for them being agent provocateurs but I don't know enough. They were heros to me when I was in highschool but I was of course a dumb kid. Even hitched down to their HQ in DC once to get flyers and such.


Don't know what to think of Rubin and Hoffman. At the time I saw it all as spoiled rich white kids hijacking the movement and turning it into a charade. The movement became all about sex, drugs, and rock and roll from then on.

A buddy and I drove to New York and got drunk for a couple of weeks. Then I went back to Detroit to work in the plant, got chased around by the FBI a little, got drunk some more, and then ran off to Europe. The movement was dead.

Kid of the Black Hole
03-27-2009, 05:02 PM
Not wanting to change the subject but what do you think of Abbie Hoffman and the Yippies? I can see where there would be a case for them being agent provocateurs but I don't know enough. They were heros to me when I was in highschool but I was of course a dumb kid. Even hitched down to their HQ in DC once to get flyers and such.


Don't know what to think of Rubin and Hoffman. At the time I saw it all as spoiled rich white kids hijacking the movement and turning it into a charade. The movement became all about sex, drugs, and rock and roll from then on.

A buddy and I drove to New York and got drunk for a couple of weeks. Then I went back to Detroit to work in the plant, got chased around by the FBI a little, got drunk some more, and then ran off to Europe. The movement was dead.


Can't really address the question, but some of the stuff they came up with was pretty clever

choppedliver
03-27-2009, 06:16 PM
Not wanting to change the subject but what do you think of Abbie Hoffman and the Yippies? I can see where there would be a case for them being agent provocateurs but I don't know enough. They were heros to me when I was in highschool but I was of course a dumb kid. Even hitched down to their HQ in DC once to get flyers and such.


Don't know what to think of Rubin and Hoffman. At the time I saw it all as spoiled rich white kids hijacking the movement and turning it into a charade. The movement became all about sex, drugs, and rock and roll from then on.

A buddy and I drove to New York and got drunk for a couple of weeks. Then I went back to Detroit to work in the plant, got chased around by the FBI a little, got drunk some more, and then ran off to Europe. The movement was dead.


Can't really address the question, but some of the stuff they came up with was pretty clever


Honestly, the partner of a friend of mine used to hang out with Abbie Hoffman, was a friend of a sort. Jerry Ruben, I think, according to the same source, may well have been a plant? I'll ask...sophisticated gossip, hey?

TBF
03-27-2009, 07:19 PM
A buddy and I drove to New York and got drunk for a couple of weeks. Then I went back to Detroit to work in the plant, got chased around by the FBI a little, got drunk some more, and then ran off to Europe. The movement was dead.

There's gotta be at least a few good stories in here somewhere.

Two Americas
03-27-2009, 08:46 PM
Honestly, the partner of a friend of mine used to hang out with Abbie Hoffman, was a friend of a sort. Jerry Ruben, I think, according to the same source, may well have been a plant? I'll ask...sophisticated gossip, hey?


It always seemed off to me. People grandstanding, becoming self-made folk heroes.

Spring of '68. There were quite a few of us who were suspicious of these newcomers - they were unlike anything we had seen before. Loud and aggressive. I remember thinking WTF? In an instant everything changed. They were always urging people to get "more radical" - which is a tip off. They would just rush the podium and grab the microphone, start arguments everywhere and create total chaos. They never bothered to meet anyone or get to know anyone. From the moment they walked through the door they were loud and aggressive and bossy. Everyone assumed that someone else must know who they are. They isolated and discredited and jeered the existing leaders out of the meetings.

vampire squid
03-27-2009, 09:26 PM
so did they say what issues they wanted to get 'more radical' about or did they just flap around like headless chickens or what?

Two Americas
03-27-2009, 09:59 PM
so did they say what issues they wanted to get 'more radical' about or did they just flap around like headless chickens or what?


Just the war and the draft. That was to be seen as the "priority" and everything else "had to wait."