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Mary TF
10-14-2007, 09:08 AM
I don't know what the total number is for assholes, and maybe she's already here, but she's always been an asshole in my book, and this artlcle states far better than I could why:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18551.htm

excert below (after edit), I chose the last part of the essay rather than the opening, anyway asshole extrordinaire!!

Rand's credo is summed up by the title of a collection of her essays, The Virtue of Selfishness, which have circulated in an almost samizdat fashion among enthusiasts of capitalism red in tooth and claw.

It attracted the devotion of America's top corporate executives, who would only speak of its impact behind closed doors. A staple read of undergraduate business schools, the book provided comfort to each generation of entrepreneurs by telling them that there is no conflict between private ambition and public benefit.

One of the characters in Atlas Shrugged, summarises her philosophy of Objectivism with the following oath: "I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another human being, or ask another human being to live for mine."

Her novels continue to inspire visceral feelings of worship and disgust among readers. Reviewing the newly published memoir of her acolyte Greenspan, the conservative writer Andrew Ferguson complains in The Weekly Standard that "her creepy philosophy of Objectivism, placing the self at the centre of the moral universe, still is embraced by tens of thousands of pimply teenage boys in the dreamy moments between fits of social insecurity and furious bouts of masturbation."

One way or another Rand's ode to American individualism has made her one of the towering figures of US political thought in the late 20th century.

By rejecting altruism and embracing selfishness she rejected the Judaeo-Christian underpinning of the religious right. The only moral obligation a person had was to his or her own happiness. That meant capitalism should be given a free rein with an unregulated market economy.

She pushed America's cult of individualism into uncharted waters where ruthless self-interest and disdain for poorer members of society were the guiding principles.

Her admirers partly credit her revived appeal to an absence of ideas coming from the US left: "Today's left doesn't have anything positive to offer to young people," says Yaron Brook, director of the Ayn Rand Institute. "When they were socialists, there was at least something they were fighting for, and they believed in a right and a wrong. Today's leftist agenda is negative and nihilistic – focused on stopping industrialisation, capitalism and even Western civilisation. But young people want positive values. That's why religion is so strong today, because many view it as the only thing that promises a brighter future.

"Ayn Rand is the only voice that offers a secular absolutist morality with a positive vision and agenda, for individuals and for society as a whole."

The coming presidential election will reveal the extent to which ordinary poor Americans will proudly vote themselves out of jobs, off the land and ensure that their children can never afford to go to university or afford health care. It happened in the last two presidential elections, and the Ayn Rand Institute is banking that it will happen again.

PPLE
10-14-2007, 09:53 AM
By rejecting altruism and embracing selfishness she rejected the Judaeo-Christian underpinning of the religious right. The only moral obligation a person had was to his or her own happiness. That meant capitalism should be given a free rein with an unregulated market economy.

She pushed America's cult of individualism into uncharted waters where ruthless self-interest and disdain for poorer members of society were the guiding principles.

Her admirers partly credit her revived appeal to an absence of ideas coming from the US left: "Today's left doesn't have anything positive to offer to young people," says Yaron Brook, director of the Ayn Rand Institute. "When they were socialists, there was at least something they were fighting for, and they believed in a right and a wrong. Today's leftist agenda is negative and nihilistic – focused on stopping industrialisation, capitalism and even Western civilisation. But young people want positive values. That's why religion is so strong today, because many view it as the only thing that promises a brighter future.

"Ayn Rand is the only voice that offers a secular absolutist morality with a positive vision and agenda, for individuals and for society as a whole."

Our member Anaxarchos relayed that he would be away from the board a few days but that he intended to post on exactly this person. Perhaps we can simple get started here and retitle this original post appropriately. What is this one y'all, 22?

I read The Fountainhead some years back and of course the easy short one, Anthem. Like most of the shit I was assigned in skool, I really couldn't tell you a thing about Anthem. It was clear by 5th grade that whatever they would teach me in school would be some combination of mind numbingly boring & mind bendingly only part (at best) of any story.

The Foutainhead though I do have some recollection of as it was a free will choice. As a young non-political person at the time, the book had a different effect on me than the intended one.

What I came away with was this juxtaposition of altruism and selfishness, ergo I get a selfish pleasure from being altruistic. That's fine fer me I guess, but it never occurred to me at the time what the ramifications of neither being pleased by nor practicing altruism meant in others. In fact, that is only just coming clear now.

Mary TF
10-14-2007, 12:27 PM
What I came away with was this juxtaposition of altruism and selfishness, ergo I get a selfish pleasure from being altruistic. That's fine fer me I guess, but it never occurred to me at the time what the ramifications of neither being pleased by nor practicing altruism meant in others. In fact, that is only just coming clear now.

I remember a definition of joy which differentiated it from happiness: paraphrased "Happiness comes from something good happening to you. Joy comes from making another happy."

In other words, joy can possibly only come from altruism. If one is being altruistic in order to gain joy, is it selfish? If its selfish does it negate the good done? or is it still altruism?

Can anyone here convolute this more??

Anyway if you'd like to retitle this with the proper number, its more than fine with me!

Kid of the Black Hole
10-14-2007, 04:26 PM
I've read bits of Rand, and I really object to calling her a towering literay figure. That gets thrown around a lot -- that independent of her bullshit 'philosopy' she was also an accomplished writer. That claim comes from the many posers who *pretend* they've read her books is my own guess.

Since I can't believe anyone has actually read that shit.


The Virtue of Selfishness, which have circulated in an almost samizdat fashion among enthusiasts of capitalism red in tooth and claw.

I can't tell if that is meant as irony or sarcsam. I laughed, I cried.

(OK not really)

Mary TF
10-14-2007, 06:15 PM
Well, I've read her shit, and she's just what the article said, an advocate for herself and nothing more, my definition of an asshole! and as Greenspan worshipped her it gives her title of asshole further advocacy.

blindpig
12-08-2007, 11:41 AM
..... When Atlas Shrugged was negatively reviewed as an apology for totalitarianism in the New York Times, Mr Greenspan wrote a letter to the paper, which in retrospect looks like an application for the job that would eventually make him one of the most powerful figures in the world.At the time Mr Greenspan embraced the Rand dogma, he favoured removing all safety nets from the US economy and bringing back the Gold Standard.

To the editor:

Atlas Shrugged is a celebration of life and happiness. Justice is unrelenting. Creative individuals and undeviating purpose and rationality achieve joy and fulfillment. Parasites who persistently avoid either purpose or reason perish as they should,

Alan Greenspan

New York



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