Do you think a politician of any race who acted the same way could expect a different result? Therein lies the disproof of the argument of instiitutional racism. Obama's being judged on what he does and says, not on the colour of his skin.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, but all I can really see in the argument of institutional racism is a restatement of the rather obvious idea that certain behaviours bring certain results. Black people or white people can engage in these behaviours, and succeed or fail thereby. The causes of the success or failure are the behaviours shown, not the race of the actors.


Awesome. Thanks for beating me to it, Weasel. All this is such crap. I see a bunch of talking points used by "real racists" in this very article.

Its all so silly. What is the point of all the race posts? Are you all (Chlamor Pop Indy and now American Dream) trying to incite a racial war up here? What's the point? Why don't you guys go to Stormfront and fight on the front lines with all your facts? Because they are so well placed up here and all.....being a huge community of (racists) like we are...... Rolling Eyes Whatever. Seriously contribute something that is not skewed to the left as far as a GW speech is to the right, and maybe I can respect your positions and possibly come to a shift in paradigm. I am telling you that spouting this white only privelidge is utter nonsense in 2007. Not every white person is as you describe, and I take extreme offense at you telling me they are. How dare you?

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Deconstructing "Racism"

The arguments that have sprung up recently under the banner of 'racism' seem to me to be confusing two very different things - racial discrimination and social advantage.

If social prestige were based on race, you wouldn't see people such as Condoleeza Rice, Barack Obama, or Colin Powell succeed. Nor, on the other hand would you see white people occupying positions politically and socially inferior to those of blacks. How many black politicans and businessmen can you think of offhand? I promise you that each of them has white subordinates. Can you imagine such a situation occurring in a truly racist society, such as the antebellum South? It's obvious then that what keeps so many black people in low social positions is something other than racial discrimination.

I'd argue that the answer to how groups succeed or fail is found in terms of how closely those groups identify with, and espouse the values of, the dominant culture. When was the last time that you saw a Deadhead or a Juggalo in a position of power? Not just someone who likes the music, but a true, serious member of that culture? I can't think of any, offhand. These are groups that are strongly at variance with the dominant culture. Most of the wealth belongs to the dominant culture, and prestige and power don't exist outside of it, except in very localized instances. Cynthia McKinney or Bobby Rush might be figures of prestige to their own electorate, but they're clowns dressed as politicians to the majority of Americans, and command about as much respect.

What keeps the majority of black Americans poor and powerless is the insistence on maintaining a black culture which is separate from and hostile to the mainstream. Until that dies away, you won't see any fundamental changes in the situation.

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Racism abounds through out the world. Transcends skin color much the same as love. I think its human nature, but it doesn't make it right. Please understand I am no way supporting racism. At least my definition of it. Yours is something far more encompassing. But I have to point out that there is just as much injustice caused by their presence. Technically if they weren't here they wouldn't be able to be the victims in the case of ILLEGAL immigrants....again why don't they fight for revolution in their own country? You say there is injustice ONLY for some and that is not true, this country is an equal opportunity discriminator, trust me. Especially here in Texas. As a white boy I can only work certain places...they simply won't hire a "bullio" which there own racial epithet for me. My wife even being hispanic, earns a higher rate if she can speak spanish fluently, regardless of the quality of her english, typing, or other skills. There is discrimination for everyone. There are certain parts of town where I cannot order food unless I am a fluent spanish speaker. Thank god I don't frequent fast food joints. There are neighborhoods where I "cannot go". DOn't paint me as the bad guy here. I am not the one keeping anyone forcibly out of my neighborhood by threat of violence or fear of bodily harm. Anyone is welcome, but I expect the same common courtesies like if you hit my car then you better have insurance and not flee the scene like a crook scared of the police. This has happened 4 times now in the past 3 years. ALways by a brown skinned person who "No speaka de english" Sorry Chlamor, I call it like I see it.


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"The wicked flee when no man pursueth."

Its all so silly. What is the point of all the race posts? Are you all (Chlamor Pop Indy and now American Dream) trying to incite a racial war up here? What's the point?

Right. Cuz there hasn't been a race war going on for centuries. Yeah, it's really fucking "silly".

Who are these people? Do they live under a rock?

Moving out of a parochial town in Florida to the cosmopolitan mecca of New York City, I did not experience the radical shift in racial awareness that I had expected. Contending with the racial bias of liberals proved to be more difficult because these urban sophisticates sheathed themselves in worldliness and benevolence rather than outright ignorance. Critiques of whiteness slid off their backs as though they were protected by a Teflon body armor. And so I offer the following list of misunderstandings that many white liberals have about race because I think they can do better -- and because we need to rethink our understanding of race and its relationship to U.S. democracy. The commentary does not encompass all white liberals nor does it solely apply to white people. But the frequency with which I encounter these misunderstandings makes the posture of liberal enlightenment seem halfway farcical and all the more crucial to confront. A critique of whiteness should extend beyond electoral politics and cut through every "issue" area because it's not just about how we vote, but rather about who we are.

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Contemporary images suggest that white supremacy is a white man driving a pickup with a noose trailing from the back and a Confederate flag tattooed on his arm. Rather, it is simply the idea that white people, neighborhoods, concerns, beauty and self-worth are more important then nonwhite ones.

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Too often, "not racist" is equated with not conservative and not Southern; by thinking in binaries, liberals excuse themselves from criticism by pointing to the greater evil. Rush Limbaugh is really just an overly medicated red herring to the privileges of white liberals. The liberal establishment -- everyone from the Democratic Party to Daily Kos -- fails the anti-racism test by merely paying lip service to racial oppression while maintaining a predominantly white constituency. They remain complicit with the belief that white men know better and therefore should talk louder and much more often.

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Boutique multiculturalism is most obviously inappropriate when it happens to domestic people of color, in the form of "ghetto fabulous" parties, where white college students -- or government officials -- don their favorite imitation of blackface. But the most uncriticized suspects are hipsters, hippies or other variants of alterna-whiteness. Their faddish diets often consist of keffiyehs (a symbol of Arab solidarity), dreadlocks (originally from Rastafarianism and black self-empowerment in Jamaica) and trips to Asia or Latin America -- all of which are part of their post-modern, post-cultural and post-political philosophy, where discrete cultures no longer exist, and everything is fair game. The consumer gains a "cool" credibility and some self-improvement, -discovery or -awareness.

It should be noted that these same elitists have "white trash parties".

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A good article with very illuminating commentary.