View Full Version : Will you vote to re-elect any Senator who votes to confirm Kagan, advocate for torture and permanent detention?
Genius
05-10-2010, 10:31 AM
Obama's pick wants to reverse the moderate stances of Republican Justice Stevens as she feels he's too lberal.
Dhalgren
05-12-2010, 01:14 PM
Voting is of use only as a tactic in relation to a mass movement. When we get a mass movement and that movement requires voting for a tactical purpose, I will vote as necessary. Until then, voting is for suckers, period...
runs with scissors
05-13-2010, 01:23 PM
Worth repeating:
When we get a mass movement and that movement requires voting for a tactical purpose, I will vote as necessary. Until then, voting is for suckers, period...
Yep.
and look how that turned out. War, torture, and the asshole even went back on polar bears after his smarmy commercial saying he'd protect them. I'm not voting anymore. There are more important things to do.
Dhalgren
05-14-2010, 12:04 PM
You can't know how sweet it felt to vote for the one person Democrats hate more than Bush...it still makes me grin...
meganmonkey
05-14-2010, 12:50 PM
I felt really weird about that, having always done so before just on principle, even though I'd write-in nonsense half the time. I had planned to at least go to the polls and write in "No Confidence" or some such thing for Pres, and weigh in on a couple local elections, but I couldn't seem to drag my sorry ass the 4 blocks to the polling place.
No regrets.
I voted Nader in 2000. In 2004 I actually got sucked into AnybodyButBush fever and voted for Kerry, that dickface. A fat lotta good that did. Then I spent 6 months obsessing over election reform even though I didn't care if he or Bush was in the White House, I was just amazed at all the vote manipulation. I suppose that's a good thing because eventually it occurred to me that there was nothing to be done about it legislatively anyway.
Even my local elections, in this one-party town where (D) stands for Developer, there is little point to voting. I still usually do, on local issues like millages and schools and stuff. I have a ornery anti-developer city council rep, he's a decent man, but the cards are stacked against him, plus he's a dem and I just can't abide by that.
It's a sad thing, our 'democracy', ain't it?
brother cakes
05-14-2010, 03:43 PM
I am pathologically middle class, with all the attendant lazy cynicism. I can't be disenchanted with a system because I lack the basic imagination required for "enchantment"
Kid of the Black Hole
05-14-2010, 04:18 PM
I may lift this sometime
Dhalgren
05-15-2010, 07:46 PM
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Kid of the Black Hole
05-15-2010, 08:20 PM
Granted, its offbeat, but I've worked in the story of how Heraclitus died in casual conversation before so its not like I have a real high standard..
(and as I'm sure you know, his followers helped him smother himself in cow manure trying to cure his dropsy)
Dhalgren
05-16-2010, 11:02 AM
other times I am as humorless as a presbyter. Was it Heraclitus who died buried in cow dung? Which one was it that got hit by the sea turtle?
BitterLittleFlower
05-16-2010, 02:40 PM
Howie Hawkins Receives Green Nomination for NY Governor
Calls for Progressive Tax Reform and Full Employment in a Green Economy
Gloria Mattera wins Lt. Governor nod; Clark and Lawrence Nominated for US Senate; Willibrand for State Comptroller
Albany NY—Howie Hawkins thanked the Green Party today for nominating him to be Governor of New York State at the Green Party Convention at the Women’s Club in Albany.
“The people of New York need someone in Albany who will stand up for Main Street and Martin Luther King Blvd., rather than someone bought and controlled by Wall Street. A million New Yorkers need a living wage jobs now. My campaign will show how we can fast track their creation,” said Hawkins, a member of the Teamsters Local 317 who unloads trailers at UPS in Syracuse.
Hawkins said that he would transform unemployment offices into employment offices, where out-of-work New Yorkers could get a living wage job in public works or services when they can’t find work in the private sector.
Hawkins also congratulated the other candidates who were nominated for statewide office for the Green Party. Gloria Mattera, long-time peace activist from Brooklyn, was nominated for Lt. Governor. Mattera, who has run for Brooklyn Borough President and City Council, is a health care worker active in the single payer Medicare for All movement.
Colia Clark, a long time social justice activist from Harlem who is presently working on self-determination for the Haitian people, was nominated to run for the US Senate for the seat presently held by Schumer. Cecile Lawrence, a resident of Apalachin in Tioga County who is a leader in the movement against hydrofracking for natural gas due to concerns over water and other environmental issues, will run for the Senate seat to fill out the term of Hillary Clinton (Gillibrand was appointed). Julia Willibrand, a long time environmental leader from Manhattan, was nominated to run for State Comptroller, a position she received 117,908 votes for 4 years ago. The Green Party needs 50,000 votes for Governor to regain its status as an official ballot access qualified party.
Hawkins noted that the recession has “devastated the working poor, who face unemployment rates above 30 percent – even worse than in the Great Depression. It is even worse in our inner city communities of color where unemployment rates are above 50 percent in many census tracts.”
Promising to “tax Wall Street in order to invest in Main Street,” Hawkins said, “The state fiscal crisis is contrived by the politicians of both parties to benefit their Wall Street backers. They had the money and gave it back to Wall Street. The $16 billion in stock transfer tax revenues last year would have wiped out the $9 billion deficit and left $7 billion for public schools and colleges and investing in a sustainable green economy to create new good jobs.”
Hawkins also called for restoring the kind of progressive income tax rates New York had in the 1970s and for more sharing of state revenues with local governments. He said ending the annual legislated exemption from the State Finance Law that requires the sharing of 8 percent of state revenues with local governments would increase state aid to local governments by 400 percent.
Calling “public enterprise in key areas a necessity to get the economy moving again,” Hawkins said he would campaign for single-payer health care for all, public power utilities, and a state bank to target new productive investments into a sustainable green economy based on renewable energy, mass transit, sustainable agriculture, and green industries. The state bank would also refinance mortgages on affordable terms for the tens of thousands of New York homes facing foreclosure.
Hawkins wants to ban hydrofracking for natural gas and shut down New York’s aging nuclear power plants as fast as replacement power in renewable energy comes on line.
Hawkins has previously been the Green Party candidate for US Senate and State Comptroller. He has run for Congress and local offices in Syracuse, receiving 41 percent of the vote in his last race for city council in 2009. The Green Party is committed to ecology, grassroots democracy, nonviolence, and social and economic justice. The Green Party has 22,939 enrolled voters in NYS.
Kid of the Black Hole
05-18-2010, 05:46 AM
if you come across it, make sure to tell me. Sounds like an interesting anecdote!
Dhalgren
05-18-2010, 06:19 AM
Come on! That last was total sarcasm!
Kid of the Black Hole
05-18-2010, 06:31 AM
I was thinking you meant eaten by a sea turtle or something. I've heard this one before though because I remember the joke that he was the first Shell Shock fatality
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