Based on previous discussions it seems that there is a general consensus that we should move to a new host for the website, primarily to move forward the concept of running the site as a collective. It has been suggested that the following company is our best option for hosting the site. I have perused their site and it looks good to my untrained eyes. There is a discussion board community for comments, suggestions, and sharing ideas/problems with other users, and the response time for server problems seems to be second to none.

The package comes with forum software btw.

http://www.httpme.com/

Comments? Concerns? Approval? This is especially important for those who may be involved with the techie side of things, like Mike and 12paws.

Mien Gott, it's all Geek to me. :(

Can I run the mimeograph machine?

Mien Gott, it's all Geek to me. :(

Can I run the mimeograph machine?

It was good for me, too... Put the ink in the drum and you were good to go for a ream or two. Just turn the crank until the ink disappeared on one of the sides. The stencil was funky though, and cleaning the drum was a nightmare. Still, it let you put a little of your own labor power into it... in a non-abrstract, non-digital kinda way.

http://www.birminghamstories.co.uk/db/media/coll/1981_S_03518.jpg

Based on previous discussions it seems that there is a general consensus that we should move to a new host for the website, primarily to move forward the concept of running the site as a collective. It has been suggested that the following company is our best option for hosting the site. I have perused their site and it looks good to my untrained eyes. There is a discussion board community for comments, suggestions, and sharing ideas/problems with other users, and the response time for server problems seems to be second to none.

The package comes with forum software btw.

http://www.httpme.com/

Comments? Concerns? Approval? This is especially important for those who may be involved with the techie side of things, like Mike and 12paws.

I'm in.

Here are the next steps:

- someone has to handle money. A debit card or something with a balance of $50 or so from which they can extract the $35 a month fee. Then we need a way to generate the money and get it to that person. We could offer inexpensive high quality hosting to other orgs - and there are many of them that could use that.

- someone has to handle the db - securing it and backing it up on an ingoing basis. Installing it at the new server I can handle.

- as I said, having more than one person responsible for managing the hosting is a plus, and I am willing to bring people up to speed on that. It should all be transparent to everyone.

- we need consensus from everyone, and cooperation from mugga and Rusty who now are in charge of the domain name and hosting.

- someone has to handle money. A debit card or something with a balance of $50 or so from which they can extract the $35 a month fee. Then we need a way to generate the money and get it to that person. We could offer inexpensive high quality hosting to other orgs - and there are many of them that could use that.

I might could handle that, if folks agreed. Never had a debit card but I just looked into it and that's no problem. Would snail mail suffice for payments or is some electronic means envisioned? I suppose that would be easy enough to do.

After all, filthy lucre is my forte.

edit: Thinking about it I realized how unwieldy snail mail would be. I'll talk to the bank I have my savings account with tomorrow. Forgive me, I'm an anachronism in my own time.

Guys there is a thing called Web Secret -- its a prepaid credit card that you buy at the drug store, it does everything but recurring monthly transactions, open-ended transactions (like buying gas) and gambling (for legal reasons). I think it costs about $5 to buy but the cool thing is that its totally anonymous -- when you use a cc on the internet it checks the cardholder name against whatever is on the card. Which in this case is nothing.

They're pretty awesome but I guess they're mainly designed for anonymity. But its also an alternative to having to have an account for this. The downside would be you'd have to manually pay on a monthly basis (the cards won't do monthly recurring transactions) and they're not reloadable so you have to buy a new one every $50 (plus $5 for the card)

I use them for online purchases as a safety measure and they've always worked fine for me -- but I don't know how long you have to use them.

I can dig up some info on them easily if anyone's interested.

- someone has to handle money. A debit card or something with a balance of $50 or so from which they can extract the $35 a month fee. Then we need a way to generate the money and get it to that person. We could offer inexpensive high quality hosting to other orgs - and there are many of them that could use that.

I might could handle that, if folks agreed. Never had a debit card but I just looked into it and that's no problem. Would snail mail suffice for payments or is some electronic means envisioned? I suppose that would be easy enough to do.

After all, filthy lucre is my forte.

edit: Thinking about it I realized how unwieldy snail mail would be. I'll talk to the bank I have my savings account with tomorrow. Forgive me, I'm an anachronism in my own time.

Mailing cash can be tricky bc either you send cash (concealed) and take the risk or you have to get a money order. And no one really cashes MOs unless they're from the post office or you deposit it with you bank.

- someone has to handle money. A debit card or something with a balance of $50 or so from which they can extract the $35 a month fee. Then we need a way to generate the money and get it to that person. We could offer inexpensive high quality hosting to other orgs - and there are many of them that could use that.

I might could handle that, if folks agreed. Never had a debit card but I just looked into it and that's no problem. Would snail mail suffice for payments or is some electronic means envisioned? I suppose that would be easy enough to do.

After all, filthy lucre is my forte.

edit: Thinking about it I realized how unwieldy snail mail would be. I'll talk to the bank I have my savings account with tomorrow. Forgive me, I'm an anachronism in my own time.

Mailing cash can be tricky bc either you send cash (concealed) and take the risk or you have to get a money order. And no one really cashes MOs unless they're from the post office or you deposit it with you bank.

You guys have it well in hand.

Not easy doing anything as the noose around us tightens and tightens, is it?

More and more people will be having the experience I had, and that Wolf and others talk about - waking up one morning and realizing that "shit, we are completely trapped. When did that happen??"

We are free to do anything we like, so long as we don't really do anything. I think that is what is behind all of the difficulties in getting organized - fear, and a desire to escape from what we know to be true by not thinking about it.

You know what the problem with Internet boards is? (Another excuse to kick this thread :) )

You have to cover the same ground again, and again, and again, and battle against the same moronic talking points ad infinitum. Then, the only way to get attention is to start a new thread, and each time that happens previous discussions become more and more buried and forgotten. It is difficult to find things later, and while ot os possible to keep your own files it would be nice to be able to use the Internet for that, since the Internet is ideally suited for it and was desiogned to do just that. You can put in a ton of time and thought, wade through the inane posts and inflammatory arguments and one-liners, gather resources, explore all aspects of a subject, and then a couple of months later someone posts "I heard that the bees were eating cell phones and that Einstein said that was bad" or whatever idiocy pops into their minds at the moment, and you have to start all over again.

Boards make the more serious and important work more diffcult to do, and the disruptions and trolling and stupid and ignorant posts easier to do. The way boards are set up faciliates the wrong things, and thwarts the right things.

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One question I anticipate is that of name. Are we going to stick with PopIndy or go with something else?

The bank wasn't able to help me today, real small, they'll get back to me tomorrow.

One question I anticipate is that of name. Are we going to stick with PopIndy or go with something else?

The bank wasn't able to help me today, real small, they'll get back to me tomorrow.

Finally something I can vote on (didn't Bentham say that after he died?).

I vote for Socialist Independent.

I still don't know what a populist is...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/tomasutpen/Album%202b/socialism.jpg

Finally something I can vote on (didn't Bentham say that after he died?).

I vote for Socialist Independent.

I still don't know what a populist is...

Wholeheartedly agree. Moving to a new server would be the ideal time to change the domain name. We could then have both sites running simultaneously, so there would be no disruption, confusion or lost data db issues like last time.

The db is the hassle - it is the source of all of the moving, speed, security, search engine, stability, backup issues. That was why I was looking for a static file generator we could use.

Finally something I can vote on (didn't Bentham say that after he died?).

I vote for Socialist Independent.

I still don't know what a populist is...

Wholeheartedly agree. Moving to a new server would be the ideal time to change the domain name. We could then have both sites running simultaneously, so there would be no disruption, confusion or lost data db issues like last time.

The db is the hassle - it is the source of all of the moving, speed, security, search engine, stability, backup issues. That was why I was looking for a static file generator we could use.

I have that domain too.

Did you ever look at IP.board and IP.blog that I mentioned earlier?

Why should we consider hosting others' sites as a reseller?

Why should we consider hosting others' sites as a reseller?

1. Because we can

2. Because people need that

3. Because it helps us network to other organizations

4. Because it pays the bills for us

5. Because for a little effort and very little expense we get the best possible service, performance, and control available anywhere

Not saying those are necessarily our goals, but those are reasons why me might want to do this.

OK a recap of where we are.

- BP offered to handle the money, Kid expressed some interest and can help BP on that.

- 12Paws offered to help me with the server management.

- Mary, how about you design a bold new look for Socialist Independent, with the 30's poster feel as you described? I can code your design into templates for the site.

- Rusty can handle DNS issues and the domain name, and help with admin.

- Anax, Auto and Wolf can continue to do what they are doing, and also write articles for our front end pages, and we should make that as effortless as possible for them.

- Chlamor can continue to do whgat he has been doing, find and publish resources, and organioze and comment on them, and we should make that as easy as possible for him.

- Megan can be our leader and admin, with help from the rest of us to do the actual admin chores.

Here are the steps for the changeover -

1. Set up a debit card for payment for the server.

2. Get some money into the account.

3. Set up the server account.

4. Assign the DNS routing for socialistindependent.com to the new server through the domain name registrar.

5. Install phpbb at the new site.

6. move the db to the new site.

7. Create the html templates and php template files for the new look for the site.

8. install the program that will allow anyone here to create new static front end pages for the site.

9. Make blogging accounts and hosting accounts available to others.

It could be done in a week. I am ready to start at my end any time.

My life is extremely full right now and I don't have a lot of online time. But I'd be happy to help Megan with admin duties, or forum-keeping tidy-work etc.

My life is extremely full right now and I don't have a lot of online time. But I'd be happy to help Megan with admin duties, or forum-keeping tidy-work etc.

That would be fantastic. I think once we get the new setup going and work through the kinks it should be pretty painless.

Hoping for a few more people to weigh in on making the move and changing the name...

5. Install phpbb at the new site.

6. move the db to the new site.



The db was broken when the last move took place. I have some backup files, but they'd have to be woven together with the current file in order to restore old content. I dunno if you are up for sifting through a ~90 meg text file or not, but I hate that we've had that loss. Anyway, I am just throwing this out there.

I like your SI graphic that was in another thread, btw. Somehow, I'd almost missed it.

5. Install phpbb at the new site.

6. move the db to the new site.



The db was broken when the last move took place. I have some backup files, but they'd have to be woven together with the current file in order to restore old content. I dunno if you are up for sifting through a ~90 meg text file or not, but I hate that we've had that loss. Anyway, I am just throwing this out there.

I like your SI graphic that was in another thread, btw. Somehow, I'd almost missed it.

I was pretty sure that we had lost stuff.

I have repaired and restored MySQL dbs in the past. Tedious, but it can be done. What I would do would be to capture this db, make a succesful install at the new site (we would still have it here as a safety back up) and then once that had gone smoothly work on restoring the missing tables and data from before the first move.

Change the name.

Have a "Gallery of Capitalist Assholes" as one of the features with the header being images of some of same.

Have a Discussion forum.

Have a Sports forum so Megan and I can talk about tennis.

Other than that no whistles and bells.

Damn, Progressive Independent went to hell quicker than could've been imagined.

Don't ban people except in the most severe of circumstances and only with lengthy discussions involving the person in question.

My unpopular opinion here: Get rid of emoticons. I'm looking at these little yellow circle demons off to my left and I'm about to throw my beer at them. But it's a belgian ale, okay belgian style ale who can afford the real thing, so i'll drink it instead.

Before you do anything ask for my go ahead. On second thought let me give you the "in-advance" A-Ok wink-wink nod-nod seal of approval on whatever you guys decide cause I'm just a passenger on this runaway train. Stop being so serious and have a laugh.

I hate those fuckin' yellow smilies.

:wink:

Change the name.

Have a "Gallery of Capitalist Assholes" as one of the features with the header being images of some of same.

Have a Discussion forum.

Have a Sports forum so Megan and I can talk about tennis.

Other than that no whistles and bells.

Damn, Progressive Independent went to hell quicker than could've been imagined.

Don't ban people except in the most severe of circumstances and only with lengthy discussions involving the person in question.

My unpopular opinion here: Get rid of emoticons. I'm looking at these little yellow circle demons off to my left and I'm about to throw my beer at them. But it's a belgian ale, okay belgian style ale who can afford the real thing, so i'll drink it instead.

Before you do anything ask for my go ahead. On second thought let me give you the "in-advance" A-Ok wink-wink nod-nod seal of approval on whatever you guys decide cause I'm just a passenger on this runaway train. Stop being so serious and have a laugh.

I hate those fuckin' yellow smilies.

:wink:

Sports talk is really obnoxious

(unless its about sports I like)

I know Megan supports those button-down buffoons at U of M (pretentious too -- Go Blue my ass) but I've always been partial to the Spratans of East Lansing. Sadly, that and $5 gets me..well, jack shit actually..goddamn depreciating dollar. Believe you me no one wanted John L Smith gone more than me, but Mark Dantonio S-U-C-K-S. Tressell assistant blah bla

Even though hes a total asshole for campaigning for (and hugging) Bush in 2004 I want Mariucci. All I can say is thank God Ron Zook and/or Larry Coker weren't on the market last year. (And that goes double for Tyrone Willingham). Although Zook is a great recruiter and MSU was going to suck no matter who the coach is..

If they time this just right they might get Charlie Weis on the rebound..on second thought..

The worst part is, even their biggest "victory" of the year -- a 21-17 loss to Ohio State was a downer given that they didn't cross midfield or score any offensive points until the game was over. And now they play Michigan. One year they ass-stomped Michigan, were top 5 in the country, and then lost to that guy with the creepy symbiote living on his face Drew Brees and fucking Joe Tiller at Purdue. Tiller was the original John L -- great offense non-conference, dies in the Big 10.

They're rated well in basketball this year but lost their skinhead leader Drew Neitzel. He was (sometimes) electric.

At least we have the Frozen Four NC..






See, I told you sports talk was obnoxious

:D :) :( :o :shock: :? 8) :lol: :cry: :oops: :P :x :evil: :twisted: :roll: :wink: :arrow: :idea: :?: :!: :mrgreen:

I know Megan supports those button-down buffoons at U of M (pretentious too -- Go Blue my ass) but I've always been partial to the Spratans of East Lansing.

Ew. I'm a townie thankyouverymuch. U of M Football simply means that I can't go downtown...actually I can't really go anywhere on home game Saturdays because there are fucking assholes invading my town like ants to a puddle of honey (but not quite as smart, and drunker). So I either escape town early or I am trapped at home all day. Which isn't all bad, there's lots of yardwork to do.

That's how I feel about U of M sports.

Tennis, though, I love tennis. Mostly cuz there's no 'team' crap involved and everyone who plays it has great legs (even Chlamor) :twisted:



See, I told you sports talk was obnoxious

:D :) :( :o :shock: :? 8) :lol: :cry: :oops: :P :x :evil: :twisted: :roll: :wink: :arrow: :idea: :?: :!: :mrgreen:

Indeed. As are the smilies. I'm afraid I'd miss them though, if they were gone. :shock:

I could derail this thread and turn it into a 'smilies fest' from you poor wankers who delight in some small yellow electronic ball with slight facial tics.

The soul and the spirit each have got their own limit.

Fuck this shit I got a One-Way Ticket to a benevolent dictatorship. Beats Ivy League football.

I could derail this thread and turn it into a 'smilies fest' from you poor wankers who delight in some small yellow electronic ball with slight facial tics.

The soul and the spirit each have got their own limit.

Fuck this shit I got a One-Way Ticket to a benevolent dictatorship. Beats Ivy League football.

Should we start a poll to determine whether or not to keep the smilies? Or maybe a poll to see if we should have a poll about the smilies?

(see, I didn't use any smilies so you can't tell if I'm being silly, bitchy, or just plain dumb. Or, god forbid, rolling my eyes at you. Ha!)

Chlamor - have you tried the hors d'oeuvres? Cocktail weenie dogs wrapped in bacon with sweet and sour sauce - they're yummy!

http://www.coloradofullcircle.com/images/weenie.jpg


Could someone get chlamor another beer and show him where the hors d'oeuvres are?

Could someone get chlamor another beer and show him where the hors d'oeuvres are?



Here Chlams, let's see what I have in my photobucket account for ya..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/meganmonkey/beer-sausage-fenway.jpg

Oh shit, there's baseball in that one. And it looks a little greasy for Chlamor's taste. Let's try again.

Okay, a nice hoppy ale

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/meganmonkey/BeerDelGrande_narrowweb__300x4600.jpg

And a variety of snacks to satisfy

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/meganmonkey/Mixed-Platter-1.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/meganmonkey/Crudites-2.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/meganmonkey/Fruit-2.gif

And for anaxarchos (just in case he peeks in here):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/meganmonkey/1161382099-1161356741260.jpg

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2064341/2/istockphoto_2064341_big_steak.jpg

What?

http://www.birdwatchersdigest.com/blog/uploaded_images/OwlBarDrunks-748594.JPG

These Friday night cast parties are so much fun.

Too bad, guess I'll have to eat these myself.

http://www.seaburst.com/032_29_Oysters_Edit002a.jpg

A tad of habenero sauce and it's just like heaven.

I'm uncertain about smilies, I'll poll myself.(wait, that doesn't sound right...)

Given our current size and needs it would be doable to handle the money in an old fashioned, manual way.

Checks and MOs could be sent to me and I'd pay the bill. Could be addressed to my home, shop, or my sweeties shop POB. Donors would recieve reciept via pm.

I could start a thread in the Welcome Forum which could be made a sticky where our financial deal would be laid out in detail and updated with edits.

If that or something like it doesn't suit we might take on a net middleman, or do that as we get larger. The outfit below looks pretty good, $25 up front and 5% of the take. Given our scale the 5% is nothing.

link here (http://www.clickandpledge.com/default.asp?c1=GAW_CM_NW&source=GAW&kw=nonprofit_payment_form&cr5=816917767&gclid=CJ-4jdDivo8CFVB1OAod2BA-dw)

Suggestions? Comments?



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Megan your bad boy Baghdatis is in the semis in Paris.

I'm not actually saying this to let you know though it does do that I'm saying it to show the import and possibilities of a Sports forum. Re-read the phrase you silly defenders of the proletariat, not only read it but feel it- "bad boy Baghdatis is in the semis in Paris."

This is just the sort of talk, done casually of course, which will connect us to the movers-shakers that will help us to get things done. These phrases, of which I have a small pocketbook for sale at a discounted price for you my friends, are sure to get thousands of 'hits' and bring in all the important people to our discussion. Without such lingo I do not see us ever getting this boat off the ground.

BTW for you who eat these petite tidbits of Empire I prefer the slab that anax showed to us. That's the spirit. It's obvious though that he's still thinkin' too small. C'mon folks don't be afraid to dream big dreams.

http://coolrockstock.com/myPictures/MVC-435S.JPG

Tennis, though, I love tennis. Mostly cuz there's no 'team' crap involved and everyone who plays it has great legs (even Chlamor) :twisted:


Fuckin' tennis. Dammit. I need that flashback like I need to gain ten more pounds.

When I was a lad, I took up the great game only to find that my already terrible hand-eye coordination was - shudder - abetted by, yes you guessed it, a LIMP WRIST. It seemed as though every time I swung, the racket would sail under the ball.

Shoulda known though. I think I am the only kid on the planet who was able to get a bloody nose playing tee ball, having again swung too low, hitting the tee in just the right way to give the the baseball some nice reverse English into my face.

Thanks Jeebus, I don't really come off as being as proverbially limp wristed as I in fact am, hehe.

Anyway, FUCK TENNIS. I still need therapy about tennis. And I never even checked out Chlams gams...

Tennis, though, I love tennis. Mostly cuz there's no 'team' crap involved and everyone who plays it has great legs (even Chlamor) :twisted:


Fuckin' tennis. Dammit. I need that flashback like I need to gain ten more pounds.

When I was a lad, I took up the great game only to find that my already terrible hand-eye coordination was - shudder - abetted by, yes you guessed it, a LIMP WRIST. It seemed as though every time I swung, the racket would sail under the ball.

Shoulda known though. I think I am the only kid on the planet who was able to get a bloody nose playing tee ball, having again swung too low, hitting the tee in just the right way to give the the baseball some nice reverse English into my face.

Thanks Jeebus, I don't really come off as being as proverbially limp wristed as I in fact am, hehe.

Anyway, FUCK TENNIS. I still need therapy about tennis. And I never even checked out Chlams gams...

I almost knocked myself out with a golf ball once.

OK a recap of where we are.


- Mary, how about you design a bold new look for Socialist Independent, with the 30's poster feel as you described? I can code your design into templates for the site.



I'm not sure if I could come up to the plate in a week, send me the specs, I'll start imaging! How many colors? I can't seem to download images to here, how would I get them to you? I may have to do it on a disc, as my photoshop is on my mac with the blown ethernet. (I may be able to sneak it in at work).

And here I was thinking it'd been so long since I'd been here, y'all were plotting to be gone before I got back :wink:

I'm not sure if I could come up to the plate in a week, send me the specs, I'll start imaging! How many colors? I can't seem to download images to here, how would I get them to you? I may have to do it on a disc, as my photoshop is on my mac with the blown ethernet. (I may be able to sneak it in at work).

And here I was thinking it'd been so long since I'd been here, y'all were plotting to be gone before I got back :wink:

No hurry. We will use the default template in the meantime.

We can work out transfer of images, etc. no problem.

Are we ready to go? Blindpig - are you ready to accept money, or do you want to set up a click and pledge account or something first? I have no experience with that kind of stuff. As long as we are just the few of us I am comfortable with snail mail but we may want to keep the option of anonymity in mind for the future.

Other than that, what are we waiting for? Can we go? Is there anything I can do to kickstart it?

To refresh:



Here are the steps for the changeover -

1. Set up a debit card for payment for the server.

2. Get some money into the account.

3. Set up the server account.

4. Assign the DNS routing for socialistindependent.com to the new server through the domain name registrar.

5. Install phpbb at the new site.

6. move the db to the new site.

7. Create the html templates and php template files for the new look for the site.

8. install the program that will allow anyone here to create new static front end pages for the site.

9. Make blogging accounts and hosting accounts available to others.

It could be done in a week.

ps. ppl your tennis story was lol funny. even like the third time I read it. and you didn't come across as limp-wristed to me, although I may have been too distraacted by Chlams gams to notice. Or maybe it was just those pants :)

Are we ready to go? Blindpig - are you ready to accept money, or do you want to set up a click and pledge account or something first? I have no experience with that kind of stuff. As long as we are just the few of us I am comfortable with snail mail but we may want to keep the option of anonymity in mind for the future.

Other than that, what are we waiting for? Can we go? Is there anything I can do to kickstart it?

To refresh:



Here are the steps for the changeover -

1. Set up a debit card for payment for the server.

2. Get some money into the account.

3. Set up the server account.

4. Assign the DNS routing for socialistindependent.com to the new server through the domain name registrar.

5. Install phpbb at the new site.

6. move the db to the new site.

7. Create the html templates and php template files for the new look for the site.

8. install the program that will allow anyone here to create new static front end pages for the site.

9. Make blogging accounts and hosting accounts available to others.

It could be done in a week.

ps. ppl your tennis story was lol funny. even like the third time I read it. :)

Paypal is all good for moving stuff. Presumably one could even create a paypal account using their screenname to maintain anonymity if they are not as foolishly public as I am ;)

Are we ready to go? Blindpig - are you ready to accept money, or do you want to set up a click and pledge account or something first? I have no experience with that kind of stuff. As long as we are just the few of us I am comfortable with snail mail but we may want to keep the option of anonymity in mind for the future.

Other than that, what are we waiting for? Can we go? Is there anything I can do to kickstart it?

To refresh:



Here are the steps for the changeover -

1. Set up a debit card for payment for the server.

2. Get some money into the account.

3. Set up the server account.

4. Assign the DNS routing for socialistindependent.com to the new server through the domain name registrar.

5. Install phpbb at the new site.

6. move the db to the new site.

7. Create the html templates and php template files for the new look for the site.

8. install the program that will allow anyone here to create new static front end pages for the site.

9. Make blogging accounts and hosting accounts available to others.

It could be done in a week.

ps. ppl your tennis story was lol funny. even like the third time I read it. and you didn't come across as limp-wristed to me, although I may have been too distraacted by Chlams gams to notice. Or maybe it was just those pants :)

Any time, dependent upon the will of the people. :P

That ought to give Chlamor plenty to grouse about. :lol:

Seriously, I'd be happy to handle things manually, it would be cheaper and and little trouble. I think transparancy can be handled as I described above. This would be a stop gap measure assuming that we gain more membership so the question is why not go ahead and and just take on a vendor and be done with it. Pay Pal is an option though I have a personal distaste for them, if they are cheaper or provide superior options then that should be the choice.

On reflection, the whole process might be cleaner if we just cut to the chase and start with the vendor. Give me the word and I'll get it rolling.

Or should I post a poll? :shock:

Are we ready to go? Blindpig - are you ready to accept money, or do you want to set up a click and pledge account or something first? I have no experience with that kind of stuff. As long as we are just the few of us I am comfortable with snail mail but we may want to keep the option of anonymity in mind for the future.

Other than that, what are we waiting for? Can we go? Is there anything I can do to kickstart it?

To refresh:



Here are the steps for the changeover -

1. Set up a debit card for payment for the server.

2. Get some money into the account.

3. Set up the server account.

4. Assign the DNS routing for socialistindependent.com to the new server through the domain name registrar.

5. Install phpbb at the new site.

6. move the db to the new site.

7. Create the html templates and php template files for the new look for the site.

8. install the program that will allow anyone here to create new static front end pages for the site.

9. Make blogging accounts and hosting accounts available to others.

It could be done in a week.

ps. ppl your tennis story was lol funny. even like the third time I read it. and you didn't come across as limp-wristed to me, although I may have been too distraacted by Chlams gams to notice. Or maybe it was just those pants :)

Any time, dependent upon the will of the people. :P

That ought to give Chlamor plenty to grouse about. :lol:

Seriously, I'd be happy to handle things manually, it would be cheaper and and little trouble. I think transparancy can be handled as I described above. This would be a stop gap measure assuming that we gain more membership so the question is why not go ahead and and just take on a vendor and be done with it. Pay Pal is an option though I have a personal distaste for them, if they are cheaper or provide superior options then that should be the choice.

On reflection, the whole process might be cleaner if we just cut to the chase and start with the vendor. Give me the word and I'll get it rolling.

Or should I post a poll? :shock:

I say go go go.

I imagine if other people had different ideas they'd have expressed them by now (?)

Are we ready to go? Blindpig - are you ready to accept money, or do you want to set up a click and pledge account or something first? I have no experience with that kind of stuff. As long as we are just the few of us I am comfortable with snail mail but we may want to keep the option of anonymity in mind for the future.

Other than that, what are we waiting for? Can we go? Is there anything I can do to kickstart it?

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Here are the steps for the changeover -

1. Set up a debit card for payment for the server.

2. Get some money into the account.

3. Set up the server account.

4. Assign the DNS routing for socialistindependent.com to the new server through the domain name registrar.

5. Install phpbb at the new site.

6. move the db to the new site.

7. Create the html templates and php template files for the new look for the site.

8. install the program that will allow anyone here to create new static front end pages for the site.

9. Make blogging accounts and hosting accounts available to others.

It could be done in a week.

ps. ppl your tennis story was lol funny. even like the third time I read it. and you didn't come across as limp-wristed to me, although I may have been too distraacted by Chlams gams to notice. Or maybe it was just those pants :)

Any time, dependent upon the will of the people. :P

That ought to give Chlamor plenty to grouse about. :lol:

Seriously, I'd be happy to handle things manually, it would be cheaper and and little trouble. I think transparancy can be handled as I described above. This would be a stop gap measure assuming that we gain more membership so the question is why not go ahead and and just take on a vendor and be done with it. Pay Pal is an option though I have a personal distaste for them, if they are cheaper or provide superior options then that should be the choice.

On reflection, the whole process might be cleaner if we just cut to the chase and start with the vendor. Give me the word and I'll get it rolling.

Or should I post a poll? :shock:

I say go go go.

I imagine if other people had different ideas they'd have expressed them by now (?)

Unless I hear any objections I'll begin asap, that being conditioned upon my recieving my new credit card, the old being negated by a cyber break in, should be in the mail any day.

The one thing I probably shouldn't try to do, and that needs to be done, is to negotiate and reach an agreement with mugga.

I think eight folks voted "yes" on the new site. That breaks down to approximately $5-7 per person per month.

The one thing I probably shouldn't try to do, and that needs to be done, is to negotiate and reach an agreement with mugga.

I'd be happy to do so as long as someone explains to me what needs to be agreed upon, although I sent muga a PM on Oct 23rd and it's still in my Outbox so I don't think he's even read it yet.

The one thing I probably shouldn't try to do, and that needs to be done, is to negotiate and reach an agreement with mugga.

I'd be happy to do so as long as someone explains to me what needs to be agreed upon, although I sent muga a PM on Oct 23rd and it's still in my Outbox so I don't think he's even read it yet.

Hey, you know what I just realized Megan? If any of us has ever wanted a site for whatever purpose - hey BP let's do a turtle site lol - we can do that under the new system. I am a whiz at html and would be happy to help just for fun.

I am trying to put together a new non-proft ag advocacy organization this winter, and when that happens SocIndy can come along for a free ride - if people want that. whatver people want to do.

To answer your question, we need the database; I think it would be worthwhile to be on good terms with mugga and to reimburse him for his out-of-pocket expenses; we could carry him - not sure what he is up to online, but he has a couple of sites and may have more ambitions in that direction. He hosted us for a year or so, we could reciprocate.

On edit - I said we need the db - we don't need the db to start the new site, we only need it to bring all of this material we have posted here over to the new site. The new site can be set up in the meantime without waiting for the db from this one.

On edit - I said we need the db - we don't need the db to start the new site, we only need it to bring all of this material we have posted here over to the new site. The new site can be set up in the meantime without waiting for the db from this one.

So what's that have to do with him? You can simply run a full backup at the moment of your choosing and you'll have the db.

I have the old copies, should you be interested in performing the necessary labor to restore the lost material.

And when it is done, I'll just tell him to shut the fucker down. He won't care one way or another.

So what's that have to do with him? You can simply run a full backup at the moment of your choosing and you'll have the db.

I have the old copies, should you be interested in performing the necessary labor to restore the lost material.

And when it is done, I'll just tell him to shut the fucker down. He won't care one way or another.

OK that's great. I don't have access and didn't know who did.

On edit - Wait a minute - shit I do still have access to that . Sorry. Never mind. :oops:

Such an airhead. Good example of why I shouldn't be in charge.

Full speed ahead then.

Well hells bells what's the matter with me? I will plead stress from the effects of being homeless and unemployed lol.

OK great we can move forward. We just need a cc number to give to the server guys, or a check or mo to them. I will then walk anyone interested through the set up process with me so I am not the only one who knows how to do that - you never know I could get hit by a bus or an HS swat team. Then the dns set up, no problem, install the board software no problem, move the db no problem. Then we can configure the appearance and the top end pages at our leisure. Mary is working on the graphics.

Pay Pal looks to be the way to go, easy as toast, cost is Dx.029+.30, no set up. We'll need to have the site set up first in order to set up the account, which leaves us with gathering the moola for the set up. We can use my sweetie's POB, which I'll post in the top welcome forum.

Pay Pal looks to be the way to go, easy as toast, cost is Dx.029+.30, no set up. We'll need to have the site set up first in order to set up the account, which leaves us with gathering the moola for the set up. We can use my sweetie's POB, which I'll post in the top welcome forum.

What's the cost for the initial set-up?

What's the cost for the initial set-up?

No set-up fee since I will be doing it. $35 for the first month is what we need.

We aren't buying service from a hosting company, we will be the hosting company. We can sell or give away hosting to other orgs.

Sorry folks that I've bailed on the heading so far. I don't have photoshop on my sisters computer, and it was grading week at school, not sure what I can really do or when :-(. Really want to add to this. I've also been out petitioning and have been "volunteered" to be the moderator of nyforkucinich@yahoogroups.com lol, I don't have a clue what the fuck I'm doing there!! I was asked if I'd consider it, I said I'd give it thought, next thing I knew I got a message saying I was it!! Mike, were you planning on staying with the heading you did??? I loved it myself, I could do something later if that'd be ok. Please message me regarding the change and any funds needed. m

Sorry folks that I've bailed on the heading so far. I don't have photoshop on my sisters computer, and it was grading week at school, not sure what I can really do or when :-(. Really want to add to this. I've also been out petitioning and have been "volunteered" to be the moderator of nyforkucinich@yahoogroups.com lol, I don't have a clue what the fuck I'm doing there!! I was asked if I'd consider it, I said I'd give it thought, next thing I knew I got a message saying I was it!! Mike, were you planning on staying with the heading you did??? I loved it myself, I could do something later if that'd be ok. Please message me regarding the change and any funds needed. m

No hurry, no pressure. Work in any medium if you want and mail it to me and I'll digitize the work. Or take 6 months waiting for the muse. No worries.