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chlamor
07-27-2010, 04:08 AM
Why Did Anti-War Democrats Vote For to Fund the War?
For the Want of Three Votes

By GREGORY VICKREY

The vote in the House of Representatives last Thursday (July 1, 2010) approved $33 billion more for Barack Obama's escalation of the war in Afghanistan. Most accounts of the vote in the progressive media viewed the vote positively, focusing on the various anti-war amendments that failed, but got sizable votes. The one with broadest support (162 "Yes" votes) would have required Obama to produce an exit plan. Its sponsors included Democrats David Obey (WI) and Jim McGovern (MA). Another would have funded the exit of the troops. It was sponsored by Democrat Barbara Lee (CA) and got 100 "Yes" votes. An even stronger anti-war amendment, however, got only 25 "Yes" votes.

But these progressive media accounts looking primarily at the breadth of support for the exit plan amendment have overlooked a couple of key numbers that reveal an entirely new view of the votes on the bill and its amendments.

The first key number is the vote on the main bill itself. Because all of the GOP voted against it in order to reject the domestic spending sweetners added by Nancy Pelosi, this vote was much closer. It passed by 215 to 210. If only 3 more "Yes" voters would have voted "No", the funding bill would have failed (by 212 "Yes" vs. 213 "No"). Failure of the bill to pass would have been an earthquake in US politics.

The other key number overlooked by most progressive media accounts of the vote was this: enough leading anti-war Democrats voted for the actual funding bill that they could have defeated it had they voted "No". Among leading anti-war Democrats, which ones voted for the war funding?

First, Barbara Lee voted for the war funds. She represents Berkeley, California, and part of Oakland. Being from this heavily anti-war district, many anti-war activists assume she votes against all war funding bills. She has been a heroine-of-sorts of the anti-war movement for years.

Next, we have the Out of Afghanistan Caucus, started in May 2010 by John Conyers. In the morning on the day of the vote, the caucus held a press conference to urge a NO vote on the war funding. Five of the eight Democrats conducting this press conference actually voted for the war funding that evening, after participating in the press conference about voting "No"! Conyers, Bob Filner (CA), and Alan Grayson (FL) voted "No"; voting "Yes" were Sheila Jackson Lee (TX), Maxine Waters (CA), Mike Honda (CA), Judy Chu (CA), and Barbara Lee.

Next, we can look at the Democratic sponsors of the various anti-war amendments to the bill.

We would expect these Democrats to not only sponsor their anti-war amendments, but to also vote against the final war funding bill itself. But all three of the Democrat anti-war amendment co-sponsors mentioned above voted for the final war funding bill: David Obey (WI), Jim McGovern (MA), and Barbara Lee (CA).

Finally, we should mention Pete Stark, another San Francisco Bay Area Democrat. While he tends to keep a low profile, he often actually casts more progressive votes than Barbara Lee.

(For example, he was one of the few "No" votes in the House vote on heavier sanctions against Iran, which passed by 408-8 on June 24. Barbara Lee voted for those sanctions.) Even Pete Stark voted FOR the Afghan war funding last week.

If just three of these leading anti-war Democrats had switched their vote to "No" on the Afghan war funding bill, it would have failed. This would have given the anti-war movement a huge boost, even if war-funder-in-chief Nancy Pelosi had organized another vote and courted Republican support to guarantee its passage. Such a scenario would have exposed the Democratic leadership as co-equal pillars of the war (which they are), along with the GOP and the Democrat in the White House. Instead, when they had a golden opportunity to defeat the war funding bill, our leading "anti-war" Democrats betrayed us.

http://www.counterpunch.org/vickrey07092010.html

Dhalgren
07-27-2010, 05:52 AM
Democrats are Republicans. Republicans are Democrats. The fact that so many "anti-war Democrats" (this phrase is almost impossible to speak) don't seem to care about this "betrayal" only shows that they, themselves, are "in" on the betrayal.

Democrats are spittoons, Republicans are chamberpots - of course their functions can be exchanged with almost no discernible distinction...

meganmonkey
07-27-2010, 06:52 AM
Why do they even get referred to as 'anti-war' democrats?
That's the more important question imo.



The emperor wears no motherfucking clothes.

blindpig
07-27-2010, 07:37 AM
Why the abandonment of pretense? With the advent of the Obama Administration the Dems have seemingly thrown caution to the wind and a significant portion of their 'base' under the bus. Did Diebold give them keys to the machines? Are they out to prove that elections are meaningless? We could hardly do that better. Two years in and there has not even been a dram of sugar, some moldy saccharine and a big sack of shit. This ain't the way it's supposed to be done, something is up.

TBF
07-27-2010, 08:05 AM
or the war is a distraction for other more odious things going on behind the scenes.

meganmonkey
07-27-2010, 09:09 AM
Maybe I'm missing something, maybe it's because I came of age politically with the election of that opportunistic sleaze Clinton in 1992, but I just don't see what's different. There's rhetoric on the one hand, and legislative votes and actions on the other, and never the twain shall meet.

The true believers don't care though.

The disconnect is particularly obvious since one party is in charge of everything right now, and their excuses for refusing to back up their words with action are particularly weak, but that will be remedied this November, or in 2012, and all will be forgiven and forgotten.

Two Americas
07-27-2010, 09:30 AM
When the Republicans were in power the Democrats were happy to posture as being anti-war. In fact, from 2003-2008 the wars were the number one topic among progressives, and the main reason Obama supporters gave for supporting Obama over Clinton was because Clinton was the war candidate and Obama was the peace candidate.

Obviously the Democrats are not worried about alienating any "base." The base was useful for a while, to help them get into office. Once they were in office, that was the end of that.

Two Americas
07-27-2010, 10:01 AM
The party politicians are not so much alienating the base as they are smashing it up. That is why they are not worried about it, because the base will soon have no power.

Here is why this is important to understand. Politics is not driven by individual personal belief systems. 50 million isolated people "believing" in the "right things" is of no value. Organizations are needed. The party politicians don't care what people "believe" because there is no power in that so it represents no threat to them. They have that one handled with this argument - "I believe in (insert left wing cause) BUT..." which is them followed with all of the reasons and causes for moving to the right and using the practicality and lesser of two evils arguments. They are first and foremost smashing up and crippling the organizations. They also don't care if people become bored, confused or frustrated and wander away and stop thinking and talking about politics.

The entire population could hate the Democrats and disagree with everything they are doing, and so long as there are no organizations within which to fight back, and so long as the Republicans are even worse, the Democrats will do fine.

blindpig
07-27-2010, 10:34 AM
Does that not count for anything anymore? Whose gonna vote for 2nd rate Republicans? Do they care if they're not re-elected? Can they dispense with the illusion of democracy?

brother cakes
07-27-2010, 11:40 AM
over first rate Democrats who preside over a fucked economy and a jobless recovery. At least Republicans recognize a bad situation and point to a cause (deficit spending or whatever). Democrats just flat out deny everything.

Dhalgren
07-27-2010, 11:45 AM
"They are first and foremost smashing up and crippling the organizations." Without organization and structure among the people, the political apparatus has nothing to fear...

TBF
07-27-2010, 12:28 PM
so transparent... and I do remember the pandering to peace during the campaign. That's all forgotten now as they pass their appropriations bills. Sickening.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8823796

Two Americas
07-27-2010, 06:34 PM
I think they are trying to smash the Left and replace the Republicans. In retrospect it is now clear that the main complaint that the Dems and their followers had with the Republicans was not what they were doing but rather the way they were doing it. The Dems can do a better job of bailing out Wall Street, expanding and protecting the empire, and dismantling the public infrastructure.

Still, I think it is risky and is an historically unprecedented bait-and-switch con job.

TBF
07-27-2010, 07:56 PM
and it has proven true.

blindpig
07-28-2010, 04:57 AM
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Still, I think it is risky and is an historically unprecedented bait-and-switch con job.[/quote]

Looked at within the microism of electoral politics, as things appear, such a strategy is a very hard nut. Assuming that the goal of any conventional politician is to stay in power, these guys are rolling for snake eyes. Could be the new Whigs.