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chlamor
11-14-2007, 08:32 PM
Resistance Is Surrender
Slavoj Žižek

One of the clearest lessons of the last few decades is that capitalism is indestructible. Marx compared it to a vampire, and one of the salient points of comparison now appears to be that vampires always rise up again after being stabbed to death. Even Mao’s attempt, in the Cultural Revolution, to wipe out the traces of capitalism, ended up in its triumphant return.

Today’s Left reacts in a wide variety of ways to the hegemony of global capitalism and its political supplement, liberal democracy. It might, for example, accept the hegemony, but continue to fight for reform within its rules (this is Third Way social democracy).

Or, it accepts that the hegemony is here to stay, but should nonetheless be resisted from its ‘interstices’.

Or, it accepts the futility of all struggle, since the hegemony is so all-encompassing that nothing can really be done except wait for an outburst of ‘divine violence’ – a revolutionary version of Heidegger’s ‘only God can save us.’

Or, it recognises the temporary futility of the struggle. In today’s triumph of global capitalism, the argument goes, true resistance is not possible, so all we can do till the revolutionary spirit of the global working class is renewed is defend what remains of the welfare state, confronting those in power with demands we know they cannot fulfil, and otherwise withdraw into cultural studies, where one can quietly pursue the work of criticism.

Or, it emphasises the fact that the problem is a more fundamental one, that global capitalism is ultimately an effect of the underlying principles of technology or ‘instrumental reason’.

Or, it posits that one can undermine global capitalism and state power, not by directly attacking them, but by refocusing the field of struggle on everyday practices, where one can ‘build a new world’; in this way, the foundations of the power of capital and the state will be gradually undermined, and, at some point, the state will collapse (the exemplar of this approach is the Zapatista movement).

Or, it takes the ‘postmodern’ route, shifting the accent from anti-capitalist struggle to the multiple forms of politico-ideological struggle for hegemony, emphasising the importance of discursive re-articulation.

Or, it wagers that one can repeat at the postmodern level the classical Marxist gesture of enacting the ‘determinate negation’ of capitalism: with today’s rise of ‘cognitive work’, the contradiction between social production and capitalist relations has become starker than ever, rendering possible for the first time ‘absolute democracy’ (this would be Hardt and Negri’s position).

These positions are not presented as a way of avoiding some ‘true’ radical Left politics – what they are trying to get around is, indeed, the lack of such a position. This defeat of the Left is not the whole story of the last thirty years, however. There is another, no less surprising, lesson to be learned from the Chinese Communists’ presiding over arguably the most explosive development of capitalism in history, and from the growth of West European Third Way social democracy. It is, in short: we can do it better. In the UK, the Thatcher revolution was, at the time, chaotic and impulsive, marked by unpredictable contingencies. It was Tony Blair who was able to institutionalise it, or, in Hegel’s terms, to raise (what first appeared as) a contingency, a historical accident, into a necessity. Thatcher wasn’t a Thatcherite, she was merely herself; it was Blair (more than Major) who truly gave form to Thatcherism.

The response of some critics on the postmodern Left to this predicament is to call for a new politics of resistance. Those who still insist on fighting state power, let alone seizing it, are accused of remaining stuck within the ‘old paradigm’: the task today, their critics say, is to resist state power by withdrawing from its terrain and creating new spaces outside its control. This is, of course, the obverse of accepting the triumph of capitalism. The politics of resistance is nothing but the moralising supplement to a Third Way Left.

Simon Critchley’s recent book, Infinitely Demanding, is an almost perfect embodiment of this position. For Critchley, the liberal-democratic state is here to stay. Attempts to abolish the state failed miserably; consequently, the new politics has to be located at a distance from it: anti-war movements, ecological organisations, groups protesting against racist or sexist abuses, and other forms of local self-organisation. It must be a politics of resistance to the state, of bombarding the state with impossible demands, of denouncing the limitations of state mechanisms. The main argument for conducting the politics of resistance at a distance from the state hinges on the ethical dimension of the ‘infinitely demanding’ call for justice: no state can heed this call, since its ultimate goal is the ‘real-political’ one of ensuring its own reproduction (its economic growth, public safety, etc). ‘Of course,’ Critchley writes,

history is habitually written by the people with the guns and sticks and one cannot expect to defeat them with mocking satire and feather dusters. Yet, as the history of ultra-leftist active nihilism eloquently shows, one is lost the moment one picks up the guns and sticks. Anarchic political resistance should not seek to mimic and mirror the archic violent sovereignty it opposes.

So what should, say, the US Democrats do? Stop competing for state power and withdraw to the interstices of the state, leaving state power to the Republicans and start a campaign of anarchic resistance to it? And what would Critchley do if he were facing an adversary like Hitler? Surely in such a case one should ‘mimic and mirror the archic violent sovereignty’ one opposes? Shouldn’t the Left draw a distinction between the circumstances in which one would resort to violence in confronting the state, and those in which all one can and should do is use ‘mocking satire and feather dusters’? The ambiguity of Critchley’s position resides in a strange non sequitur: if the state is here to stay, if it is impossible to abolish it (or capitalism), why retreat from it? Why not act with(in) the state? Why not accept the basic premise of the Third Way? Why limit oneself to a politics which, as Critchley puts it, ‘calls the state into question and calls the established order to account, not in order to do away with the state, desirable though that might well be in some utopian sense, but in order to better it or attenuate its malicious effect’?

These words simply demonstrate that today’s liberal-democratic state and the dream of an ‘infinitely demanding’ anarchic politics exist in a relationship of mutual parasitism: anarchic agents do the ethical thinking, and the state does the work of running and regulating society. Critchley’s anarchic ethico-political agent acts like a superego, comfortably bombarding the state with demands; and the more the state tries to satisfy these demands, the more guilty it is seen to be. In compliance with this logic, the anarchic agents focus their protest not on open dictatorships, but on the hypocrisy of liberal democracies, who are accused of betraying their own professed principles.

The big demonstrations in London and Washington against the US attack on Iraq a few years ago offer an exemplary case of this strange symbiotic relationship between power and resistance. Their paradoxical outcome was that both sides were satisfied. The protesters saved their beautiful souls: they made it clear that they don’t agree with the government’s policy on Iraq. Those in power calmly accepted it, even profited from it: not only did the protests in no way prevent the already-made decision to attack Iraq; they also served to legitimise it. Thus George Bush’s reaction to mass demonstrations protesting his visit to London, in effect: ‘You see, this is what we are fighting for, so that what people are doing here – protesting against their government policy – will be possible also in Iraq!’

It is striking that the course on which Hugo Chávez has embarked since 2006 is the exact opposite of the one chosen by the postmodern Left: far from resisting state power, he grabbed it (first by an attempted coup, then democratically), ruthlessly using the Venezuelan state apparatuses to promote his goals. Furthermore, he is militarising the barrios, and organising the training of armed units there. And, the ultimate scare: now that he is feeling the economic effects of capital’s ‘resistance’ to his rule (temporary shortages of some goods in the state-subsidised supermarkets), he has announced plans to consolidate the 24 parties that support him into a single party. Even some of his allies are sceptical about this move: will it come at the expense of the popular movements that have given the Venezuelan revolution its élan? However, this choice, though risky, should be fully endorsed: the task is to make the new party function not as a typical state socialist (or Peronist) party, but as a vehicle for the mobilisation of new forms of politics (like the grass roots slum committees). What should we say to someone like Chávez? ‘No, do not grab state power, just withdraw, leave the state and the current situation in place’? Chávez is often dismissed as a clown – but wouldn’t such a withdrawal just reduce him to a version of Subcomandante Marcos, whom many Mexican leftists now refer to as ‘Subcomediante Marcos’? Today, it is the great capitalists – Bill Gates, corporate polluters, fox hunters – who ‘resist’ the state.

The lesson here is that the truly subversive thing is not to insist on ‘infinite’ demands we know those in power cannot fulfil. Since they know that we know it, such an ‘infinitely demanding’ attitude presents no problem for those in power: ‘So wonderful that, with your critical demands, you remind us what kind of world we would all like to live in. Unfortunately, we live in the real world, where we have to make do with what is possible.’ The thing to do is, on the contrary, to bombard those in power with strategically well-selected, precise, finite demands, which can’t be met with the same excuse.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v29/n22/zize01_.html

meganmonkey
11-14-2007, 08:50 PM
I made it about halfway through and now I need to roll a cig and pour a scotch before I can read any further. I'm not sure I want to know where this one's gonna go.

:shock:

meganmonkey
11-14-2007, 09:09 PM
Is this an excerpt from the Parallax View? Or was that a stand alone essay?

If it is the former, I am intrigued.

If it is the latter, I am confused.

chlamor
11-14-2007, 09:13 PM
I made it about halfway through and now I need to roll a cig and pour a scotch before I can read any further. I'm not sure I want to know where this one's gonna go.

:shock:

Yeah:

From the same guy:

The big demonstrations in London and Washington against the US attack on Iraq a few years ago offer an exemplary case of this strange symbiotic relationship between power and resistance. Their paradoxical outcome was that both sides were satisfied. The protesters saved their beautiful souls: they made it clear that they don’t agree with the government’s policy on Iraq. Those in power calmly accepted it, even profited from it: not only did the protests in no way prevent the already-made decision to attack Iraq; they also served to legitimise it. Thus George Bush’s reaction to mass demonstrations protesting his visit to London, in effect: ‘You see, this is what we are fighting for, so that what people are doing here – protesting against their government policy – will be possible also in Iraq!’

Now if you don't mind a personal story.

I was about ten at the time as our family head from Chicago to St. Louis to meet up with cousins and then the lot of us head to Lake of the Ozarks for the usual wild family reunion summer vacation at Blue Summit Resort. A rather squalid moldy cobbled stone cottage awaited us all, along with Harold the permanently tanned and permanently drunk proprietor of said "resort."

Well all the little hoodlums were reunited, myself, my older brothers and the Gordon boys, our cousins. Two family's with 8 disobedient boys and two tawdry teenage girls. And then there was "Petey" the puny and fiery matriarch of the whole clan, my grandmother- Carmelita Linhares.

So we're all sitting around the picnic table outside our stone cottage while the sundry meats were being cued by my father and Uncle Joe. Anheiser-Busch products were flowing, even aunt Antoinette drank on this holiday, and the kids sensing the adults usual tensions were eased took to pranking and ridiculing openly towards the adults.

As we teased them more and more cousin Paul, 14 years old at the time, got up the courage to stand on the picnic table and boldly announce to the family crowd, "You know one day the younger generation is going to take over!" Carmelita, all 4 feet 11 and 95 pounds of her, responded with no hesitation as she knocked him off the table with a swift, frenetic swipe of her bony arm, "Not While I'm Around!!"

Everyone of us was laughing in stitches as Paul just lay there stunned.

The story never died.

RIP Petey.

chlamor
11-14-2007, 09:24 PM
Is this an excerpt from the Parallax View? Or was that a stand alone essay?

If it is the former, I am intrigued.

If it is the latter, I am confused.

No idea. Just came across it at RigInt and was interested in what y'all think.

Never heard about the guy before this. The guy sure knows how to write a title.

The Parallax View
Slavoj Zizek

Series Foreword ix
Introduction: Dialectical Materialism at the Gates
Download Chapter as PDF Sample Chapter - Download PDF (70 KB) 2
I The Stellar Parallax: The Traps of Ontological Difference 15
1 The Subject, This "Inwardly Circumcised Jew"
The Tickling Object. The Kantian Parallax. The Birth of (Hegelian) Concrete Universality out of the Spirit of (Kantian) Antinomies. The Master-Signifier and Its Vicissitudes. Soave sia il vento... The Parallax of the Critique of Political Economy. 16
2 Building Blocks for a Materialist Theology
A Boy Meets the Lady. Kierkegaard as a Hegelian. Die Versagung. The Traps of Pure Sacrifice. The Difficulty of Being a Kantian. The Comedy of Incarnation. Odradek as a Political Category. Too Much Life! 68
Interlude I: Kate's Choice, or, The Materialism of Henry James 124
II The Solar Parallax: The Unbearable Lightness of Being No One 145
3 The Unbearable Heaviness of Being Divine Shit
Burned by the Sun. Pick Up Your Cave! Copernicus, Darwin, Freud and Many Others. Toward a New Science of Appearances. Resistances to Disenchantment. When the God Comes Around. The Desublimated Object of Post-Ideology. Danger? What Danger? 146
4 The Loop of Freedom
"Positing the Presuppositions". A Cognitivist Hegel? The False Opacity. Emotions Lie, or, Where Damasio is Wrong. Hegel, Marx, Denett. From Physics to Design? The Unconscious Act of Freedom. The Language of Seduction, the Seduction of Language. 200
Interlude 2: Objet Petit A in Social Links, or, The Impasses of Anti-Anti-Semitism 252
III The Lunar Parallax: Toward a Politics of Subtraction 271
5 From Surplus-Value to Surplus-Power
Ontic Errance, Ontological Truth. Gelassenheit? No Thanks! Toward the Theory of the Stalinist Musical. The Biopolitical Parallax. The Historicity of the Four Discourses. Jouissance as a Political Category. Do We Still Live in a World? 272
6 The Obscene Knot of Ideology, and How to Untie It
The Academic Rumspringa, or, the Parallax of Power and Resistance. Human Rights versus the Rights of the Inhuman. Violence Enframed. The Ignorance of the Chicken. Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Fundamentalism? Over the Rainbow Coalition!... 330
Notes 387
Index
Download Chapter as PDF Sample Chapter - Download PDF (46 KB) 431

http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/de ... 2&mode=toc (http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=10762&mode=toc)

meganmonkey
11-14-2007, 09:33 PM
Why do I find it inevitable that not only do you have a grandmother named Carmelita, but you called her Petey?

Thanks for the story, Otis :wink:

RIP Petey.

And at risk of getting too far off topic, I really would like to say RIP Pop-pop, the patriarch of my family. My mom's dad. Nana (who passed away 15 yrs ago) called him Dick. My sis and I thought that was pretty hilarious. Pop-pop passed away 2 weeks ago today, on Halloween. He woulda turned 97 2 days later. Ninety fucking seven. Whatta guy.

Mistermonkey asked him a couple years ago what he though about the war and the elections and the general state of things. Pop-pop looked at us with his piercing (albeit a little watery) blue eyes and said "It's pretty bad, isn't it? But it won't last forever. Things'll change."

That sorta brings us back to the topic :)

meganmonkey
11-14-2007, 10:07 PM
Is this an excerpt from the Parallax View? Or was that a stand alone essay?

If it is the former, I am intrigued.

If it is the latter, I am confused.

No idea. Just came across it at RigInt and was interested in what y'all think.

Never heard about the guy before this. The guy sure knows how to write a title.


He sure does...

The Unbearable Heaviness of Being Divine Shit

Heh heh.

The first section, the "Or, ..." stuff, seemed so accurate it made me want to run and hide (thus the scotch, lol).



The second part was interesting but seemed very incomplete (which is why I thought it may be an excerpt). I sorta get what he is saying with the Chavez example as far as the efforts to give real powers to people, eg neighborhood councils, as opposed to state-socialism/top-down. But I don't grasp how that in itself leads to the conclusion in his last paragraph, "the lesson here...". Admittedly there is much about Chavez' rise to power that I may not be aware of, but is it characterized as "...bombard(ing) those in power with strategically well-selected, precise, finite demands..."?

It's like he boils it down into something so obvious that it flew right over my head without me noticing. Either it's an excerpt or I'm totally clueless, lol.

But it certainly piqued my interest. It makes me want to read more, at least.

Wonder what Kid and/or Anax have to say about the author? I have a feeling they'll have an opinion.

Two Americas
11-14-2007, 11:12 PM
He is talking about the utter uselessness of Code Pink and other liberal organizations, and the anti-war movement because they are avoiding the issue of power.

This describes the realtionship between those on power and the liberal "resistance" organizations well:

"The big demonstrations in London and Washington against the US attack on Iraq a few years ago offer an exemplary case of this strange symbiotic relationship between power and resistance. Their paradoxical outcome was that both sides were satisfied. The protesters saved their beautiful souls: they made it clear that they don’t agree with the government’s policy on Iraq. Those in power calmly accepted it, even profited from it: not only did the protests in no way prevent the already-made decision to attack Iraq; they also served to legitimise it."

Liberals get to "save their soul." Power is unaffected. Nothing changes. The time and attention and resources that could be used by a true and effective resistance movement are monopolized by this phony resistance. People talking of genuine resistance are a threat to the liberals, so they must attack and silence the left to protect their own positions.

anaxarchos
11-14-2007, 11:52 PM
Where do you all come up with these characters, one right after the other?

I fuckin' give up.

Kid of the Black Hole
11-15-2007, 12:06 AM
Wonder what Kid and/or Anax have to say about the author? I have a feeling they'll have an opinion.

Its funny, because we've talked about him before.

Anax doesn't trust any of the Eastern European "Marxists". Or is that Western European Marxists..OK, lets just go with European Marxists lol

And, this guy is a theory wonk. If my old threads are still available here you should be able to search for him and see for yourself.

Zizek himself is more than a little screwy..he's very much interested in pop culture (especially movies and analysis), psychology (especially Frued and Lacan, which makes zero sense in a Marxist context), technology (the little bit in the article above about "cognitive workers was the barest hint on that), and also Marxist theory. His writings tend to be as obtuse as some of the titles Chlamor quoted -- x10. Like, if you were taking classes in Marxist philosophy you'd probably slog through his writings on the subject. If you came out of that alive you'd probably get an 'A' (but then how hard is it to follow the formula: write some insane shit, then rewrite it so it makes less sense in more words. Repeat. Submit to your asshole advisor) and definitely be insane.

Regarding the Middle East, I think his position is that there needs to be a European counterweight there. I don't know for sure or have specifics but he catches alot of flak from the "Left" along those lines.

Lastly, his multiple references to postmodernism are not accidental, hes very much an academic philosopher and, basically at this point, gets paid to run his yap. (He's something of a "rockstar" in his field -- as an example, my brother in poli sci had heard of Zizek via his profs)

Oh, yeah, hes also into religion..kinda sorta. Half the time he shows a remarkable breadth and depth of study and thought (see the first half of this article). The other half the time he might as well be writing drunk because he clearly only tangentially knows what he's talking about (second half).

No, I don't necessarily think uniting all of the pro-Chavez parties in Venezuela is a good idea, one needs only look at the toothlessness of the state controlled Communist Party in Cuba. Chavez is running a country -- that is going to automatically entail some things that NEED to be criticized and protested and argued about by his own side (such as oil revenue and what that all means).

Kid of the Black Hole
11-15-2007, 12:09 AM
Where do you all come up with these characters, one right after the other?

I fuckin' give up.

I'd just like to point out that I didn't post this

;)

chlamor
11-15-2007, 09:18 AM
Where do you all come up with these characters, one right after the other?

I fuckin' give up.

It was posted specifically with you in mind. Didn't want to let on thought you'd run with it.

See ya' there.

anaxarchos
11-15-2007, 10:33 AM
Where do you all come up with these characters, one right after the other?

I fuckin' give up.

It was posted specifically with you in mind. Didn't want to let on thought you'd run with it.

See ya' there.

Where am I going to run to, chlamor? Every "assumption", every "observation", and every word is self-indulgent crapola. And, there is an endless cast of these characters. Here is the real solution to peak oil - an renewable supply of buffalo chips to warm the toes on those chilly, brown-out nights...

Zizek has the "historical perspective" of a mayfly. History begins at the moment of his puberty and ends at the inevitable dawn of his disenchantment. "I'm sad", he says, "...maybe Kierkegaard was right." It's all Dostoyevsky, but without talent.

Meanwhile, in a mixed genre, a Greek Chorus appears: "Everything is different... Everything is new... and 'improved' just for us."

It's a new capitalism, doncha see? It's "shock capitalism"... That is clearly a new form... It's much more... more... well, shocking, than the old...

Fuckin' 50s Madison Avenue with politics in the role of Improved, Extra-Whitening Gleem.

Old anax is off the track again... I keep dreamin' about John Brown.

Must be a traditionalist.
.

Kid of the Black Hole
11-15-2007, 12:12 PM
Where do you all come up with these characters, one right after the other?

I fuckin' give up.

It was posted specifically with you in mind. Didn't want to let on thought you'd run with it.

See ya' there.

I actually thought Mike would be more likely to tote this one. This is definitely not Anax's cup of tea lol I don't know who he's really purporting to analyze in the beginning of this piece because its definitely not some united Marxist front. Read as a general criticism of liberals its OK though and no psychoanalysis bullshit in sight -- did I mention I'm Lacan Intolerant (hey, Anax had his chance to drop that one, its all mine now)

Two Americas
11-15-2007, 05:57 PM
Where do you all come up with these characters, one right after the other?

I fuckin' give up.

It was posted specifically with you in mind. Didn't want to let on thought you'd run with it.

See ya' there.

Where am I going to run to, chlamor? Every "assumption", every "observation", and every word is self-indulgent crapola. And, there is an endless cast of these characters. Here is the real solution to peak oil - an renewable supply of buffalo chips to warm the toes on those chilly, brown-out nights...

Zizek has the "historical perspective" of a mayfly. History begins at the moment of his puberty and ends at the inevitable dawn of his disenchantment. "I'm sad", he says, "...maybe Kierkegaard was right." It's all Dostoyevsky, but without talent.

Meanwhile, in a mixed genre, a Greek Chorus appears: "Everything is different... Everything is new... and 'improved' just for us."

It's a new capitalism, doncha see? It's "shock capitalism"... That is clearly a new form... It's much more... more... well, shocking, than the old...

Fuckin' 50s Madison Avenue with politics in the role of Improved, Extra-Whitening Gleem.

Old anax is off the track again... I keep dreamin' about John Brown.

Must be a traditionalist.
.

ROFL.

Hey, I grabbed a little something useful out of it and moved on.

chlamor
11-15-2007, 06:24 PM
Where do you all come up with these characters, one right after the other?

I fuckin' give up.

It was posted specifically with you in mind. Didn't want to let on thought you'd run with it.

See ya' there.

Where am I going to run to, chlamor? Every "assumption", every "observation", and every word is self-indulgent crapola. And, there is an endless cast of these characters. Here is the real solution to peak oil - an renewable supply of buffalo chips to warm the toes on those chilly, brown-out nights...

Zizek has the "historical perspective" of a mayfly. History begins at the moment of his puberty and ends at the inevitable dawn of his disenchantment. "I'm sad", he says, "...maybe Kierkegaard was right." It's all Dostoyevsky, but without talent.

Meanwhile, in a mixed genre, a Greek Chorus appears: "Everything is different... Everything is new... and 'improved' just for us."

It's a new capitalism, doncha see? It's "shock capitalism"... That is clearly a new form... It's much more... more... well, shocking, than the old...

Fuckin' 50s Madison Avenue with politics in the role of Improved, Extra-Whitening Gleem.

Old anax is off the track again... I keep dreamin' about John Brown.

Must be a traditionalist.
.

My take on this is pretty simple. In fact I'd say that when I read it the first thing that came to mind, albeit with a different interpretation, was the various meanderings of Libertarian ideologues.

In short I get the sense that the guy is giving it all he's got saying everything that can possibly be said at any given time. Certainly to be a stellar attraction at the coffeehouse.

And what's neat is that he's got some pretty good lines and actually touches upon some interesting ideas. To take the pains to deconstruct someone like this would inevitably lead you to madness. Not even his mother understands him anymore.

But I do think it is interesting that this guy is somewhat of a "celebrity thinker" in the same way Libertarianism is now in vogue. The interesting aspect of this being "What does this tell us about the fashionable and popular world of 'high ideas'?"

Kid of the Black Hole
11-15-2007, 07:00 PM
Where do you all come up with these characters, one right after the other?

I fuckin' give up.

It was posted specifically with you in mind. Didn't want to let on thought you'd run with it.

See ya' there.

Where am I going to run to, chlamor? Every "assumption", every "observation", and every word is self-indulgent crapola. And, there is an endless cast of these characters. Here is the real solution to peak oil - an renewable supply of buffalo chips to warm the toes on those chilly, brown-out nights...

Zizek has the "historical perspective" of a mayfly. History begins at the moment of his puberty and ends at the inevitable dawn of his disenchantment. "I'm sad", he says, "...maybe Kierkegaard was right." It's all Dostoyevsky, but without talent.

Meanwhile, in a mixed genre, a Greek Chorus appears: "Everything is different... Everything is new... and 'improved' just for us."

It's a new capitalism, doncha see? It's "shock capitalism"... That is clearly a new form... It's much more... more... well, shocking, than the old...

Fuckin' 50s Madison Avenue with politics in the role of Improved, Extra-Whitening Gleem.

Old anax is off the track again... I keep dreamin' about John Brown.

Must be a traditionalist.
.

My take on this is pretty simple. In fact I'd say that when I read it the first thing that came to mind, albeit with a different interpretation, was the various meanderings of Libertarian ideologues.

In short I get the sense that the guy is giving it all he's got saying everything that can possibly be said at any given time. Certainly to be a stellar attraction at the coffeehouse.

And what's neat is that he's got some pretty good lines and actually touches upon some interesting ideas. To take the pains to deconstruct someone like this would inevitably lead you to madness. Not even his mother understands him anymore.

But I do think it is interesting that this guy is somewhat of a "celebrity thinker" in the same way Libertarianism is now in vogue. The interesting aspect of this being "What does this tell us about the fashionable and popular world of 'high ideas'?"

Haha, this thread was brilliant just for that piece of analysis alone.

Two Americas
11-15-2007, 07:21 PM
But I do think it is interesting that this guy is somewhat of a "celebrity thinker" in the same way Libertarianism is now in vogue.

Off to the asshole gallery with him then.

Kid of the Black Hole
11-15-2007, 07:21 PM
Where do you all come up with these characters, one right after the other?

I fuckin' give up.

It was posted specifically with you in mind. Didn't want to let on thought you'd run with it.

See ya' there.

Where am I going to run to, chlamor? Every "assumption", every "observation", and every word is self-indulgent crapola. And, there is an endless cast of these characters. Here is the real solution to peak oil - an renewable supply of buffalo chips to warm the toes on those chilly, brown-out nights...

Zizek has the "historical perspective" of a mayfly. History begins at the moment of his puberty and ends at the inevitable dawn of his disenchantment. "I'm sad", he says, "...maybe Kierkegaard was right." It's all Dostoyevsky, but without talent.

Meanwhile, in a mixed genre, a Greek Chorus appears: "Everything is different... Everything is new... and 'improved' just for us."

It's a new capitalism, doncha see? It's "shock capitalism"... That is clearly a new form... It's much more... more... well, shocking, than the old...

Fuckin' 50s Madison Avenue with politics in the role of Improved, Extra-Whitening Gleem.

Old anax is off the track again... I keep dreamin' about John Brown.

Must be a traditionalist.
.

Ohh, Ohh, I know! Zizek is really Rodya who is really being ghost-written by Kierkegaard which threw Adorno for a total loop (like anyone would know the difference on that count). Maybe he'll meet Col Klink in Siberia..