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Kid of the Black Hole
07-05-2009, 11:54 AM
link here (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/5742937/The-unemployment-timebomb-is-quietly-ticking.html)

One dog has yet to bark in this long winding crisis. Beyond riots in Athens and a Baltic bust-up, we have not seen evidence of bitter political protest as the slump eats away at the legitimacy of governing elites in North America, Europe, and Japan. It may just be a matter of time.


By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Published: 8:45PM BST 04 Jul 2009

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One of my odd experiences covering the US in the early 1990s was visiting militia groups that sprang up in Texas, Idaho, and Ohio in the aftermath of recession. These were mostly blue-collar workers, – early victims of global "labour arbitrage" – angry enough with Washington to spend weekends in fatigues with M16 rifles. Most backed protest candidate Ross Perot, who won 19pc of the presidential vote in 1992 with talk of shutting trade with Mexico.

The inchoate protest dissipated once recovery fed through to jobs, although one fringe group blew up the Oklahoma City Federal Building in 1995. Unfortunately, there will be no such jobs this time. Capacity use has fallen to record-low levels (68pc in the US, 71 in the eurozone). A deep purge of labour is yet to come.

The shocker last week was not just that the US lost 467,000 jobs in May, but also that time worked fell 6.9pc from a year earlier, dropping to 33 hours a week. "At no time in the 1990 or 2001 recessions did we ever come close to seeing such a detonating jobs figure," said David Rosenberg from Glukin Sheff. "We have lost a record nine million full-time jobs this cycle."

Earnings have fallen at a 1.6pc annual rate over the last three months. Wage deflation is setting in – like Japan. Interestingly, The International Labour Organisation is worried enough to push for a global pact, fearing countries may set off a ruinous spiral by chipping away at wages try to gain beggar-thy-neighbour advantage.

Some of the US pay cuts are disguised. Over 238,000 state workers in California have been working two days less a month without pay since February. Variants of this are happening in 22 states.

The Centre for Labour Market Studies (CLMS) in Boston says US unemployment is now 18.2pc, counting the old-fashioned way. The reason why this does not "feel" like the 1930s is that we tend to compress the chronology of the Depression. It takes time for people to deplete their savings and sink into destitution. Perhaps our greater cushion of wealth today will prevent another Grapes of Wrath, but 20m US homeowners are already in negative equity (zillow.com data). Evictions are running at a terrifying pace.

Some 342,000 homes were foreclosed in April, pushing a small army of children into a network of charity shelters. This compares to 273,000 homes lost in the entire year of 1932. Sheriffs in Michigan and Illinois are quietly refusing to toss families on to the streets, like the non-compliance of Catholic police in the Slump.

Europe is a year or so behind, but catching up fast. Unemployment has reached 18.7pc in Spain (37pc for youths), and 16.3pc in Latvia. Germany has delayed the cliff-edge effect by paying companies to keep furloughed workers through "Kurzarbeit". Germany's "Wise Men" fear that the jobless rate will jump from 3.7m to 5.1m by next year. The OECD expects unemployment to reach 57m in the rich countries by the end of next year.

This is the deadly lag effect. What is so disturbing is that governments have not even begun the spending squeeze that must come to stop their countries spiralling into a debt compound trap.

French president Nicolas Sarkozy, with a good nose for popular moods, says: "We must overhaul everything. We cannot have a system of rentiers and social dumping under globalisation. Either we have justice or we will have violence. It is a chimera to think that this crisis is just a footnote and that we can carry on as before."

The message has not reached Wall Street or the City. If bankers know what is good for them, they will take a teacher's salary for a few years until the storm passes. If they proceed with the bonuses now on the table, even as taxpayers pay for the errors of their caste, they must expect a ferocious backlash.

We are fortunate that the US has a new president enjoying a great reservoir of sympathy, and a clean-broom Congress. Other nations must limp on with carcass governments: Germany's paralysed Left-Right coalition, the burned-out relics of Japan's LDP, and Labour's death march in Britain. Some are taking precautions: Silvio Berlusconi is trying to emasculate Italy's parliament (with little protest) while the Kremlin has activated "anti-crisis" units to nip protest in the bud.

We are moving into Phase II of the Great Unwinding. It may be time to put away our texts of Keynes, Friedman, and Fisher, so useful for Phase 1, and start studying what happened to society when global unemployment went haywire in 1932.

runs with scissors
07-06-2009, 12:38 AM
There's something strange about all this.

I don't know about Europe, but from a US perspective (mine) I keep scratching my head over the way the press has started reporting jobs losses here. It's like a monthly terror threat level - as a way of explaining why things are fucked up, and we should expect things to continue getting more fucked up, because of those monthly numbers, because we're losing jobs.

There's something creepy about it. The US has been hemorrhaging good paying jobs for decades. In my working class/working poor neighborhood most people ARE 'working.' But we're essentially going under anyway.

I keep thinking about Anax's posts and I think 'Why not just pay everybody regardless of whether or not they're 'working?' Yeah, why not? These bullshit low wage JOBS we've got now aren't THE ANSWER. Why not a basic income?

Thanks for posting this, Kid. It's interesting.

Sarkozy: "Either we have justice or we will have violence." Maybe in France. Here? I don't know.

anaxarchos
07-06-2009, 01:12 AM
There's something strange about all this.

I don't know about Europe, but from a US perspective (mine) I keep scratching my head over the way the press has started reporting jobs losses here. It's like a monthly terror threat level - as a way of explaining why things are fucked up, and we should expect things to continue getting more fucked up, because of those monthly numbers, because we're losing jobs.

There's something creepy about it. The US has been hemorrhaging good paying jobs for decades. In my working class/working poor neighborhood most people ARE 'working.' But we're essentially going under anyway.

I keep thinking about Anax's posts and I think 'Why not just pay everybody regardless of whether or not they're 'working?' Yeah, why not? These bullshit low wage JOBS we've got now aren't THE ANSWER. Why not a basic income?

Thanks for posting this, Kid. It's interesting.

Sarkozy: "Either we have justice or we will have violence." Maybe in France. Here? I don't know.


This article is a right-wing, "Financial Times" type of commentary (The Telegraph). Part of what they are saying is that they keep waiting for the "other shoe" to drop. We are that other shoe and so far... not much. The article is right though, that time is not on their side.

You are right as well. The issue isn't just "jobs" but "What kind"?
For 40 to 60% of America, there ain't no "good jobs" on the horizon... not even in 10 years.

That thing I stole off the web WILL BE the issue of the day, if not this year then next.

Check this shit out:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/05/biden-ignores-warnings-of_n_225888.html

http://media.2theadvocate.com/images/unemployed021106.jpg

Kid of the Black Hole
07-06-2009, 04:19 AM
Sorry, was going to add some commentary but my internet connection was off and on today and I was debating whether to post this somewhere else. I had a threefold idea of what this article signifies.

1. if you read the comments posted on the website regarding this article, they to a man found it a refreshing changeup from the omnipresent, overbearing media cheerleading about "green shoots" etc. That alone says something that deserves mention.

2. there is sort of a tacit admission in the article that "they" are scared that all hell is about to break loose although it is expressed in a rather directionless/ambivalent and removed manner (Ross Perot "militia-men"..huh?)

3. this guy is talking about jobs in spite of himself..while this article is not the best representative from this writer since the theme is quite muted (relatively speaking), what he really wants to talk about is the "debt compound trap" and all of the other tripe thats more ubiquitous than the air we breathe right now. In other words, the question he is most cconcerned with is how banks and finance best extricate themselves from this mess (with a side of fuck everyone else)? If you read his other recent articles this is much more apparent although I wasn't expecting anyone to do that (they're garbage). The odd and noteworthy thing is..he can't bring himself to do it here except with a few passing shots and oblique references.

Even look at some of the sites Chlamor reposts articles from (world socialst website for instance, and "socialists" more generally)..its always framed in terms of the crisis of the banks, options coming due, blah blah.

The question as always is Cui Bono?

PS gotta tell ya, Runs, you're about the sharpest commentator I've seen regarding this issue. Saw you getting into it with the shit-talker over at PI. Fuck that bozo.

Kid of the Black Hole
07-07-2009, 01:41 PM
The stiglitz article in the July Vanity Fair (I guess its in the print edition) is crazy. he spends the first part explaining at some length how globalization (a word he does not use) and "market fundamentalism (a word he repeatedly uses) have completely failed, pushed 100s of millions more into poverty and destitution, ruined the Third World, and created a situation where the old polarized world looks better than ever in retrospect

The second half of the article however, discusses threats to American security and global dominance (based on all of the above), the need to restore faith in "the market" and "democracy" and admiration for "America". Its like he failed to read his own article up to that point.

EDIT: adding link

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/07/third-world-debt200907?currentPage=1

EDIT2: for those who didn't click on it, I was tying this in with the huffingtonpost link above

runs with scissors
07-08-2009, 02:59 AM
The stiglitz article in the July Vanity Fair (I guess its in the print edition) is crazy. he spends the first part explaining at some length how globalization (a word he does not use) and "market fundamentalism (a word he repeatedly uses) have completely failed, pushed 100s of millions more into poverty and destitution, ruined the Third World, and created a situation where the old polarized world looks better than ever in retrospect

The second half of the article however, discusses threats to American security and global dominance (based on all of the above), the need to restore faith in "the market" and "democracy" and admiration for "America". Its like he failed to read his own article up to that point.

EDIT: adding link

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/07/third-world-debt200907?currentPage=1

EDIT2: for those who didn't click on it, I was tying this in with the huffingtonpost link above


Interesting catch! It does read like two different articles.

I'm not sure I understand what he means here:


The inevitable downturns, hard to manage in any case, but especially so by governments brought to power on the basis of rage against American-style capitalism, will lead to more poverty. The consequences for global stability and American security are obvious.

I take it he's not talking about South America? What, the Middle East, Eastern Europe?

anaxarchos
07-09-2009, 12:34 AM
The Stiglitz article in the July Vanity Fair (I guess its in the print edition) is crazy. he spends the first part explaining at some length how globalization (a word he does not use) and "market fundamentalism (a word he repeatedly uses) have completely failed, pushed 100s of millions more into poverty and destitution, ruined the Third World, and created a situation where the old polarized world looks better than ever in retrospect

The second half of the article however, discusses threats to American security and global dominance (based on all of the above), the need to restore faith in "the market" and "democracy" and admiration for "America". Its like he failed to read his own article up to that point.

EDIT: adding link

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/07/third-world-debt200907?currentPage=1

EDIT2: for those who didn't click on it, I was tying this in with the huffingtonpost link above


The ultimate 21st Century Schizoid Man is a Neo-Keynesian. Krugman is exactly the same. The Keynesian analysis (its not a misnomer; they do have an "analysis" of a sort) forces a hard headed estimate of the real conditions. The "neo" part comes in with a softer, gentler bourgeois program intended to "save the situation". Keynes threw up his hands on the situation.

Take a look at the bookend to the Stiglitz Vanity piece in his earlier domestic Vanity piece (November 2008):

Part 1 - Analysis: We are fucked.
Part 2 - Prescription: We should fill potholes.

The fucker is smart though... I've been working on the exact same article, right down to the Fukuyama reference. 'Course my conclusions will be exactly different and in the end, nobody will read or understand the Stiglitz Vanity piece.

Vanity Fair is sorta the New Yorker coffee table decoration of the modern age, unless they write about celebrities (and especially when there are pictures).

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aeKED8wOQzw/RoTe4GFvfpI/AAAAAAAAAck/FbPuzJfKqR4/s400/King_Crimson_-_In_The_Court_Of_The_Crimson_King_-_Front.jpg

Kid of the Black Hole
07-09-2009, 01:36 AM
The fucker is smart though... I've been working on the exact same article, right down to the Fukuyama reference.

It kinda hit me that way, which was weirding me out

choppedliver
07-09-2009, 05:20 PM
The fucker is smart though... I've been working on the exact same article, right down to the Fukuyama reference.

It kinda hit me that way, which was weirding me out


Maybe he's lurking here... ;)

anaxarchos
07-09-2009, 05:23 PM
The fucker is smart though... I've been working on the exact same article, right down to the Fukuyama reference.

It kinda hit me that way, which was weirding me out


Maybe he's lurking here... ;)


Well, apparently Jonathan Turley has been lurking on PopIndy. Why not Stiglitz?

Hey Joe, if you are listening... you are still a chickenshit.