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Virgil
08-23-2008, 08:16 PM
http://www.zcommunications.org/zspace/commentaries/3595
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By now, across the progressive spectrum, some familiar storylines tell us the meaning of the Obama campaign. In a groove, each narrative digs its truths. But whether those particular truths are the most important at this historical moment is another story.

We can set aside the plotline that touts Obama as a visionary pragmatist who has earned the complete trust of progressives. The belief has diminished in recent months -- in the wake of numerous Obama pronouncements on foreign policy, his FISA vote to damage the Fourth Amendment and the like -- but such belief was never really grounded in his record as a politician or his policy positions.

A more substantial narrative concedes that Obama has "compromised" on numerous fronts but assumes he has done so in order to get elected president, after which time his real self will emerge. This kind of dubious projection is as old as the political hills, and inevitably becomes a kind of murky exercise in armchair psychology. All in all, projection is not useful for assessing where political leaders are and where they're headed.

In contrast, quite a few on the left -- some from the outset of his presidential race, others beginning more recently -- express appreciable disdain for the Obama campaign. The critiques of Obama's positions on issues are often on the mark. Overall, the fact that Obama brings civility and intelligence to public discourse that would be a welcome change in the White House does not alter the corporate centrist core of his espoused policies.

No matter how much we might like to think that people's reasoning and logic are the essence of political judgments, actual experience tells us different: The political stances of many people, including on the left, are contoured around their own internal emotional terrain. And there may not be a lot of sorting through contradictions or analysis of the current historical circumstances.

Yet we're in great need of willingness to acknowledge contradictory truths, to sort through them as a means of finding the best progressive strategies for the here and now. While some attacks on Obama from the left are overheated, overly ideological and mechanistic, there's scant basis for denying the reality that his campaign and his positions are way too cozy with corporate power. Meanwhile, his embrace of escalating the war in Afghanistan reflects acceptance rather than rejection of what Martin Luther King Jr. called "the madness of militarism."

To some, who evidently see voting as an act of moral witness rather than pragmatic choice (even in a general election), forces such as corporate power or militarism are binary -- like a toggle switch -- either totally on or totally off. This outlook says: either we reject entirely or we're complicit.

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ellenr
08-26-2008, 04:09 AM
Also available here: http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/08/18/11047/
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I especially liked the end:
"In an odd and ironic way, progressives who are unequivocal Obama boosters and unequivocal Obama bashers embrace similar concepts of limited alternatives in electoral work. They seem to rule out candidly critical support of a candidate -- viewing such an option as either a betrayal of the candidate or a betrayal of principles.

But supporting one candidate -- clearly preferable to the Republican -- should not require a lack of candor about the preferred candidate's defects. And progressive interests are not advanced by claiming, against the evidence, that it doesn't really matter which candidate wins.

We suffer from way too much political argumentation that seems to be on automatic pilot, either puffing up Obama as a paragon of progressive virtues or denying the real differences between him and McCain. The pretending that follows from faith or dogma is no way to mobilize a progressive movement."

Virgil
08-26-2008, 09:19 AM
I would like to hear what is progressive about Obomem, because I don't see anything progressive about him.

maat
08-26-2008, 10:41 AM
because we could debate that forever, I agree with what Solomon says. One may decide that Obama would be better than McCain, predicting which judicial nominees he would submit to the Senate in the event of a vacancy, and vote for Obama on that basis. That should not, however, prevent one from criticizing the candidate, and holding his feet to the fire all along the way. I haven't decided what I am going to do.

exyellowdog
08-26-2008, 04:06 PM
On DU, Obama is a paragon of progressive virtues. At PI (hope I'm wrong but this seems the general sentiment), the differences between him and McCain are negligible. I don't get why people in general seem so incapable of accepting both that a) Obama's the only realistic alternative to continued Republican misrule and b) said alternative is not going to be anywhere near satisfactory to progressives and that we will constantly have to hold his feet to the fire AS WE FAILED TO DO WITH CLINTON.

davidgmills
08-26-2008, 08:32 PM
He sure has a much better chance of becoming one that McCain does.

And he might very well make some progressive picks for his cabinet or for the courts. No chance with McCain.

tlcandie
08-27-2008, 03:10 AM
them. I thought that we had learned that you can not change people. They are who they are.. accept it and move on.

If someone is abusing you and taking advantage of you or living in a way that goes against the grain of who you are in a moral sense, then is it not more beneficial to remove yourself from that situation rather than 'stick it out' and be the so called whipping post? I would think people would be tired of hanging around under the dinner table waiting for a pitiful handout or a possible crumb... there is a chance.. it is possible!

I just have to say that IF I were choosing a partner or a friend, I would not use that type of criteria to make my decision, so why would I use it for anything else?

tlcandie
08-27-2008, 06:37 AM
How will we hold his or anyone's feet to the fire when their feet are already held to the fire.. a much bigger fire... by corporations and criminal types in government already?

In order to get to this point, he's already tainted. Why people can not see this is beyond me.

soryang
08-27-2008, 05:12 PM
Because the notion that a "democratic" Senator with a law degree from Havard interprets the Constitution in such a way as to vote for the FISA legislation, vow undying fealty to AIPAC and the alliance of interests benefiting from unending war, and vote for faith based government subsidies makes me sick.

The sham choice presented by the presidential election is a desperate attempt to snatch legitimacy for a completely fraudulent political process. The fact the alleged choice being presented directly damages my interest in being governed by a constitutional government isn't "pragmatic" enough reason to refuse to be taken in by it. I guess I'm an ideologue because I believe he has to know he's violating his oath to defend and protect the Constitution.

maat
08-27-2008, 05:30 PM
It was INEXCUSABLE for Senator with a law degree from Harvard, who TAUGHT ConLaw, to vote for that bill. More importantly, it is INEXCUSABLE for that Senator to fail to mention THE ISSUE, which is that ALL of our communications are routed through the switching stations, so that "law enforcement" can FISH (go a'trollin' for something interesting without even a reasonable suspicion)!

I'm very disillusioned at the moment; all here have made valid points.

davidgmills
08-27-2008, 11:18 PM
You don't have a choice about whether or not there is a President.

Unless we have a revolution.

davidgmills
08-27-2008, 11:35 PM
Because to me the starkest difference between progressives and liberals is in our views on foreign policy and in our views of the constitution.

But we are not going to get a person with our foreign policy views or our constitutional views for president. That is not a choice we have.

I'm going to vote for the guy who is going to make America less bad. I am not going to vote for the guy who will make it far, far worse than the other guy will. But in my case it doesn't matter because the guy who is far, far worse is fifteen points ahead.

My vote won't count. But if there is a chance your vote will, maybe you should consider voting AGAINST the guy who is far, far worse.

We keep electing the worst of the evils and unfortunately the young no longer know what it was like when things were better. Pretty soon that history will be gone and there will be no frame of reference of better days.

tlcandie
08-28-2008, 05:41 AM
No choice as to marriage or not and no choice as to who your partner will be.. ONLY those provided/selected by your father.

davidgmills
08-28-2008, 06:05 AM
You can leave an arranged marriage and it will discontinue to exist.

You can't leave the presidency and make its existence go away. It will continue on. It is not dependent on your actions or inactions.

tlcandie
08-28-2008, 07:26 AM
and move on to another relationship... one that will actually bear fruit that is more to your tastes IF you so choose to put in the effort.

maat
08-28-2008, 08:31 PM
I keep those concerns in mind. I would like to be a purist, and vote for the platform with which I agree 110% (the Green Party), but I do NOT want McSame to get in; moreover, I do NOT agree that Obama and McCain are exactly the same.

I remain very conflicted.

soryang
09-01-2008, 01:23 PM
I don't believe that schrub was elected in 2000 or 2004. The democratic Congress was elected in 2006 against all odds and had no impact whatever on what ails the body politic. My view is that we let the current debacle continue on with whatever candidate inasmuch as the process is fraudulent and let them destroy themselves. They are 95% there already. A total political and economic diaster is in the cards which will bring about the overt and obvious manifestation of rule by force by those in power. Then the apologists for the so called "democratic" candidates will have no rationalizations left. I'm voting for Nader.