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anaxarchos
12-09-2009, 04:54 PM
Not one Democratic senator will act to filibuster this total fraud of a health care bill. They will all wrap themselves around the Medicare lie, just as they will wrap themselves around the "escalate to withdraw" lie for Afghanistan. The lie itself will not last two weeks but the Democrats will walk through the smoke with fingers stuck firmly in ears.
Not one... Not Fiengold. Not Sanders. Not anybody.
A few will vote against the bill but only after voting for cloture and assuring its passage. They will make pretty speeches: "We were betrayed", and continue on their way. The House "radicals" will cheer on the fraud... "We tried, but somethin' is better than nothin'..."
I almost feel for the believers.
http://buelahman.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/saupload_screwed.jpg
Kid of the Black Hole
12-09-2009, 05:02 PM
In one breath he says (verbatim) "we're fucked" and in the next he says "hey its better than nothing". He considers himself something of an authority on the matter since..he's read the bill (or so he claims). Hey, its his job (or so he tells me).
Guess we'll find out how he likes the old screwgi huh?
Whats with this new "compromise" floating where you can "buy in to the same plan as Congress gets" and Medicare eligibility is lowered to 55. Of course, thats in trade for no Government HMO (ie "public option") and God knows what else.
anaxarchos
12-09-2009, 08:28 PM
...the details are known, Medicare over 65 will be for $900 a month AND it will be restricted to a handful and the Congressional thing will be weighted down with lead ingots... and, then, you will have to go to Kandahar until 2011 (or maybe 2021)... so you can withdraw.
oops... mixed my metaphors.
The Left-Wing Dems are BY FAR the WORST liars and tools. They knew what they were going to do for months. They are trained for it... They are mutations evolved solely for the purpose of talking shit and pulling the plug at the last second.
Kid of the Black Hole
12-09-2009, 09:30 PM
that Obama is going to CLOSE the donut hole for Part D drug coverage. Yeah fucking right. Whats worse, no one actually understands how insidious the damn thing is, because they have jury rigged the numbers so that people can't easily get their head around it. Its really, really difficult to explain to anyone how it works. It took me 10 minutes to explain it to a Medicare Advantage plan presenter today. She started by telling me I was full of crap and not making sense and it ended with her saying "Oh.." half quizically
I remember Newswolf used to bitch about Part D and he was so right..anyone who has to take Brand name drugs has a chance of hitting it..and once you fall in you, you are pretty much guaranteed to reach terminal velocity on the way down.
anaxarchos
12-14-2009, 07:52 PM
It's still a good bill... Even without the public option, without single payer, without Medicare. Lieberman doesn't matter. Nothing matters. It's the activists who got the Bill to this point. We have to pass it for the activists. It's a good Bill. It really is a good Bill. I'm disappointed but we have to be grown ups. We have to pass it for the activists. THE ACTIVISTS....
...and, and ...DOWN goes Frazier.
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Down goes Frazier.
http://sidelineguys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/down_goes_Frazier.jpg
Down goes Frazier.
http://sports.espn.go.com/photo/2006/0726/box_a_foreman_275.jpg
anaxarchos
12-14-2009, 08:24 PM
"This bill, without public option, without Medicare buy-in, is a giant step forward toward transforming American health care," said Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA). "That’s reality, there is enough good stuff in that bill that we should move ahead with it."
"There is still good stuff in this bill for changing the paradigm of health care in America," he said.
Good stuff... for the activists.
Down goes Harkin.
http://www.hydrolance.net/Common/SinkingOilShip-5.jpg
Down goes Harkin.
http://www.hydrolance.net/Common/SinkingOilShip-8.jpg
Down goes Harkin.
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Kid of the Black Hole
12-14-2009, 08:54 PM
..
anaxarchos
12-14-2009, 08:57 PM
“If you compared it to the alternative, it looks good,” said Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, Democrat of Rhode Island, about the prospect of moving ahead with a measure that does not have a public health insurance option. “If you compare it to the possibilities, it looks pretty sad.”
... while explaining why he will support "the Bill"... and...
Down goes Sheldon.
http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2008/10/77%20Dude%20Falling%20In%20Waterfall.jpg
Down goes Sheldon.
http://www.mindcafe.org/images/dream-meanings/falling.jpg
Down goes Sheldon.
http://iloverubbish.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/falling2.jpg
anaxarchos
12-14-2009, 09:19 PM
“It is not insignificant that this bill provides insurance to 31 million Americans who have no insurance. That is a huge step forward for our country. It is not insignificant that this legislation provides for major health insurance reform and finally outlaws some of the problems of the private insurance companies. This bill is strong on disease prevention. It says to families that young people will get coverage until they are 26 years old. All of those are very important steps forward,” Sanders said in a floor speech.
"The bottom line here is this bill has a number of very important features which I think will make life easier for a lot of our fellow Americans."
and, and, and...
Down goes Bernie.
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Down goes Bernie.
http://www.usm.maine.edu/~lsavage/UrbanGeographyProjects/Streetscapes%20Web/images/union_station%20collapsing.jpg
Down goes Bernie.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4oBKlv5UVEA/SHXWNMeax_I/AAAAAAAAAmk/0BvPgTbB-fw/s400/Building+Collapse+Bhopal.jpg
anaxarchos
12-14-2009, 09:50 PM
He spoke on the TV. Fucker talked too fast to take down verbatim, but I got the basic. The sumabitch also talks in an Edward G. Robinson accent.
Come to think of it...
http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2009/04/medium_sherrod-brown-senator-ohio.jpg
http://imagecache5.art.com/p/LRG/27/2769/XWJTD00Z/edward-g-robinson.jpg
anaxarchos
12-15-2009, 04:12 PM
Joe Lieberman "sabotaged" the bill... Well, shit, that means there is not a single Dem willing to take the other position and vote to kill because it is not "left" enough. Nobody. Maybe Roland Burris if somebody pays him...
The problem is not the Republicans, or Lieberman, or teabaggers or the DLC or anything else.
The problem has always been "the Left".
anaxarchos
01-28-2010, 10:50 PM
...Executive Office of Arrogant Cynicism is asked about the "Left". "The Left? We have no worries about the 'Left'. Obama will speak next week and they will all line up."
Say what?
The Left is angry. It is going to sit out the next election. They are disappointed. They are going to run primary candidates. They are going to block the Senate Bill in the House. They hate Obama now...
Say what?
So the State of the Union Speech happens... And they all line up and shut up. The pundits, the "netroots", the Progressive Caucus... Now they are fighting to push the Baucus Bill through the house...
One lousy, empty speech?
"I discovered that I'm not really ready to give up on the President", says Markos.
"The President spoke truth to power", gushes a Midwestern Representative.
Say What?
The fucker IS power... and... and... and...
Down goes "the Left".
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Down goes "the Left".
http://media.gamerevolution.com/images/misc/image/bridge-car.jpg
Down goes "the Left".
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg69/l1ly2nite3/cliff2.jpg
It's easier to be a reformed junkie in Bed-Sty than it is to be a "reformed Democrat".
Just gotta salivate on that command.
blindpig
01-29-2010, 05:59 AM
pet it one day, beat it the next...ya end up with a neurotic mess unfit for society.
anaxarchos
03-16-2010, 09:58 PM
Ain't no Senators by now... ain't no "Left"... ain't nobody...
'cept one little weird lonely guy... and...
You know what's comin'...
http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070424/070424_Kucinich_hmed_4p.hmedium.jpg
DOWN goes Dennis...
http://www.tellmewhereonearth.com/Web%20Pages/Aliens/Alien%20photos/aliens%20model%20ufo%20crash.JPG
Down goes Dennis...
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Down goes Dennis...
http://www.crashedspaceship.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/ufo_01.jpg
In 3 months, it's all done... Senators, Congress critters, MoveOn, Move Up, Move Right, Don't move, Don't yield... nada...
'Cept by now, the whole thing is so convoluted that it all seems like a dreamy thing:
"Now, who was for what again?"
Where's Howard when ya need him...
http://www.hairdirect.com/community/forums/storage/3/11357/cosell.jpg
BitterLittleFlower
03-17-2010, 03:20 AM
I had reports he wasn't but can only find "no comment"...
chlamor
03-17-2010, 05:37 AM
Ali beat Frazier twice but only Ali was knocked down by Frazier, early in the 15th round of the first fight which Frazier won by decision.
http://www.supersportscenter.com/images/product/icon/1196.jpg
Ali vs Frazier I, Round 15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ3aUmSBSbY
TruthIsAll
03-17-2010, 06:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI8EQTa1cbM
chlamor
03-17-2010, 07:07 AM
in that fight. I remember listening to that fight on an old AM radio with my oldest brother. We were pretty shocked at how brutally Foreman pummeled him. It seemed like even on the radio you could tell it was a battering.
Dhalgren
03-17-2010, 07:11 AM
That was cruel, but Frazier had taken huge punishment over his career. Ali fought the last half of his fight with Frazier with a broken jaw - that hamburger could throw a punch...
blindpig
03-17-2010, 10:06 AM
the Progressive Lounge is officially bankrupt and it's closing time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVt6vhRAu3k
As your financial adviser I recommend investing in the self help industry, there's gonna be an uptick.
Thank you Obama, thank you Dennis. Your actions leave my posting there redundant.
anaxarchos
03-17-2010, 10:56 AM
Old Dennis went in like Smokin' Joe: straight-up. He thought it was 1973 all over again. And then WHAM. Shoulda roped that dope.
At least he did better than Marcos.
Marcos went into the ring, pissed his pants and left.
Don't let the purple be the enemy of the good...
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BitterLittleFlower
03-17-2010, 07:31 PM
oh well...
anaxarchos
03-17-2010, 07:50 PM
http://www.gropper.com/images/senate3.jpg
So, the same people who dismissed Kucinich with contempt as an utter flake, have now made him Queen for a Day... his 15 minute shot clock has started... before he goes back to strange obscurity.
Meanwhile, the larger, informal, "progressive caucus" is proud: "We have proven that we will yield on ANYTHING, no matter how much noise we make... Yes, we can."
Also meanwhile, the White House Pols, selected for their A.D.D., won't even let Dennie have 15 minutes before they run for the mikes: "See... We told you that the 'progressives' are punks", even as Obama is begging for understanding on Fox News.
And the people? The few who got called out for this turkey have got this hollow feeling...
Don't fret... That's the feeling of Victory.
Thus every defeat, no matter how abstract or ceremonial, is made to be felt a hundred times over... as an extended morality play.
Can't fight City Hall.
chlamor
03-17-2010, 07:56 PM
Smokin' Joe did.
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chlamor
03-17-2010, 08:03 PM
In the past week it has become clear that the vote on the final health care bill will be very close. I take this vote with the utmost seriousness. I am quite aware of the historic fight that has lasted the better part of the last century to bring America in line with other modern democracies in providing single payer health care. I have seen the political pressure and the financial pressure being asserted to prevent a minimal recognition of this right, even within the context of a system dominated by private insurance companies.
I know I have to make a decision, not on the bill as I would like to see it, but the bill as it is. My criticisms of the legislation have been well reported. I do not retract them. I incorporate them in this statement. They still stand as legitimate and cautionary. I still have doubts about the bill. I do not think it is a first step toward anything I have supported in the past. This is not the bill I wanted to support, even as I continue efforts until the last minute to modify the bill.
However after careful discussions with the President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, Elizabeth my wife and close friends, I have decided to cast a vote in favor of the legislation. If my vote is to be counted, let it now count for passage of the bill, hopefully in the direction of comprehensive health care reform. We must include coverage for those excluded from this bill. We must free the states. We must have control over private insurance companies and the cost their very existence imposes on American families. We must strive to provide a significant place for alternative and complementary medicine, religious health science practice, and the personal responsibility aspects of health care which include diet, nutrition, and exercise.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/03/17-9#comment-1454200
chlamor
03-17-2010, 08:38 PM
"Because I'm a tool for Empire I'm going to use passive jargon to persuade you that I'm really hopeful that one day we can all have bikes and eat our greens while the capitalist sharks (my bosses) shove this stick very far up your ass.
I hope you'll listen to all my words and play them over in your head repeatedly so as to dull the pain of that pointy stick in your anus.
My name is Brave Sir Dennis and my wife has red hair. We are now heading out to Whole Foods to eats some local chicken."
anaxarchos
03-17-2010, 08:53 PM
Meant the little weasel:
http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/story.markos.moulitsas.jpg
Got the big snake, instead:
http://www.changetowin.org/connect/FERDINAND-190.jpg
Freudian - Still, no harm, no foul.
anaxarchos
03-17-2010, 08:56 PM
Like her:
http://marciainger.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/jane-fonda.jpg
Michael Collins
03-17-2010, 09:08 PM
Kucinich caved and he was the last chance for an intellectually honest vote.
But this bill is the death of the Democratic Party as we see it today. The tottering old dame is headed down the road to the political graveyard. Why? Because health care is an intimate, close to you, process that EVERYONE understands. You have it or you don't. It costs X or Y, no hidden factors here. And you damn well know when you're suffering or about to die because you can't get it.
This bill is a piece of garbage designed to provide a big pay day to the health insurers and big pharma. That's it.
The demise of the Democrats will produce some real oddities and maybe a state or two will seriously threaten to leave the union (to the loud accolades of many in the rest of the country, just watch;). The Republicans may gain numeric superiority but they'll just ride that pony right into the ground and soon we'll have even more chaos.
Obama got 1.9 million votes in Virginia. A year later, a nondescript Democrat got 0.8 million votes for governor and lost. Watch that pattern.
I'll make a prediction, a risky one at that. I predict that Andrew Cuomo (NY AG) will refuse to settle his case against BofA and win at trial. I further predict that he'll take on one of the locals on Wall Street and do the same thing. That will be followed by his selection as the 2012 nominee for president. He'll win.
anaxarchos
03-17-2010, 10:32 PM
... and the fucker almost reached across the Internet to tell me "He is Black, you dumb shit". Well, that may be but he has no base in the Black community and he won through turnout. As it stands, he'll get no turnout... he'll still get 65% of the Hispanic vote and 95% of the black vote but at much smaller turnout numbers - just as in Virginia: "He ain't gonna do nothin' for you but he's black, dammit."
'Can't comment on the suburban/youth/liberal vote, whatever that is. That crew is still more vulnerable to marketing and the Demofats still have time.
I read that "America will break up" talk on Pravda. It sounded like their UFO theories... but, who knows? The Russkis were better when they were commies. Even when they were nuts, they were rational. Now, you can't tell.
Political Heretic
03-18-2010, 01:12 AM
Every betrayal hurts... like I'm getting beaten daily. It's not because I don't rationally expect it. I do rationally expect it now. But emotionally, I want to believe maybe this time someone will wake up.
Kid of the Black Hole
03-18-2010, 06:55 AM
It may be, in retrospect, that finance as we know it already signed its own death warrant and is just on a cash grab bender on the way out but nobody realizes it quite yet.
The reason I say this is because there are far, far too many political points to be scored over this and none of them have been parlayed to date. Doesn't really matter if its Cuomo or not, might not matter if its the US or not.
To the doubters I can only say in mock seriousness: Remember the Ala..err, Lehman
anaxarchos
03-18-2010, 08:09 AM
The Democrats watched the Republicans self-destruct after the 2008 elections and assumed they were immune. How could that be possible? They were due to come apart, too. There is so much money, marketing, and mayhem in American politics that people forget that it has objective basis. This particular political crisis has been building since the social contract changed. The recession in 2008 made it inevitable. Now we have the social-mobility-and-tradition-will-save-you-even-though-all-mobility-will-be-downward Party and the we-will-spend-money-to-make-your-lot-seem-less-hopeless-but-ooops-there-is-no-money-so-maybe-the-empire-will-come-back-maybe-maybe Party.
All the corruption and subliminal advertising in the world couldn't stop a "realignment".
Michael Collins
03-18-2010, 01:34 PM
Agreed. When Obama started out, Hillary Clinton was neck and neck with him among black voters. Bill Clinton's unforgivable and idiotic playing of the race card in the mid Atlantic primaries undid a lot of that. Then HRC listened to the big dog and tried her hand at that in Pennsylvania.
The fault tolerance now is really low.
The new axiom: If you don't deliver, forget about it!
anaxarchos
03-18-2010, 03:46 PM
You have to "understand the big picture". The bill sucks but it's "the best you can get". He doesn't want to "undermine" the Obama presidency. Now he is stiff-arming anyone who might vote "NO".
He will now join Markos in primarying himself...
Meanwhile, Sheila Jackson Lee, is pitching the Obama Jobs Bill. What about Black unemployment? Well, that's why you need more tax-cuts for small businesses. There are lots of small businesses in the community, doncha know?
There ain't a meter big enough to measure these people's degradation... nor are there levels of hell deep enough...
And this from someone who expected every bit of it... and expects far more to come.
These are the Liberals that I remember.
BitterLittleFlower
03-18-2010, 04:21 PM
From Private Health Insurance Must Go
Ajamu's response to Kuch and Nader on DN:
WHAT ABOUT US?
By Ajamu K. Sankofa, Esq.
PHIMG
U.S. Cong. John Conyers (D-Detroit), U.S. Cong. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), U.S. Cong. Anthony Weiner (D-NY), and U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), the four Medicare for All horsemen of the Congress of the United States have spoken for us? Their clarion call must now be the beginning of the vocal, written and factual history of the people’s rebellion against the Democratic Party and so-called Independents that breaks their demagogic hold over our consciousness and forms of organizing for social and economic justice in the United States. Indeed the Democratic Party’s powerful monopoly of the progressive agenda of the American people must now be ditched into the trash heap of history.
The people of the United States have spoken differently and have said that we will not accept this apocalypse and that we will judge for ourselves what is best for us.
These four horsemen of inside the Washington beltway have gluttonously fed off of the blood, sweat, and tears of people who have promoted a social democratic and historic idea that has won the support of the majority of the residents of the United States. This idea saves lives, saves money, reduces healthcare costs over time, guarantees access to comprehensive healthcare of the highest quality to all residents of the United States regardless of status, and improves the economy of a country now in its greatest economic collapse in 81 years. This idea is Medicare for All.
The galloping four have all have fed until they are full and quite satisfied because their primary allegiance is not to the people they are elected to represent but to a political party that itself is the handmaiden of 1. the health insurance industry 2. Big Pharma 3. Big Busisness and 4. the Hospital Association. The horsemen simply give us loud and powerful lip service.
WHAT ABOUT US?
John, Dennis, Tony, and Bernie rejected Medicare for All for a healthcare plan that shifts billions of dollars of our tax money to a for-profit healthcare system that gets rich from denying medically necessary healthcare to millions of people, causing profound and avoidable suffering and death; they also make millions of dollars more from overcharging people when they do provide health insurance. This industry has caused and perpetuates the healthcare crisis; but our four “friends” in Congress have voted to expand its political and economic power over us despite its proven record of unspeakable tragedy.
The cynical healthcare plan also forces people to then purchase the industry’s defective health insurance products (created by our tax dollars through a regressive tax scheme), under penalty of law. Lastly, this plan expands the assault on a women’s right to choose. This political gang of four on horseback all claim that they have done this in order to protect President Obama from his right wing critics. Who are these critics? Indeed, Obama himself is the right wing itself in sync with the inexorable rightward drift of the Democratic Party.
George Orwell could not even have foreseen the audacity of this propaganda drama. The blue collar white women and men who left their comfort zones and voted for Obama as well as those who did not have a solid basis to be fightin’ mad. They are left politically rudderless and disoriented. They are now subjected to right wing corporate media spin masters, lurking in the shadows, who demonize and manipulate them by the most expert disinformation.
WHAT ABOUT US?
We will continue to suffer and die until we become sick and tired of being sick and tired and until we rise up and build and sustain a decentralized national grassroots political movement that is authentically independent of both political parties of the corporations, the Democratic and Republican Parties, and fake Independents. Further, we must build political capacity through strategic organizing and direct actions to guaranteed improved and expanded Medicare for all residents in the United States. We must commit until we win.
If you are prepared to get seriously busy until we win, gather at a mass New York City –wide PHIMG Teach-In of single-payer groups from all over NYC and many from NYS as well as from Healthcare-Now who are not only sick and tired of being sick and tired but who intend to build an even stronger and more effective political response to the legally sanctioned medical exploitation of the for-profit healthcare industry that the Democratic Party is now championing and demanding that we submit to. How dare they!
IT IS ABOUT US.
PHIMG NYC-Wide Teach-In
SAVE THE DATE
SATURDAY, APRIL 24, 2010
10am to 4pm
ST. LUKES HOSPITAL AUDITORIUM (capacity 250)
Amsterdam Ave. and 113th St.
NY, NY
(lunch will be available)
chlamor
03-18-2010, 07:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4SJ0xR2_bQ
Political Heretic
03-19-2010, 01:41 AM
...what the hell he got for caving?
chlamor
03-19-2010, 06:20 AM
The origami congressman
Several entirely unexpected things happened today: the sun rose, the Earth continued spinning on its axis, the Globetrotters beat the Generals, and Dennis Kucinich submitted to the demands of his party superiors and personal ambition:
I joined with the Progressive Caucus saying that I would not support the bill unless it had a strong public option and unless it protected the right of people to pursue single payer at a state level. It did not. [...] I have decided to cast a vote in favor of the legislation.
Now, I like Kucinich. Really I do. But the only question with the guy isn't if he's going to fold, but when (and will it be a crane, or a fish, or a frog? Hey, cool, a panda this time!). As with the Iraq war platform plank sellout in 2004, so with the health care vote now.
Congressional Progressive Caucus members like Kucinich achieve nothing because their threats are empty, and everyone knows it. They achieve nothing because they're willing to risk nothing. They're taken for granted because they are in fact granted.
As with Progressive Democrats, so with progressives who vote for Democrats. Yes, they're angry about Iraq and Afghanistan and civil liberties and bailouts and drone strikes and health care and every other atrocity the Democrats sponsor or support, but it doesn't make a damn bit of difference, because everyone knows that no matter what happens they'll still dutifully vote for those same Democrats. And until the day comes when they finally decide there is some shit they will not eat, they'll continue to lose.
ADDING: In order to spare the jellyfish from Ohio further embarrassment I omitted his claim that "I kept my pledge and voted against the bill"—meaning the original bill, that is. What a kidder! For reference, Kucinich's pledge said that in order to win his support, "any legislation that moves forward through both chambers, and into a final proposal for the President’s signature, MUST contain a public option" (my bold, their caps). But "any" there was just one tiny little word in a big long letter, so you can see how he might not feel that it invalidates his claim.
http://www.distantocean.com/2010/03/the-origami-congressman.html#comments
meganmonkey
03-19-2010, 06:44 AM
as the example people look to when they talk about "moving the party (back) to the left". I suppose his 'caving' was more of a ploy to demonstrate how important it is for the bill to pass and be a 'win' for the party, and for Obama, so as to not undermine it.
The facade is getting so thin now that it seems to be in total collapse.
DU is sorta hysterical at the moment, both in the 'funny' sense and the 'emotional excess' sense.
eta: If Dennis had any fundamental difference with the party he would have left it long ago, imo. He is pretty safe in his district and is likely one of the few who could withstand leaving the party and surviving in DC (see Bernie Sanders). Well, at least he was safe enough until he started getting so much national attention. At this point if he tried to leave the cult-o'-dems he'd probably crash in a small plane, LOL.
chlamor
03-19-2010, 11:45 AM
From Holding Out To Whipping Health Care -- How Dennis Kucinich Is Helping Dems Pass Reform
Christina Bellantoni | March 18, 2010, 9:31AM
A few hours after Rep. Dennis Kucinich switched his support to become a critical vote for the health care bill, he took to the House floor to ask wavering colleagues to join him. Astonished colleagues pointed to Kucinich (D-OH) darting from member to member on the House floor yesterday, saying privately they'd never seen him get so involved in whipping a vote.
It's not just progressives he's targeting to keep in the fold, it's everyone, a top Democratic aide told me. Members know that Kucinich - a staunch antiwar liberal long in favor of a single-payer system and often going out on a limb with his own agenda - is setting aside deep ideology to help get something passed. "It's a totally new dynamic. People are realizing he's doing it for history," the aide said.
Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) told me last night in the House Speaker's lobby that Kucinich's support is "a sign of Democrats recognizing how important this is."
"If Kucinich can back this bill after the way he staked out a position against it, it does help show people they can come together too," Frank said.
A twice-failed presidential candidate, Kucinich has not shied away from criticizing President Obama. But Obama worked on the progressive Democrat when they rode on Air Force One together Monday, and said yesterday that Kucinich's support is "a good sign."
A senior leadership aide argued to members in a memo that momentum is on their side thanks in part to Kucinich, but also as pro-life Democrats start to say they'll vote for it despite reservations about the bill. In several cases they've made the decision after consulting with clergy, something that wavering Democrats have noticed and respect.
Aides say they think these convictions and compromises will help leadership secure the needed 216 votes to pass the legislation and send it to the Senate for the final vote.
Rep. Dale Kildee (D-MI), who spent six years studying to be a priest, cited his faith in his statement yesterday announcing he'll back the bill. Rep. James Oberstar (D-MN) said he sought counsel from his priest, and clergy members have been spotted with members on Capitol Hill in recent days.
Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-OR) told me in an interview that he would give the final health care bill a grade of a B-minus or C-plus, there is still a feeling among Democrats that, "Wow. We've come farther than ever before."
He added, "This is crunch time."
It's a similar message to what Sen. Daniel Akaka told me in an interview last week. Akaka (D-HI) said he knew the hurdles had been cleared when he saw his colleagues ease off their tough stances on the public option and other elements of health care. "It was seeing senators letting go," he said.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/from-progressive-holdout-to-whipping-health-care----how-dennis-kucinich-is-helping-dems.php?ref=fpblg
anaxarchos
03-24-2010, 07:46 AM
I just heard the Reverend Sharpton explain it all. It's important to understand the situation. Obama is President of the United States. He cannot advocate for the interests of the poor or of black people. He would have to advocate against himself. You don't want him to be a mere figurehead, do you?
No, no... of course not.
I think I get it. As President of the United States, Obama is responsible for maintaining and deepening the superstructure of racism in America. He can't dismantle it just because he is black. That would be irresponsible. You don't want to shut people of color out of political leadership, do you?
I've seen the Reverend Sharpton come a long way in the last decades. He seems bound and determined to now walk all the way back... and then some.
It's good to be a Democrat.
blindpig
03-24-2010, 08:02 AM
That's sad, guess he's decided which side he's on. It's a tough position to be in but I think he knows better.
Kid of the Black Hole
03-24-2010, 08:06 AM
when it came to Sharpton.
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