http://snardfarker.ning.com/video/complete-silence-from-the

and get the fuck off of this one. You're a broken record and, yes, a fucking bigot.

Coulda talked about the fact that all the "Israelis" are really Americans (no accents).

Coulda talked about the ease with which people in Israel lapse into KKK talk.

Coulda talked about the racist nature of Israeli society: Zionism = Racism.

Coulda talked about the identification of anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism.

But, nope...

"Why doesn't the NAACP talk about those two black kids who mugged a white kid?" - Limbaugh shit.

A non-question put out to obfuscate a real but hidden position, quoted from a site which specializes in such.

Ron Paul is better at it: Banks, yadda, yadda, Federal Reserve, yadda, yadda (err "jews").

Below is the first entry at that site from just randomly clicking a link.

What say you Jacques, about this post on the "hate bill?"

Zionist Puppet Obama To Sign Free Speech Killing Hate Bill Obama Will Sign Hate Crimes Bill Wednesday


How could it be that legislation so destructive of our Constitution is now becoming reality? In the broadest perspective, it began when, with the rise of the Zionist movement a century ago, evangelical Christians made the unbiblical, heretical decision that there would be no allowance of inquiry into or criticism of matters Jewish that might instill controversy. This allowed the Anti-Defamation League in 1913 to begin a universal and systematic attempt, through media, the justice system, education, and government, to erode and tear down the pillars of Christian society and western civilization. (http://truthtellers.org/alerts/whosbehindpedoprotectact.htm)

If a parent grants immunity from scrutiny or criticism to a child, then within a year they will have created a spoiled brat and in five years a psychopath. It is not surprising then that, by granting anti-Christ Jews such immunity for at least a century, evangelicals have created a monster which now, through its empowerment to manufacture Orwellian legislation, is free to devour the hand that has fed it as well as the civilization which has given it protection.

Such protections provided by the Christian right have allowed ADL to not only create the whole idea of hate laws but to proliferate them uncontested to nearly 45 U.S. states during the 1990s. To this very moment, upon the threshold of passage of ADL's federal hate crimes bill, this vilest of all political and religious organizations remains entirely unresisted and unexposed by Christian conservatism. Over the past century, the evangelical movement has laid out a red carpet and rolled it right into the Oval Office for delivery of ADL's freedom-destroying hate crimes agenda.

Recently interviewed on a Christian talk show, I was asked by the host how evangelical leadership groups regard me. I replied that both they and ADL are terrified by my message. Having played a pivotal role in defeat of the hate bill four times over the past eight years, I am an obvious threat to ADL. But I also bring with me a testimony against misguided evangelical leadership over the past century. I bear witness that they and their fathers carry a heavy burden of guilt for having bidden Godspeed to those of whom Christ and the New Testament repeatedly warn Christians to beware: "http://synagogue-of-satan" "those who say that they are Jews, and are not, but lie" (Rev. 2:9). Evangelicals have coddled, flattered, and sided with those whom Paul warns are "enemies" (Rom.11:28) "who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out; they are not pleasing to God, but hostile to all men, hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles that they might be saved; with the result that they always fill up the measure of their sins. But wrath has come upon them to the utmost" (I Thess. 2:14-16).

Not only have evangelical leaders unleashed the ADL juggernaut responsible for hate laws, but they have also assisted the rise of a Judaic one-world order, beginning in Israel, which will ultimately be presided over by Antichrist in Jerusalem. It will eventually change all times and laws and reduce to rubble all that Christ and true Christianity made possible (Dan. 7:25).

Do I regret that I have fought on, and led countless others to fight, months after all other major Christian "watchdog groups" went silent, waiting for the axe to fall?

Considering the staggering threat of this legislation, I could not live with myself or stand before God if I had not pursued every conceivable opportunity to defeat it until the bitter end.

Speak up. What say you? Do you agree or disagree with the post I cited?

Since the original video of these a-holes has strangely been removed from the public venue due to "terms of use violations", you go where you gotta go. If you are concerned about content on that site then ask why was the original video removed from Youtube?

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=youtube+racist+israel+american+students

I don't examine every link on a site when it provides me with the info I was searching for and neither do you. I searched for the video that depicted the blatant racism that was shown in Israel against Obama, blacks and others by American Jewish students and that was first site that worked. Oddly that particular video has evaporated from expected venues.

My question stands where was the ADL on this and why weren't these individuals who were obviously Americans not chastised, identified and villified as would happen if they were American college students in the USA, acting the same outrageous racist way?
Undoubtedly they would be vilified and their expulsion demanded yet all the ADL provided was silence.

When it comes to the specific post you cited I don't have the inclination to debate their particular opinion on hate crime agendas. I have very mixed emotions on the issue because hate crime laws create double standards, and double standards is never a good solution imo. I oppose all efforts to control the right to speech such as is done in Europe unless it directly intimidates or threatens others. Public criticism should remain as a right for us all or the price will be fascism and despotism.

The quest for equality for all and elimination of double standards is not now and never will be bigotry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uZtlEBmbHQ&NR=1

"The quest for equality for all and elimination of double standards" can be bigotry, and often is. Many people from the dominant culture see any effort at leveling the playing field as a "double standard" or a threat to their "equality." That is because they do not or will not see the bigotry in the first place. They then think that minority people are getting "special favors" at their expense.

"Equality" within a system of inequality - as in "the rich and the poor have an equal right to sleep under a bridge" - is not equality.

I want to hear your opinion on that post, not the ADL, free speech, some racists who happen to be Jewish and the rest.

What difference does it make that they are Jewish American students?

What do that post and the video you linked to being removed from youtube have to do with one another?

Did you watch this youtube video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uZtlEBmbHQ&NR=1

What do you really think about it in your gut? Do you think it is BS? Or do you have sympathy for one side or another? I think it says a lot about culture and people - don't you?

Holding the upper hand always brings out the corrupt, the racist and especially the cruel---just as these mutherfckering aristocrats from America felt they had the upper hand and they really do. I can't help it that they are Jews. That is something that apparently they use "we are" to justify their abuse of others just as did Nazis almost 70 years ago. What comes around goes around. Now we have new words for those who abhor it such as anti-Semites.

How did this culture develop where the few believe they have the right to intimidate and destroy the lives of others because they have a fantasy that they are somehow special? History said that Hitler had the same fantasy.

When I hear anti-Semite being used against those with rational questions about society what I really hear is racism. As they say if you have power then flaunt it.

Your underlying obsessive focus is racist. Bigoted. Pure and simple. You are focused on one group of people based on their ethnicity and/or religion.

I will continue to call you out. Your single-mindedness confirms repeatedly that you are an anti-semite.

Everything you say is argued from the perspective of a bigot. All of your premises are based on that. From your first posts on the site to the present.

There's no point in arguing with you. It ALWAYS comes down to Israel/Jews to you. ALWAYS. It's shit.

FYI, it's sorta funny that you comment on other posters' profanity, or go out of your way to write words like 'ass' in disguise, while your thoughts and words are so much more obscene and offensive than any amount of curse words on this site.

Shit.

I just realized it. You are 100% on target when you say I'm against racism.

You are also 200% off target when you say I'm some kind of bigot.

I'm absolutely and irrevocably and totally against any racism of any sort. Results always speak louder than BS. When a tiny % of the USA somehow has most of the wealth and an order of magnitude over-representation in Congress and immeasurable over-representation in the media I question how that came about without some form of overt racism being present. This isn't about any particular group, but it is about equality and egalitarianism for all and I'd be questioning it regardless of religion or country of origin of anyone involved.

In the end it all comes down to equal opportunity for we Americans and having the right to equal representation in our government. When the real world results don't represent equality and such an outcome it needs discussed.

This is not about pushing anyone down, but instead about pulling everyone up as equal players.

Thanks so much for your upfront racism, you write your own obit.

Quite revealing, here lies your opposition to Marx, he provides an iron clad, materialist and historical explanation for the state of things which completely destroys your racist notions. By accepting the racist explanation you are a perfect tool for the capitalist.

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If we leave ourselves open to this kind of filth, we are self-destructive...

I'm PRO equal rights, for equal opportunity and the need to strive for fair representation of all races, colors ethnic identities and cultures. Our religious and cultural background and ethnic identities form a significant basis for our belief systems, which is why it is so important that we have a country that is appropriately represented and kept informed by a broad demographic base of its people and not have opinion or punditry filtered through any particular group.

To chastise my statement as being racist is absurd. It is as absurd as Jesse Helm in the 1960s chastising African Americans as racist because they complained about their under-representation in our government.

[div class="excerpt"] Our religious and cultural background and ethnic identities form a significant basis for our belief systems, which is why it is so important that we have a country that is appropriately represented and kept informed by a broad demographic base of its people and not have opinion or punditry filtered through any particular group. [/quote]

Translation: This is a white, christian country but the Jews control the media and the message for their own nefarious purposes. You are providing the appropriate nazi balance.

Do you think you are telling us something we've never heard before? First time I heard the crap you spout was a the office of the National Socialist White People's Party in my old 'hood four decades ago. Back to Storm Front with ya.

I think you are expressing bigoted ideas. The difference is this - the first cannot be examined and debated, the second can.

Also I do not think that the bigotry itself is the only concern, rather how it is used to promote reactionary right wing politics and nationalism is important as well.

person holds to be true? Was Bull Connor not a racist? How about Bedford Forrest, was he a racist? Hitler?

I think that it is a good thing to try and pull a person away from a set of ideas that they may not have thought through. There are plenty of folks who have mind sets that are shallow and not hardened, but there are others who are lost causes. The idea that you cannot hold against a person the ideology that he espouses and upholds strikes me as looking into an abyss, where nothing is real. There is a thread where Anax talks about people having to have an ideology - otherwise they have nothing. Jacques has his ideology; he has studied, thought about it and this is who he is. You are trying to say that Jacques himself is not the final decider on what and who he is. I just do not "get" it. I will not deny my density, but be that as it may, I-do-not-get-it...

I am not being argumentative (well, maybe), but I just cannot understand the reasoning here.

Yes, I would say that it would not have been useful or tell us much of anything to have said at the respective associated times that Connor, Forrest, or Hitler "are" racists. To say that some "are" bigots suggests that others are not. Yet were any of those three men exceptional, or did they not reflect widespread bigotry among the general population they were in? Was the average German in the 30's not a bigot, but Hitler was? Was the average white person in the South not a bigot, yet Connor was? And I suppose the average white person in the South in the 1850's was not a bigot, but Forrest was. Not very useful, is it? But it is useful for something - to hide the general bigotry in the society, to make some sort of artificial distinction between good people and bad people, so that, for example, people could support slavery, be opposed to the Civil Rights movement, or support the Nazis yet fancy themselves to be good people, and not bigots. But even more importantly, bigotry is useful to promote reactionary political ideas.

Why should this matter to us, and why is it not a distraction from the important political ideas we want to talk about? Because the two cannot be separated, especially when anti-Semitism is involved.

Anti-semitism is the prototype for all bigotry in western European culture, has the longest history, and to this day FBI statistics show that hate crimes in the US - laws against which our friend so vigorously opposes - against Jewish people are greater in number than those against all other groups combined.

Anti-semitism is essential to bigotry, is the cutting edge and the blueprint for it, and the very identity of white Americans depends upon it. In turn, American nationalism depends upon that identification, and upon the foundation of American nationalism are built the apologies and defenses for Capitalism. Then, without the "sweetener" of liberalism, and now the refined and distilled form - "progressive" politics - the whole thing would collapse. It is no accident that people we want to call bigots so happily co-existed with the most progressive of the progressives.

Whether a person starts at one end of that continuum of closely linked features -by "being" a bigot or by "being" a progressive - they wind up in the same place: promoting Capitalism and and attacking the Left.

Know what they used to scream at us, the white power agitators and neo-Nazis, at rallies and marches in the 60's? "N*gger loving Commie fag Jews!" - or variations on that, spit out as though it were one word. Now, the good liberals were horrified at that. "Oh those bigots are so hateful and ugly." Why? Maybe because it hinted at some truth about the way the general population thinks, a truth that we would rather not have out in the open, that we would rather bury under politeness and civility and euphemism, or simply see implemented without having to talk about it at all?

Can we really call any of that an "ideology" or something that people "be?"

The whole lie of liberalism rests on this foundation, and the defense of Capitalism and the attacks on the Left absolutely depend upon liberalism. That is why it is important. That political spectrum that once was used to define the site runs from the polite to the overt forms of expression, expression of the same fundamental ideas about Capitalism and American identity and nationalism.

north Birmingham in 1972. Connor was gone, but his shadow still cast a cold shade...

I think where we have a difficulty is where the ideology stops and the person starts. Was Che a revolutionary or did he simply espouse revolutionary ideology? And is there any real difference?

I think that what is good for the goose, well you know the rest...

"Was Che a revolutionary or did he simply espouse revolutionary ideology? And is there any real difference?"

You are talking there about what a person said and did, not what they "are." What people say and do we can talk about. What they "are" we cannot. Hence, the right wingers always try to shift the discussion to be about what people "are" rather than about what they say and do.

There you go again "Jesse" claiming the victims are the racists. Apparently not every American has an equal right to be heard, seen or read on the major media.

When those that have been discriminated against complain, Jesse calls them bigots.

So you think that the concept of having equal opportunity in the media (or government) is a fallacious, racist concept because it discriminates against the discriminators? :wtf: