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meganmonkey
05-28-2008, 10:22 PM
I just got an email about an upcoming event in D-town. I'm thinking it may be worth the trip just to see what they're up to...This is the group that started ANSWER, no? I've checked the Wiki entry and googled a little but it's difficult to parse through all the garbage out there. I have a hard time working out the ideological squabbles between all the existing commie groups. I might need to see for myself. I'm not trying to join a club or anything, just check it out like I did with the SEP conference a couple years ago. But I don't want to drive all the way to Detroit for a dud of a meeting either.


Friends:
1. Attend a Detroit area organizing meeting to fight for a moratorium on foreclosures and evictions. Saturday, May 31 at 2 PM at 23 E. Adams, at Woodward Ave (Central United Methodist Church - 4th floor). We continue to build statewide and throughout the metro area for passage of SB1306. This week we also stopped another illegal eviction turning the bailiff away from the door!
2. Join the Moratorium NOW Coalition in a protest against the banks and mortgage companies. Friday, June 6 at 4 PM (gather at the Spirit of Detroit statue - Woodward at Jefferson) - followed by a march to the doors of the banks.
3. WORKERS WORLD PARTY PUBLIC FORUM <>
FOOD & FUEL

What's behind the crisis here and worldwide?

Saturday, May 31, 2008, 5:00 p.m.

5920 Second Avenue, Detroit

(north of WSU, one block west of Cass, at Antoinette)

DINNER SERVED ~ Donation: $5/$1-unemployed, seniors, fixed income



Hear talks and join in discussion on:

►Why are food prices soaring and shortages on the rise?

►Why are gasoline and heating fuel so costly while the oil corporations are making record profits?

►What are socialist countries like Cuba and

Venezuela doing to meet the needs of the people?

►What can be done to ensure the

basic human right to food?



For more information contact

WORKERS WORLD PARTY (313) 831-0750

Any thoughts or direct experience with these peeps (other than ANSWER marches)?

anaxarchos
05-29-2008, 12:07 AM
WWP is a Trotskyist split from the old Socialist Workers Party.

Minuses:

1) They are a little grouplet (or is that "grouplette"?).
2) They are Full of Shit

Pluses:

1) They are not as full of shit as most Trotskyists.
2) They used to have a pretty good newspaper (Worker's World).
3) They don't hate all real Socialist countries (they give "critical support" - hoo boy).
4) They are active in anti-war movements and used to have a pretty good youth group called "Youth Against War and Fascism" which was both against street fighting cops AND pretty good at it.
5) They are from Buffalo which is a good working class and Hockey town.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/logos/nhl/buffalo_sabres_2000.gif

blindpig
07-12-2008, 10:08 AM
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u290/bschiavone/5189JRXW-UL_AA240_.gif

Michael Schiavone's prescription for what ails the American labor movement is right on target. Workers need more, not less, social justice unionism. If organized labor is going to have a future, it must embrace workplace militancy, internal democracy, cross-border solidarity, and a broader political agenda.

http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/C9966.aspx

Say Anax, you famaliar with this guy? Just started reading the book.

Kid of the Black Hole
07-12-2008, 11:43 AM
http://www.marxisthistory.org/subject/usa/eam/tuel.html

Alot of the documents are worthing looking at as well:
http://www.marxisthistory.org/subject/u ... loads.html (http://www.marxisthistory.org/subject/usa/eam/tueldownloads.html)

http://www.marxisthistory.org/subject/u ... lpubs.html (http://www.marxisthistory.org/subject/usa/eam/tuelpubs.html)

blindpig
07-12-2008, 12:35 PM
http://www.marxisthistory.org/subject/usa/eam/tuel.html

Alot of the documents are worthing looking at as well:
http://www.marxisthistory.org/subject/u ... loads.html (http://www.marxisthistory.org/subject/usa/eam/tueldownloads.html)

http://www.marxisthistory.org/subject/u ... lpubs.html (http://www.marxisthistory.org/subject/usa/eam/tuelpubs.html)

That's some good stuff, I'll finish it later. Had not heard of that group.

Kid of the Black Hole
07-12-2008, 04:45 PM
http://www.marxisthistory.org/subject/usa/eam/tuel.html

Alot of the documents are worthing looking at as well:
http://www.marxisthistory.org/subject/u ... loads.html (http://www.marxisthistory.org/subject/usa/eam/tueldownloads.html)

http://www.marxisthistory.org/subject/u ... lpubs.html (http://www.marxisthistory.org/subject/usa/eam/tuelpubs.html)

That's some good stuff, I'll finish it later. Had not heard of that group.

Its a big deal because it was a break with the corrupt AFL/CIO. For the first 90 or 100 years or something the AFL had only three Presidents: Gompers, Meaney, and some more minor character who I forget.

Independent TUELs lived on even through McCarthyism. I have some literature on this that I found at an antique bookstore once, its out of this world. I intend to scan some of it one day soon and put it up because its the most crystal clear talk possible.

anaxarchos
07-12-2008, 05:38 PM
[quote="Kid Of The Black Hole":36ldfo0n]http://www.marxisthistory.org/subject/usa/eam/tuel.html

Alot of the documents are worthing looking at as well:
http://www.marxisthistory.org/subject/u ... loads.html (http://www.marxisthistory.org/subject/usa/eam/tueldownloads.html)

http://www.marxisthistory.org/subject/u ... lpubs.html (http://www.marxisthistory.org/subject/usa/eam/tuelpubs.html)

That's some good stuff, I'll finish it later. Had not heard of that group.

Its a big deal because it was a break with the corrupt AFL/CIO. For the first 90 or 100 years or something the AFL had only three Presidents: Gompers, Meaney, and some more minor character who I forget.

Independent TUELs lived on even through McCarthyism. I have some literature on this that I found at an antique bookstore once, its out of this world. I intend to scan some of it one day soon and put it up because its the most crystal clear talk possible.[/quote:36ldfo0n]

The IWW, the Communist Party and TUEL were intimately connected with one another and William Z. Foster was central to all 3. To get a sense of how quickly this all grew, by the time of the TUEL, the Communist Party had nearly 100,000 members, nearly twice that of the Socialists, though it hadn't existed six months before... in fact, there were two parties, Reed's and Fraina's, which didn't merge until 1921.

Just one more footnote, all three accepted many anarchists though they ruthlessly purged "moderate socialists"... fuck DU - gimme dem black and red kids.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2037/2231515738_c7373910e2.jpg

anaxarchos
07-12-2008, 05:53 PM
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u290/bschiavone/5189JRXW-UL_AA240_.gif

Michael Schiavone's prescription for what ails the American labor movement is right on target. Workers need more, not less, social justice unionism. If organized labor is going to have a future, it must embrace workplace militancy, internal democracy, cross-border solidarity, and a broader political agenda.

http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/C9966.aspx

Say Anax, you famaliar with this guy? Just started reading the book.

He is Australian. I don't know much about him.
.

Kid of the Black Hole
07-12-2008, 06:32 PM
I did a search and found his brother's blog where he reviewed the book. It didn't go into much else about him though