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Tinoire
06-09-2009, 07:31 AM
Bleeding the turnips dry...

[div class=excerpt style=background:#FEFEFF]WASHINGTON AP sources: House Dems favor insurance requirement

By DAVID ESPO – 14 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Senior House Democrats drafting health care legislation are considering slapping an unspecified financial penalty on anyone who refuses to purchase affordable health insurance, a key committee chairman said Monday.

In addition, officials said Democrats are considering a new tax on certain health insurance benefits as one of numerous options to help pay for expanding coverage to the uninsured. No details on the tax were immediately available, and no final decisions were expected until next week at the earliest.

These officials said drafters of the legislation will include a government-run insurance option as well as plans offered by private companies. The government option draws near-unanimous opposition from Republicans and provokes concerns among many Democrats, as well, although President Barack Obama has spoken out in favor of it.

Under the emerging House Democratic plan, individuals and small businesses would be able to purchase coverage from a "health exchange" and the government would require all plans to contain a minimum benefit, these officials added. No applicant could be rejected for pre-existing conditions, nor could they be charged a higher premium, they said.

House Democrats also are considering a wide-ranging change for Medicaid that would provide a uniform benefit across all 50 states and increase payments to health professionals, according to several officials. Medicaid is a state-federal program of health coverage for the poor.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they did not want to pre-empt a presentation to rank-and-file Democrats on Tuesday.

At the same time, Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, confirmed the proposed penalty for those who refuse to purchase coverage they can afford, referring to it as "play or pay."

"There is no use having a mandate without a contribution," he said.

Waivers would be available for those who could not cover the cost of insurance.

The disclosures came as the pace of activity quickened in both the House and Senate on health insurance legislation, a top priority for the administration. Obama is scheduled to meet Tuesday afternoon at the White House with several Democrats.

Democratic leaders hope to pass legislation in both houses by the first few days of August, and complete work on a compromise measure in the fall for Obama's signature.

Obama has stepped up his own involvement in the issue in recent days, and there has been a flurry of negotiations involving outside interest groups who have pledged to take steps to achieve savings within the private insurance market.

Alongside those efforts, financing Obama's plan to spread coverage more widely carries a price tag estimated at higher than $1 trillion over a decade. House Democrats are considering cutting projected Medicare payments to home health care, pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, hospitals and others to cover costs.

The option for taxing insurance benefits is also under consideration as part of legislation taking shape across the Capitol in the Senate Finance Committee.

Numerous options are possible, many involving either a tax levied according to the value of an individual's employer-provided health plan, or on the benefits received by upper-income taxpayers.

The issue poses multiple potential problems for Obama, who has pledged not to raise taxes on individuals making less than $250,000 and also ran commercials during the presidential campaign criticizing GOP rival Sen. John McCain's call for a tax on health benefits.

In recent weeks, the president and his aides have sought to straddle the issue, neither accepting it nor ruling it out.

Equally troublesome politically is the issue of a government insurance option. Critics argue it would render private companies unable to compete, and it has emerged as a key sticking point in the Democratic search for a bipartisan plan in the Senate.

All the Republicans on the Senate Finance Committee except one wrote Obama recently telling him he was making a mistake if he insisted on a government option. The exception was Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, who has been trying to find a compromise that would make a government plan available as a last resort if health insurance remains unaffordable for many families even after Congress overhauls the system.

Even before last fall's general election, health care was a key issue in the battle for the Democratic presidential nomination. Obama proposed requiring parents to buy health insurance for children, with a possible fine if parents refused. But he would not insist that all adults buy insurance.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, who was a New York senator at the time as well as a presidential candidate, said a mandate was essential. At one point, she said she was open to garnisheeing the wages of anyone who refused to comply.


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Someone please remind me why we pay taxes in this country?

Virgil
06-09-2009, 07:39 AM
That is what makes the Vast Treasonous Conspiracy so profitable. If you cannot see the VTC it is because it is too huge.

sweetheart
06-09-2009, 07:53 AM
Those who give up financing the system are punished and homeless - yet not paying-in.

God blesses the broke who don't pay for the rape-and-murder machine.

If you're broke, consider your great good fortune.

Code_Name_D
06-09-2009, 02:21 PM
Can you say TAX REVOLT!

maat
06-09-2009, 02:40 PM
What a fraud!

Why don't they just hand over every asset the U.S. has to a few huge megacorporations?

They need to quit pretending that they're after anything but neofeudalism.

leftchick
06-09-2009, 02:56 PM
oh for cripes sakes. Do they really believe we are that fucking stupid? It is reminiscent of 'the markets will correct themselves' bullshit.

Today I opened three bills from three different health providers AFTER my insurance 'coverage'. In the fifteen years my husband has been with this company and had this insurance I have NEVER had bills like this.

Dentist for kids $500.00

Me Doctor $482.00

Dentist for me $649.00

I know it would be worse if I had no coverage but this is fucking insane! I am dreading when I have to take my son to his Diabetes Doctor this month. I really do not know how we will pay this when my husbands business is in the shitter and there are no signs of change. I am really getting scared.

:cry:

maat
06-09-2009, 03:06 PM
:hug:

You should demand a meeting with your Congressional rep, and tell your story. Perhaps you could convince him or her that things have to change.

At the very least, Sen. Bernie Saunders has asked that these stories be sent to him. He is trying to collect data to help pass his equivalent of H.R. 676.

Two Americas
06-09-2009, 04:34 PM
That is the "health care system" they are reforming and helping - the cash cow for the corporations.

Two Americas
06-09-2009, 04:37 PM
There are many nurses and doctors who are with us, or soon will be. They are human beings, and many of them got into the field to help people and alleviate suffering, not to make money and certainly not to make money for the few who are sitting out on their yachts right now sipping martinis. They are the providers of health care, not the corporations, not Wall Street, not the pharma industry. Soon we will be forming communities of mutual defense and support, and that will include medical help for people.

We need to stop looking to the rulers for help, and stop hoping that the wealthy and powerful few will "do the right thing" and share with us some of the loot that they stole from us. It ain't gonna happen folks. Help will never come from that direction.

leftchick
06-09-2009, 06:00 PM
so I truly understand what you mean. I appreciate your optimism in my hard times.

Montag
06-09-2009, 07:04 PM
I was discussing health care with my doctor, and talking about the different systems in Britain, Canada, France, etc... And he said to me, "Oh you mean like in the rest of the civilized countries." I was pretty surprised to hear this, although he seems to me to be a pretty liberal guy (I've gotten the impression he became a Dr. to help people, not for the money), although he doesn't seem to me to be up on all the issues. I don't like the term political junky (I'm not into politics as a 'hobby' or somesuch, IMO politics is a life and death issue), but, of course, not many Americans seem to me to be very well versed on too many issues...

p.s. My mother is a nurse, she's always told me that we should have a universal health care system. She's also a viewer of Fox News Channel, I've tried to tell her the Republicans will do everything humanly possibly in their power to fight any effort at single payer and/or universal health care; but I've realized to her Fox News is like a baseball team or sports franchise that she roots for. If I explain to her some of the evils that they support and work for, it doesn't seem to alter or have much influence on her point of view.