Now, let me package a "Solution" for you in nice and pretty, American-style, wrapping.

All slick and shiny and ready for you to take home.

I really hope that's not what you expect when you ask for some "solution." The mere asking of this question betrays the lack of understanding of the fundamental issue here: In order to find a "solution", or is it THE solution, you must completely remove yourself from the reality that you have believed in through the years. The manufactured reality that was shoved down your throat from the cradle to the grave in a thousand different ways. This in and of itself is a very difficult task, and most people who sincerely want to "help the earth" (or humanity) die never understanding this. This is why so many feel hopeless about not being able to create true change. Because you're still looking for solutions on the same platform that caused the problems.

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Strength in humility is a myth. Passive denial of the enormity of the problems that confront us and the radical solutions needed to address these, while understandable in light of all the devastation being visited upon the Earth by developers, corporate greed heads and a largely acquiescent populace, is still an indefensible and repugnant position.

As long as women and African-Americans were nice humble and passive what did they get? Nothing. Unless you count subjugation and servitude as something. Would those in power one day have awakened one day in a particularly genial and loving mood and said, "You are so nice and humble I'm going to allow you to vote, own property and while we're at it let's throw in equal pay?"

Dream on.

It took suffragettes and civil rights activists being insistent, unpleasantly arrogant, unrelenting and a willingness to risk what little they did have to attain the few freedoms that are "allowed" today. This meant laying their bodies on the line.

Those who are destroying our earth and our communities at breakneck speed are as humble and caring as barracudas, all apologies to the piscine creatures, and will not easily or at all relinquish their stranglehold on the gasping terra firma or your neck.

What it will take is nothing short of large scale purposeful sustained direct actions that bring the system to a halt. This means tremendous sacrifice. This means discomfort. In this there is the inevitably of tremendous risk.

The only remedy will be when people begin to get interested in taking back active control of the processes that rule their lives and work with each other rather than crossing their fingers and heading off to the ballot box.

There is no political solution.


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1) Universal Health Care

2) Promotion/Development of Local Food Systems

3) Increased Gas Prices, At Least Doubled

4) 80% Reduction In Military Budget

5) Immediate Development Of Nationwide Mass Transit System

6) Immediate Withdrawal Of US Troops From All Parts Of The Globe

7) Triple The Taxes For Anyone Making Over $75,000/ Year. Sliding Scale Tilting Upwards

8] Immediate Hanging Of All Ivy League Business School Teachers, or At Least Force Them To Get Hands on Honest Work Preferably Outdoors

9) Immediate Dissolution Of All Federal Banking Systems, Creation Of Local Currencies

10) Elimination Of Rent/Mortgage

11) Fair Trials For All Members Of The Senate

12) Open Borders For People, Closed Borders For Bananas

Naturally when I skip into my polling place and look for these issues on the ballot I'll be aroused and gleeful to pull that lever "in favor of."


Until then...

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In different times- less urgent times- there is much to be said for courtesy. But these are not those times.

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http://www.progressiveindependent.com/d ... c_id=80387 (http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=80387)

we came whirling
out of nothingness
scattering stars
like dust

the stars made a circle
and in the middle
we dance

- Rumi

http://www.dreamingaloud.com/Gallerys/images/Thoughtfull.jpg



There is no political solution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P32zf6iVCYQ)




To our troubled evolution
Have no faith in constitution
There is no bloody revolution

We are spirits in the material world
Are spirits in the material world
Are spirits in the material world
Are spirits in the material world

Our so-called leaders speak
With words they try to jail you
The subjugate the meek
But it's the rhetoric of failure
We are spirits in the material world
Are spirits in the material world
Are spirits in the material world
Are spirits in the material world

Where does the answer lie?
Living from day to day
If it's something we can't buy
There must be another way

We are spirits in the material world
Are spirits in the material world
Are spirits in the material world
Are spirits in the material world

T'was a rocky field. Even Job needs a break. Happy fuckin' New Year!

When the big question over there is should I vote for`a neo-nazi sympathizer http://dc.indymedia.org/usermedia/image/6/ronpaul08.jpg a corporate Uncle Tom http://www.sinkers.org/posters/democrats08/obama08.jpg or maybe both ? http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/obama_kkk.jpg


Notice Tinoire didn't much care if you left.I've tried to be nice over there,the only people who really manage to get me mad,are Ron Paul supporters,and those who promote autism quackery.Those who still believe in the system are hopeless,


Patriotism Runs Counter to Ordinary Human Morality. This flagrant negation of humanity, which constitutes the very essence of the State, is from the point of view of the latter the supreme duty and the greatest virtue: it is called patriotism and it constitutes the transcendent morality of the State. We call it the transcendent morality because ordinarily it transcends the level of human morality and justice, whether private or common, and thereby it often sets itself in shard contradiction to them. Thus, for instance, to offend, oppress, rob, plunder, assassinate, or enslave one's fellow man is, to the ordinary morality of man, to commit a serious crime.

In public life, on the contrary, from the point of view of patriotism, when it is done for the greater glory of the State in order to conserve or to enlarge its power, all that becomes a duty and a virtue. And this duty, this virtue, are obligatory upon every patriotic citizen. Everyone is expected to discharge those duties not only in respect to strangers but in respect to his fellow citizens, members and subjects of the same State, whenever the welfare of the State demands it from him.



It is necessary to abolish completely, both in principle and in fact, all that which is called political power; for, so long as political power exists, there will be ruler and ruled, masters and slaves, exploiters and exploited. Once abolished, political power should be replaced by an organization of productive forces and economic service.

Notwithstanding the enormous development of modern states - a development which in its ultimate phase is quite logically reducing the State to an absurdity - it is becoming evident that the days of the State and the State principle are numbered. Already we can see approaching the full emancipation of the toiling masses and their free social organization, free from governmental intervention, formed by economic associations of the people and brushing aside all the old State frontiers and national distinctions, and having as its basis only productive labor, humanized labor, having one common interest in spite of its diversity.

Mikhail Bakunin 1814-1876

http://raforum.info/IMG/jpg/1869_bakunin_basle.jpg

,but there are too damn many of them who do.I don't know if we can ever convince them otherwise.

I have found that the hypocracy of rich,white liberals is a very risky subject over there.Many people 0ver there get V-E-R-R-R-Y touchy if you suggest they are same.You have a lot more guts than I do,to raise some of the topics you have.

Anyway,good riddance,I'm glad you told me about this place.I'll probably leave,too. http://www.timmarkham.com/gallery/d/276-1/solidarity-conf.jpg

Another year and Tin's going to be in the New Age tank herself.

"Everyone is on their own path.."

From yesterday's CounterPunch :


America right now is "anti-war," in the sense that about two-thirds of the people think the war in Iraq is a bad business and the troops should come home. Anti-war sentiment was a major factor in the success of the Democrats in last November's elections, when they recaptured Congress. The irony is that this sharp disillusion of the voters with America's occupation of Iraq owes almost nothing to any anti-war movement. To say the anti-war movement is dead would be an overstatement. But in comparison to kindred movements in the 1960s and early 1970s, or to the struggles against Reagan's wars in Central America in the late 1980s, it is certainly inert.

The anti-war movement proved itself incapable of pressuring House Democrats to hold out. After the Bush veto, the Democratic resistance has crumbled. The Democrats' reward for this shameful collapse? Perceived now as fraudulent in their claims to oppose the war, their standing in the polls is as low as Bush's. Latest news is that the American military presence in Iraq will double by the end of the year.

Do anti-war "movements" end wars? The Vietnam War ended primarily because the Vietnamese defeated the Americans, and because a huge number of U.S. troops were in open mutiny. At home, a large sector of the society was in mutiny too. Anti-war movements are often most significant in their afterlife--schooling a new generation in attitudes and tactics of resistance. What's happened here in the U.S.A. across the intervening years since Vietnam is a steady, unsurprising decline in the left's overall political confidence and ambition and, as in the 1990s, a disastrous failure to attack the Democratic Party and Democratic administration led by Clinton and Gore for the onslaught on Yugoslavia and the inhumane sanctions against Iraq.

In the Bush years, we've seen a further decline in any independent left with any unified theoretical and practical strategy or even political theory; also a rise in unconstructive and indeed demobilizing paranoia, as in the orgy of 9/11 conspiracism. The campuses are sedate. The labor movement is reeling. To describe the anti-war movement in its effective form is really to mention a few good efforts such as the anti-recruitment campaigns, the tours by those who have lost children in Iraq, or three or four brave souls like Cindy Sheehan, who single-handedly reanimated the anti-war movement last year, commencing with her vigil outside Bush's Texas ranch, or the radical Catholic Kathy Kelly. http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn12312007.html

You're on a message board. Whaddya expect?

You're not going to get away from revolutionaries who read a few books and argue for revolutions. When push comes to shove they usually won't even cross the street to support the groups who put their bodies on the line. If you ask why not they have a plethora of excuses. "I don't want to get arrested" is the first one on their list. I've seen it over and over again.

Last months the doctors told me I have breast cancer and my medical bills are wiping me out. If I have to put up with another 4 years of the massive corruption, on a scale that's never been seen before in US politics, I'll shoot myself. Before I shoot myself, I'll write a thank you note to all the spoiled brat yuppie revolutionaries who think not voting is going to change anything when millions of people in places like Sierra Leone got their hands chopped off to stop them from voting.

The best illusion in US politics is that voting won't change anything. We've never had a voting population and it's time we did. Voter turnout in this country has been as low as 36%. In 2004 it reached a modern high of 55%. When you consider that those figures include what my husband calls the sulk factor which are choices like none of the above, write-ins or no confidence, the picture is even worse.

Fixing things is usually a long hard road but we live in a throwaway society. How many people even know how to grow their own food, cook or sew anymore? Most people can't be bothered to fix anything. The political application is to walk away from the system because it's broke.

My friend at Smoking Mirrors explains it like this:




http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/2007/12/ron-pau...

Some people think there’s got to be some bloody revolution and everybody is going to take to the streets. There are people arguing for this event. I am not sanguine about these people actually showing up if it happens. I have taken it to the street and I spent some years on the run or in prison for it. At another point I was framed with something and facing a life sentence and was able to prove my innocence against all odds. I’ve fought with the police and other elements and been injured a time or two.


Taking it to the streets is a last resort. I have suggested not going to work and not buying anything but food for as long as it takes to bring the corporations to their knees. Such strikes would be very effective. That’s my kind of revolution. Don’t support criminal industries. Don’t dance to bad music. Don’t eat shit food. Don’t buy crap and turn your ass to lard in front of a TV. That’s my kind of revolution. The other kind of revolution is a dicey affair. You could wind up with another warlord in office, someone worse. You never know. Read some history. Sometimes revolutions didn’t turn out so well.


The idea of a revolution is a dangerous myth

The ruling elites make sure mass protests never reach a tipping point. If they slip up and that happens, you almost always end up with a new ruling elite so this hardly improves the situation.

Most revolutions aren't the result of the efforts of a group of socialists, they're deliberately planned and financed by the elites to get rid of rival clans. They happen when social crises create situations in which "the lower classes do not want to live in the old way" and "the upper classes" are "unable to live in the old way" any longer (Lenin).

Far more regimes fell by coups than by successful revolutions because revolutions that don't come from the bottom can't succeed. We all know there isn't enough of an educated bottom in the US to make that happen because our prepostgraduate educational system is one of the worst in the world. This leaves us at the mercy of a coup to change the system. Coup by who?

Personally, I prefer the real politik assholes at DU. They don't know any better.
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Some of you may recall that the division (divided we fall) originated when the Kucinich worshippers wanted to impose a official endorsement of Kucinich--and Tinoire was only to willing to throw her long-time comrades back from the DU days- overboard to kiss Kucinich's ring. We all knew he would capitulate. We all knew that his purpose was to direct the Left flank. Always thought he was a petty little man with airy-fairy new age platitudes resonating with Obama's I'm-a-uniter-not-a-divider garbage, but the real story is his vindicative little power-play to get back at Edwards. Petty little man.

Obama, Tinoire. What say you?

Some of you may recall that the division (divided we fall) originated when the Kucinich worshippers wanted to impose a official endorsement of Kucinich--and Tinoire was only to willing to throw her long-time comrades back from the DU days- overboard to kiss Kucinich's ring. We all knew he would capitulate. We all knew that his purpose was to direct the Left flank. Always thought he was a petty little man with airy-fairy new age platitudes resonating with Obama's I'm-a-uniter-not-a-divider garbage, but the real story is his vindicative little power-play to get back at Edwards. Petty little man.

Obama, Tinoire. What say you?

Thanks for chiming in Raph. We miss you.

[quote]You're on a message board. Whaddya expect?

You're not going to get away from revolutionaries who read a few books and argue for revolutions. When push comes to shove they usually won't even cross the street to support the groups who put their bodies on the line. If you ask why not they have a plethora of excuses. "I don't want to get arrested" is the first one on their list. I've seen it over and over again.

Last months the doctors told me I have breast cancer and my medical bills are wiping me out. If I have to put up with another 4 years of the massive corruption, on a scale that's never been seen before in US politics, I'll shoot myself. Before I shoot myself, I'll write a thank you note to all the spoiled brat yuppie revolutionaries who think not voting is going to change anything when millions of people in places like Sierra Leone got their hands chopped off to stop them from voting.

The best illusion in US politics is that voting won't change anything. We've never had a voting population and it's time we did. Voter turnout in this country has been as low as 36%. In 2004 it reached a modern high of 55%. When you consider that those figures include what my husband calls the sulk factor which are choices like none of the above, write-ins or no confidence, the picture is even worse.

Fixing things is usually a long hard road but we live in a throwaway society. How many people even know how to grow their own food, cook or sew anymore? Most people can't be bothered to fix anything. The political application is to walk away from the system because it's broke.

My friend at Smoking Mirrors explains it like this:




http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/2007/12/ron-pau...

Some people think there’s got to be some bloody revolution and everybody is going to take to the streets. There are people arguing for this event. I am not sanguine about these people actually showing up if it happens. I have taken it to the street and I spent some years on the run or in prison for it. At another point I was framed with something and facing a life sentence and was able to prove my innocence against all odds. I’ve fought with the police and other elements and been injured a time or two.


Taking it to the streets is a last resort. I have suggested not going to work and not buying anything but food for as long as it takes to bring the corporations to their knees. Such strikes would be very effective. That’s my kind of revolution. Don’t support criminal industries. Don’t dance to bad music. Don’t eat shit food. Don’t buy crap and turn your ass to lard in front of a TV. That’s my kind of revolution. The other kind of revolution is a dicey affair. You could wind up with another warlord in office, someone worse. You never know. Read some history. Sometimes revolutions didn’t turn out so well.


The idea of a revolution is a dangerous myth

The ruling elites make sure mass protests never reach a tipping point. If they slip up and that happens, you almost always end up with a new ruling elite so this hardly improves the situation.

Most revolutions aren't the result of the efforts of a group of socialists, they're deliberately planned and financed by the elites to get rid of rival clans. They happen when social crises create situations in which "the lower classes do not want to live in the old way" and "the upper classes" are "unable to live in the old way" any longer (Lenin).

Far more regimes fell by coups than by successful revolutions because revolutions that don't come from the bottom can't succeed. We all know there isn't enough of an educated bottom in the US to make that happen because our prepostgraduate educational system is one of the worst in the world. This leaves us at the mercy of a coup to change the system. Coup by who?

Personally, I prefer the real politik assholes at DU. They don't know any better.
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That's an amazing post. The disconnects are astonishing.

So this person is going to blow themselves to smithereens if the corruption regarding Health Care doesn't change in the next four years and then goes on to extol the virtues of voting, using an infantile analogy with Sierra Leone, completely disregarding that every single viable candidate has plans that continue the corruption in Health Care. (Shakes head, takes breath).

Now get this.

Not only do all of these corporate wankers plan to continue the Health Care Corruption (it now has a title) but they plan to gussie it up as mandatory health care that all the good citizens will be forced into or they get penalized. And then all of the Good Citizens WILL have health care. Amazing scheme isn't it?

But wait there's more.

The best illusion in politics bit?

Oh my.

100% guarantee this person has not even looked into what it takes to even get on a ballot for a mid-level State office let alone something where one actually has some degree of power.

There are other equally important illusions (snicker here folks) such as vast numbers of lobbyists, careerists, political apparatchiks and other minor facts such as The US Military State that runs much of the agenda as to what we endure in the political sphere. Oh of course this is just a drop in the bucket we could go on all night about the illusory American political scene and the "voting making a difference" wouldn't be in the conversation.

"Your vote makes a difference." Years and years of brainwashing.

Now one's vote could make a difference but not unless we attend to many other matters.

Now one could really dig their teeth into the "my kind of revolution" bit but I'm not up for it at the moment.

Consumer revolution? Oh brother.

"Just don't buy stuff!! Hey look now we've got power, the corporations are on their knees!!"

More feel-good liberal BS. Very, very self-centered smug assholes.

For the information.

A resource guide:

A COMPILATION- TOP 96 PI THREADS OF 2007

http://progressiveindependent.com/dc/dc ... c_id=80337 (http://progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=80337)

Some of you may recall that the division (divided we fall) originated when the Kucinich worshippers wanted to impose a official endorsement of Kucinich--and Tinoire was only to willing to throw her long-time comrades back from the DU days- overboard to kiss Kucinich's ring. We all knew he would capitulate. We all knew that his purpose was to direct the Left flank. Always thought he was a petty little man with airy-fairy new age platitudes resonating with Obama's I'm-a-uniter-not-a-divider garbage, but the real story is his vindicative little power-play to get back at Edwards. Petty little man.

Obama, Tinoire. What say you?

Holy crap, my Dad was watching Bill Moyers tonight interviewing Paul then Kucinich and I think you're right Raph. Moyers read an email from a DK supporter angry that DK backed Obama and not Edwards.

Kucinich first goes evasive "It'd take longer to answer than we have" followed by "I know these candidates" followed by "I backed Edwards in 04 and I just feel Obama offers something positive" and "That was a suggestion for Iowa only I still plan to compete in NH"

No, those aren't typos, several of his multiple answers were non-sequiturs.

ain't no one left to call bullshit.

http://www.progressiveindependent.com/d ... c_id=80528 (http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=80528)

Ain't sayin you should go back to kick ass and take names, wouldn't wish that on a feeder mouse.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Falling_hare_bugs.jpg

What a bunch of maroons.

ain't no one left to call bullshit.

http://www.progressiveindependent.com/d ... c_id=80528 (http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=80528)

Ain't sayin you should go back to kick ass and take names, wouldn't wish that on a feeder mouse.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Falling_hare_bugs.jpg

What a bunch of maroons.

Hahahahahaha, what could be more fitting then most of PI switching to vote Republican??

Anyway, Stan Goff is an asshole. Not gallery worthy, but you can contract buttmunch just from reading his articles.

ain't no one left to call bullshit.

http://www.progressiveindependent.com/d ... c_id=80528 (http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=80528)



I don't even know what to say... *shakes head and walks away*

ain't no one left to call bullshit.

http://www.progressiveindependent.com/d ... c_id=80528 (http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=80528)



I don't even know what to say... *shakes head and walks away*

It's a chance to learn somethin' M&M (he says putting a positive spin on things...).

The germ or potential for this level of bankruptcy was always there. In the general case, the whole cycle of disillusioned professional who becomes a DUer and then falls off the DU acceptably list to repeat the essentially electoral strategy but from a more radical position - that's pretty much par for the course for a lot of people, many of whom I suspect will end up with Obama. In the specific case, Tin has always smelled of this.... "It's all too important and I understand the secret sauce and my heart is bursting so... I'm gonna do somethin' really radical like step on your foot or eat earthworms." The Dali aspect of it all shouldn't hide the innate opportunism that was always present. There is a class loyalty there that always ends up with an anti-communist/anti-radical position and, with it, nowhere to run to. Even the willingness to support an open goose-stepper is not unusual. Check out the history of the American Socialists and social-democrats and how far to the right they ended up shifting (DLC, PNAC, etc.), not just as individuals but as entire organizations. That drunken asshole, Hitchens, is unique personally but common ideologically. There are thousands who can glibly use left reasons to fully embrace right-wing causes. In the end, it's always about class.

One, more abstract, implication of this is in the embrace of the slogan: "thus far but no further..." If one criticizes and understands the nature of the society and thus understands the limitations of "traditional avenues for change" (trademark - Obama), but also rejects revolutionary methods, then what? Where is one to go? The reasons and logic are almost an afterthought.

In some ways, this is identical to the history of the liberal bankruptcy which predated the "populist" Russians (Narodniks). Figures... Not even our opportunism is "original"
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ain't no one left to call bullshit.

http://www.progressiveindependent.com/d ... c_id=80528 (http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=80528)



I don't even know what to say... *shakes head and walks away*

It's a chance to learn somethin' M&M (he says putting a positive spin on things...).

The germ or potential for this level of bankruptcy was always there. In the general case, the whole cycle of disillusioned professional who becomes a DUer and then falls off the DU acceptably list to repeat the essentially electoral strategy but from a more radical position - that's pretty much par for the course for a lot of people, many of whom I suspect will end up with Obama. In the specific case, Tin has always smelled of this.... "It's all too important and I understand the secret sauce and my heart is bursting so... I'm gonna do somethin' really radical like step on your foot or eat earthworms." The Dali aspect of it all shouldn't hide the innate opportunism that was always present. There is a class loyalty there that always ends up with an anti-communist/anti-radical position and, with it, nowhere to run to. Even the willingness to support an open goose-stepper is not unusual. Check out the history of the American Socialists and social-democrats and how far to the right they ended up shifting (DLC, PNAC, etc.), not just as individuals but as entire organizations. That drunken asshole, Hitchens, is unique personally but common ideologically. There are thousands who can glibly use left reasons to fully embrace right-wing causes. In the end, it's always about class.

One, more abstract, implication of this is in the embrace of the slogan: "thus far but no further..." If one criticizes and understands the nature of the society and thus understands the limitations of "traditional avenues for change" (trademark - Obama), but also rejects revolutionary methods, then what? Where is one to go? The reasons and logic are almost an afterthought.

In some ways, this is identical to the history of the liberal bankruptcy which predated the "populist" Russians (Narodniks). Figures... Not even our opportunism is "original"
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Meanwhile, I just found out that they staged a Ron Paul march in World Of Warcraft. Marchers bore clevery names such as Ron Paulidin (Paladin).

There really, literally couldn't be a better way of encapsulating the Ron Paul Revolution than that. Unless you had a big heaping, steaming pile of shit that is.

ain't no one left to call bullshit.

http://www.progressiveindependent.com/d ... c_id=80528 (http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=80528)

Ain't sayin you should go back to kick ass and take names, wouldn't wish that on a feeder mouse.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Falling_hare_bugs.jpg

What a bunch of maroons.

If ever I was to go back it would be in that bit especially with the dysfunctional and unstable TLC giving her sophomoric two cents. "Let's all register as Republicans." It's all so pathetic and of course there is no reason to even bother as others here have said this sort of thing was already in the works. We knew this was comin' cause it was always there. It's a salon.

Now if you'll trace the record from the likes of 7thson, mills, tin and so many others what you would find is an almost desperate sounding vacillation between Edwards, Paul, Obama, Kucinich et al with none of them "being perfect" but what's a "progressive" to? Fortunately some of the posters see through that crap but the loudest ones are fully pledged members of Empire acting out their roles as acceptable dissidents.

Now you can pile mountains of information upon these people, can anyone honestly say that if nothing else I had done this?, and in the end it doesn't matter mostly due to their lack of historical perspective and knowledge of economic theory.

And as Kid points out one can pretty much go blind from reading Goff. He is a very confused individual which pre-dates any of his latest political genius regarding Ron Paul.

So there they are with a leaky roof and incapable of climbing up and checking into it themselves so they call the plumber to deal with the drips. They haven't even the wherewithal to call a roofer and there seems no chance at all that they might consider it to be the foundation not the roof.

Apologies for the odious analogy.

Maybe eattherich and MM will give 'em a head slap. Me not head back to White Man's Camp.

http://www.banksy.co.uk/indoors/images/hunters.gif

WTF? The whole place has been a complete fraud and con right from the beginning - thoroughly, irredeemably, irrefutably.

The big lie - the "if you are to the left of...." welcome message.