I think it is time for a new thread.

Sure, why not? One thing that has struck me in the potential this site has to spark discussion (and controversy) elsewhere. It really is true what Anax has said more than once -- where else ya gonna go?

I am always trying to get a bigger audience, and get disappointed we don't get more traffic here. But after my recent ultimate disastrous failure to create that, here we are again.

I am always trying to get a bigger audience, and get disappointed we don't get more traffic here. But after my recent ultimate disastrous failure to create that, here we are again.

Alot of people say they are scared to post here because they think it is over their heads. If anyone is intellectually overmatched, its me lol :) I think some of it is the feeling that they simply don't have the time to bone up on all of the varying things out there to talk about. That's not a personal failing, peopel are busy.

Also, as you've discovered it is not easy to talk openly about socialism among a group of people that are not already most of the way there.

For instance, I talked to some hipster Obama volunteer who teaches middle school history. He said he respected my views on radical revolution (condescendingly) but that he felt incremental change was the only way and further that he'd looked at the candidates and had to consider which one would be better after the last 8 years.

At no point did I state my views on anything other than telling him I was a socialist. The conversation went something like:

(for the record, I'm Evil ;))

Good: How great is Obama? (hand to groin)
Evil: I don't like him
Good: You're a leftist and you DON'T like Obama
Evil: Right
Good: ???
Evil: I'm a socialist

then see above

FWIW, I think y'all are swell and I read here all the time. I have very little to contribute so far. I could bring stories to add to Chlamor's files if you like. Is there a thread for that?

FWIW, I think y'all are swell and I read here all the time.

Not everyone at the treehouse seems to agree..;)

Can't be helped, we're just so negative. Gotta lighten up, stick a hatpin through our forehead and pretend that a little tweaking, a couple Supremes & a super in the Senate and we're out of the woods.

But I think this might be where in the story that the bread crumbs have been eaten by birds. This might be when things get interesting.

a couple Supremes & a super in the Senate and we're out of the woods.



Even they can't save us now..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/graphics/2008/04/26/sm_supremes126.jpg

I just knew it was time for a new thread. Maybe a whole new garment.

Observations about the election -

- What are all of those people going to talk about now? They have been obsessively focused on the WH and on partisan politics. Now what? It will be interesting to watch.

- I expect more red-baiting than ever now. We won, it's over, blah blah. This is as much of a defeat for the Left as it is for the right.

- An enormous opportunity was squandered. If the back-up, be careful, go slow was sufficient to rout the Republicans, imagine the public mood.

- Will the fanaticism and personality cult around Obama die out now?

I just knew it was time for a new thread. Maybe a whole new garment.

Observations about the election -

- What are all of those people going to talk about now? They have been obsessively focused on the WH and on partisan politics. Now what? It will be interesting to watch.

- I expect more red-baiting than ever now. We won, it's over, blah blah. This is as much of a defeat for the Left as it is for the right.

- An enormous opportunity was squandered. If the back-up, be careful, go slow was sufficient to rout the Republicans, imagine the public mood.

- Will the fanaticism and personality cult around Obama die out now?

That's all mainly spin spun by spinmeisters FOR spinmeisters. The Obama movement is one of the lamest "movements" of all time.

Nothing was squandered IMO..are any of the "fundamentals" going to suddenly change or go away?

How are they going to "explain" when their hero turns out not to be so heroic afterall?

Nothing was squandered IMO..are any of the "fundamentals" going to suddenly change or go away?

Naw I mean all of the blue collar and rural folks rejecting the right wingers. That is an opportunity.

I just knew it was time for a new thread. Maybe a whole new garment.

Observations about the election -

- What are all of those people going to talk about now? They have been obsessively focused on the WH and on partisan politics. Now what? It will be interesting to watch.

- I expect more red-baiting than ever now. We won, it's over, blah blah. This is as much of a defeat for the Left as it is for the right.

- An enormous opportunity was squandered. If the back-up, be careful, go slow was sufficient to rout the Republicans, imagine the public mood.

- Will the fanaticism and personality cult around Obama die out now?

The responses are as follows: Obama Fan Club, yes, yes, and NO - see Obama Fan Club
I've gotta say Mike, when you're right ...

I just knew it was time for a new thread. Maybe a whole new garment.

Observations about the election -

- What are all of those people going to talk about now? They have been obsessively focused on the WH and on partisan politics. Now what? It will be interesting to watch.

- I expect more red-baiting than ever now. We won, it's over, blah blah. This is as much of a defeat for the Left as it is for the right.

- An enormous opportunity was squandered. If the back-up, be careful, go slow was sufficient to rout the Republicans, imagine the public mood.

- Will the fanaticism and personality cult around Obama die out now?

Actually, I think they (and the "netroots" in general) are in a "period of transition". I think you are dead-on for the short term but how does one sustain it? A representative snapshot of GD topics from tonight:


BREAKING NEWS: Grovelbot is GLBT. He just came out! [View All]
Peru offers bald dog of Incas to Obamas [View All]
talk radio today.....boortz, hannity et all ...they are jumping scared
My Day at a Puppy Mill [View All]
Disgraced pastor Haggard: I was abused as child [View All]
"The END!" of Wall Street.........from the guy who wrote "Liar's Poker!"
What IS it with the DUer obsession with Palin? She lost,folks!
Should the Obamas accept the dog from Peru? (Poll) [View All]
High Fat Diet Linked to Memory Loss and Cognitive Decline
Watching Olberman I saw Cheney and I think he's dying [View All]
Mandatory Wednesday Malloy Truthseekers check in!! Harrison in for Mike [View All]
So, someone I know very well told me today his CPA is now buying a gun/month as part of a revolution [View All]
Poll: Your opinion: Alcoholism: addiction or disease (Poll) [View All]
I just don't think Palin is that good looking! She's highly made up and hard
Forget Lee Atwater, Mary Matalin's soul is the darkest of them all [View All]
*** AUTUMN PHOTOGRAPHY CONTEST - ROUND 3 *** (Poll)
Who is this hateful bastard on CNN? I HATE fricking bigots - especially religous bigots.
What kind of President would Michael Dukakis have been?
Helen Thomas returns to her desk at the White House - pics [View All]
*** AUTUMN PHOTOGRAPHY CONTEST - ROUND 1 *** (Poll)
Crocs (yup, the shoe manufacturer) losing lots of money [View All]


Seriously...

Actually, I think they (and the "netroots" in general) are in a "period of transition". I think you are dead-on for the short term but how does one sustain it? A representative snapshot of GD topics from tonight:


BREAKING NEWS: Grovelbot is GLBT. He just came out! [View All]
Peru offers bald dog of Incas to Obamas [View All]
talk radio today.....boortz, hannity et all ...they are jumping scared
My Day at a Puppy Mill [View All]
Disgraced pastor Haggard: I was abused as child [View All]
"The END!" of Wall Street.........from the guy who wrote "Liar's Poker!"
What IS it with the DUer obsession with Palin? She lost,folks!
Should the Obamas accept the dog from Peru? (Poll) [View All]
High Fat Diet Linked to Memory Loss and Cognitive Decline
Watching Olberman I saw Cheney and I think he's dying [View All]
Mandatory Wednesday Malloy Truthseekers check in!! Harrison in for Mike [View All]
So, someone I know very well told me today his CPA is now buying a gun/month as part of a revolution [View All]
Poll: Your opinion: Alcoholism: addiction or disease (Poll) [View All]
I just don't think Palin is that good looking! She's highly made up and hard
Forget Lee Atwater, Mary Matalin's soul is the darkest of them all [View All] GrizzlyMan Wed Nov-12-08 11:10 PM 26 0 397
*** AUTUMN PHOTOGRAPHY CONTEST - ROUND 3 *** (Poll)
Who is this hateful bastard on CNN? I HATE fricking bigots - especially religous bigots.
What kind of President would Michael Dukakis have been? EconomicLiber... Wed Nov-12-08 11:09 PM 14 1 267
Helen Thomas returns to her desk at the White House - pics [View All]
*** AUTUMN PHOTOGRAPHY CONTEST - ROUND 1 *** (Poll)
Crocs (yup, the shoe manufacturer) losing lots of money [View All]


Seriously...

ROFL

Anax I thought you were making this shit up.
So I had to go look.

:shock:

Hehe, you missed some of the breaking ones though.

China wants to make bricks from toxic milk: report
TYT: Will Sarah Palin take a porno offer?

ROFL

Anax I thought you were making this shit up.
So I had to go look.

:shock:

Hehe, you missed some of the breaking ones though.

China wants to make bricks from toxic milk: report
TYT: Will Sarah Palin take a porno offer?

Amazin', ain't it?

I suspect there is a small percentage of 1960s malcontents and normal-people-radicals who have also noticed what we are talkin' about and have just about had it, a larger percentage of those who are getting that feeling again, an even larger but still small group singin' the blues (publicly or privately), a huge "middle" who are "hopefully" waiting but are eventually destined to sing the blues, and a medium size group of "loyalists" whose ADD is already kicking in.

I am willing to put money down that there will be a Conference (hosted by 'Markos', maybe), within a year, on the subject of how the "net-roots went wrong".

The only real plus here is how quickly and completely bankrupt this liberal politics has become and how politically ineffectual the suburban IT professional has proven to be. Oh well, the "middle-class" has mostly been a figure of speech for decades, anyway.

No guts, n'est pas?
Time for somebody else.

http://www.photodan.net/archives/zydeco.jpg

The only real plus here is how quickly and completely bankrupt this liberal politics has become and how politically ineffectual the suburban IT professional has proven to be. Oh well, the "middle-class" has mostly been a figure of speech for decades, anyway.

NPR programming consists of lifestyle liberalism - gourmet organic this and that and "sustainable" tech "breakthroughs" - and economic "experts" spinning away frantically, all from the point of view of the investor class. Whistling past the graveyard.

Those who seemed kinda sorta leftist before the election are suddenly so clearly not - Garrison Keillor comes immediately to mind. They could pose as leftists so long as their was an extreme right wing movement controlling everything for contrast.

The only real plus here is how quickly and completely bankrupt this liberal politics has become and how politically ineffectual the suburban IT professional has proven to be. Oh well, the "middle-class" has mostly been a figure of speech for decades, anyway.

NPR programming consists of lifestyle liberalism - gourmet organic this and that and "sustainable" tech "breakthroughs" - and economic "experts" spinning away frantically, all from the point of view of the investor class. Whistling past the graveyard.

Those who seemed kinda sorta leftist before the election are suddenly so clearly not - Garrison Keillor comes immediately to mind. They could pose as leftists so long as their was an extreme right wing movement controlling everything for contrast.

I have a liberal friend who listens to the classical programming on NPR and even HE turns off the NPR news/discussion break-ins..I remember not that long ago listening to an interview with some professor about why the bailout was so necessary. He tossed in a few caveats about using the money responsibly of course..

This battle has been going on between the "they are going to take away my organic veggies!" crowd and the "they are going to ban the Bible!" crowd. Now after all of the resources and time and thought people have put into that battle, the smoke has cleared, and "we" have "won" or "we" have "lost," but the bills keep coming due and nothing much has changed. Neither the Bible nor organic veggies are going to pay the mortgage nor the utility bill.

ROFL

Anax I thought you were making this shit up.
So I had to go look.

:shock:

Hehe, you missed some of the breaking ones though.

China wants to make bricks from toxic milk: report
TYT: Will Sarah Palin take a porno offer?

Amazin', ain't it?

I suspect there is a small percentage of 1960s malcontents and normal-people-radicals who have also noticed what we are talkin' about and have just about had it, a larger percentage of those who are getting that feeling again, an even larger but still small group singin' the blues (publicly or privately), a huge "middle" who are "hopefully" waiting but are eventually destined to sing the blues, and a medium size group of "loyalists" whose ADD is already kicking in.


Oh... I forgot the Fantasy Football... err... Politics League:

"Then Hill can be SOS and we can appoint Duckworth as Senator from Illinois and, and then we have Rahm... but of course you have to govern from the center because of 2010 so McKaskill and Webb should probably stay in the Senate...

BUT WHAT ABOUT RUNNING BACKS and defensive ends???!?!!?"
.

ROFL

Anax I thought you were making this shit up.
So I had to go look.

:shock:

Hehe, you missed some of the breaking ones though.

China wants to make bricks from toxic milk: report
TYT: Will Sarah Palin take a porno offer?

Amazin', ain't it?

I suspect there is a small percentage of 1960s malcontents and normal-people-radicals who have also noticed what we are talkin' about and have just about had it, a larger percentage of those who are getting that feeling again, an even larger but still small group singin' the blues (publicly or privately), a huge "middle" who are "hopefully" waiting but are eventually destined to sing the blues, and a medium size group of "loyalists" whose ADD is already kicking in.


Oh... I forgot the Fantasy Football... err... Politics League:

"Then Hill can be SOS and we can appoint Duckworth as Senator from Illinois and, and then we have Rahm... but of course you have to govern from the center because of 2010 so McKaskill and Webb should probably stay in the Senate...

BUT WHAT ABOUT RUNNING BACKS and defensive ends???!?!!?"
.

Insider tips, you didn't hear from me. If you have Lieberman on your Senate roster, start him..I think he could win alot of votes. However, if you still have George Bush as your starting POTUS, you should package alot to get Hillary for your Executive Branch.

Also, move Ted Stevens while he still has any value at all..getting back a third string Republican governor would be a great move.

Also, if you've been holding on to any disgraced Republicans in your keeper league "just in case", its time to cut them outright..

If you took my advice and picked up Volcker on the cheap like I advised last month, you are feeling like a genius

If you have Al Franken offer a trade straight-up for Sarah Palin..

PS Jeb is now the Bush to have..

Never mind the fantasy league. Did you see that game last week? The Wall Street Investors beat the Mudtown Workers 82 - 0.

Or was it 800 billion to nothing? Whatever, it was a blow out. Pathetic.

The Workers need a complete overhaul. They have the players - the talent has always been there. But management sucks. Yeah, yeah, I know, they have this new Black QB - historic event, tears flowed, we peed our pants and all of that - and that will sell a few tickets and be good for merchandising, but the team is still without any leadership or direction.

Never mind the fantasy league. Did you see that game last week? The Wall Street Investors beat the Mudtown Workers 82 - 0.

Or was it 800 billion to nothing? Whatever, it was a blow out. Pathetic.

The Workers need a complete overhaul. They have the players - the talent has always been there. But management sucks. Yeah, yeah, I know, they have this new Black QB - historic event, tears flowed, we peed our pants and all of that - and that will sell a few tickets and be good for merchandising, but the team is still without any leadership or direction.

I don't think we got blown out so much as we wasted the number #1 pick on a guy who will be an albatross for years to come. Obviously the popular sentiment was not what it has been portrayed to be, not so much "hopeful" as demanding.

And eventually, however much pocket change gets thrown at the problem, someone, whether its new Prez Barry O or not, is gonna have to answer to that.

Let's make sure its them who get fed into the meatgrinder this time.

Holy shit, kid.

Michigan has lost 8 times this season for the first time ever. That is 129 years. First time in 33 years they have not gone to a bowl game. First time since 1962 that they did not win 2 consecutive games. First time ever to lose 5 games in the big house in a season.

Wisconsin isn't doing much better, so no gloating by any badgers that happen to be lurking around here...

Badgers? We don't need no stinkin' badgers!

http://www.cowboysindians.com/articles/archives/1199/images/wallach.jpg

Sweet revenge for Northwestern, to go into Ann Arbor and hand then their eight loss after all the times Michigan has pummeled them.

Sweet revenge for Northwestern, to go into Ann Arbor and hand then their eight loss after all the times Michigan has pummeled them.

What pisses us off here is that Michigan State could beat Penn State next week and still not go to the Rose Bowl. It was a perfect year for MSU to pounce with other teams down but their lack of speed on defense and inability to stop a running QB led to a 50-0 type loss to Ohio State.

Although I have to say MSU will probably get clocked next week, making this discussion moot. Javon Ringer has been a monster this year, but the QB play -- as always -- sucks and the defense is OK except when it really needs to be.

On the flip side, if the Gators don't win the national title it will be a pretty big upset at this point. Maybe Texas Tech or Oklahoma could outscore 'em but I doubt it. From his Michigan State days, we know Nick Saban can coach up a defense, but that won't save an Alabama team that can't score to save their life.

The Michigan situation is insane -- I don't know for sure but my guess is that Rich Rodriguez was never what they claimed he was and his gimmick offense is exposed. The Lloyd Carr cupboard wasn't THAT bare. Although, one thing I can tell you is that Lloyd Carr is the most boring coach of all time..his weekly coache's corner TV show was just unbearable..coma city

Wisconsin isn't doing much better, so no gloating by any badgers that happen to be lurking around here... Badgers? We don't need no stinkin' badgers!

Does Wisconsin have a football team? I hadn't noticed! You know it's a bad sports year when there are 2 Texas teams in the ap top 5, the Green Bay Packers can't win after chasing Favre away, the Dolphins are abysmal, and on the tennis front Roger Federer can't win a match to save himself. I may have to sell the teevee on eBay.

Wisconsin isn't doing much better, so no gloating by any badgers that happen to be lurking around here... Badgers? We don't need no stinkin' badgers!

Does Wisconsin have a football team? I hadn't noticed! You know it's a bad sports year when there are 2 Texas teams in the ap top 5, the Green Bay Packers can't win after chasing Favre away, the Dolphins are abysmal, and on the tennis front Roger Federer can't win a match to save himself. I may have to sell the teevee on eBay.

Did you mean to say the Dolphins aren't abyssmal? I'm not a fan but I think they're 4-4 ish and the Packers are similar. Aaron Rodgers is already being annointed a star, too. And last game's heroics aside, Bad Brett is still a turnover machine..

Yeah, Miami is about the same as the Packers this year, I guess I should save "abysmal" for the Texans. We'll likely see that when they play the Colts today. I don't really watch Miami, just hear about them from Mr. TBF who was born in 1972 and grew up watching Dan Marino - the best quarterback of all time. Which brings us to Favre, who has done pretty well for the Jets this year, though, as they say back home "he ain't no Bart Starr". ;)

FWIW, I think y'all are swell and I read here all the time.

Not everyone at the treehouse seems to agree..;)

I had to jump out of the treehouse last week so as not to be driven entirely insane. Mike, as you all know, is much brighter and jumped first so it was easy to follow the bread crumbs. That's all I'm going to say about that but I wanted you all to know.

I won't post as much here because I know nothing, but Kid has me reading Lenin's "Imperialism" so I'll at least be able to follow along. :D

The Michigan situation is insane -- I don't know for sure but my guess is that Rich Rodriguez was never what they claimed he was and his gimmick offense is exposed. The Lloyd Carr cupboard wasn't THAT bare. Although, one thing I can tell you is that Lloyd Carr is the most boring coach of all time..his weekly coach's corner TV show was just unbearable..coma city

This is not supposed to happen in Ann Arbor. A rebuilding year usually means an 8-4 record. A bad year is to lose to either Michigan State or Ohio State, not to lose 8 games, including a MAC team with a losing record - Toledo, at home, for pete's sake.

There is no such thing as a "bare cupboard" at Michigan. This is all on the head of Rodriguez.

I had to jump out of the treehouse last week so as to not be driven entirely insane. Mike, as you all know, is much brighter and jumped first so it was easy to follow the bread crumbs. That's all I'm going to say about that but I wanted you all to know.

I won't post as much here because I know nothing, but Kid has me reading Lenin's "Imperialism" so I'll at least be able to follow along. :D

No worries. Hell I don't know anything, and kid and anax are much smarter than I am.

I had to jump out of the treehouse last week so as to not be driven entirely insane. Mike, as you all know, is much brighter and jumped first so it was easy to follow the bread crumbs. That's all I'm going to say about that but I wanted you all to know.

I won't post as much here because I know nothing, but Kid has me reading Lenin's "Imperialism" so I'll at least be able to follow along. :D

No worries. Hell I don't know anything, and kid and anax are much smarter than I am.

and I'm as sharp as a box of marbles myself...

(Ohio State rules)

Yeah, Miami is about the same as the Packers this year, I guess I should save "abysmal" for the Texans. We'll likely see that when they play the Colts today. I don't really watch Miami, just hear about them from Mr. TBF who was born in 1972 and grew up watching Dan Marino - the best quarterback of all time. Which brings us to Favre, who has done pretty well for the Jets this year, though, as they say back home "he ain't no Bart Starr". ;)

Repent, woman, thou hast blasphemed.

Best quarrterback of all time my ass. Asshole had an arm but didn't call his own plays, what the hell is that?

These modern day quarterbacks are all arm and no head or guts. A Joe Montana argument I'll consider, otherwise, Johnny U was God.

http://www.mdhs.org/Library/Images/Mellon%20Images/Z24access/z24-01886.jpg

Yeah, Miami is about the same as the Packers this year, I guess I should save "abysmal" for the Texans. We'll likely see that when they play the Colts today. I don't really watch Miami, just hear about them from Mr. TBF who was born in 1972 and grew up watching Dan Marino - the best quarterback of all time. Which brings us to Favre, who has done pretty well for the Jets this year, though, as they say back home "he ain't no Bart Starr". ;)

Repent, woman, thou hast blasphemed.

Best quarrterback of all time my ass. Asshole had an arm but didn't call his own plays, what the hell is that?

These modern day quarterbacks are all arm and no head or guts. A Joe Montana argument I'll consider, otherwise, Johnny U was God.

http://www.mdhs.org/Library/Images/Mellon%20Images/Z24access/z24-01886.jpg

At the gym they have a big poster of Vince Lombardi and the following quote:


"The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack of will."

That was when I realized he was everything I was against ;)

Yeah, Miami is about the same as the Packers this year, I guess I should save "abysmal" for the Texans. We'll likely see that when they play the Colts today. I don't really watch Miami, just hear about them from Mr. TBF who was born in 1972 and grew up watching Dan Marino - the best quarterback of all time. Which brings us to Favre, who has done pretty well for the Jets this year, though, as they say back home "he ain't no Bart Starr". ;)

Repent, woman, thou hast blasphemed.

Best quarrterback of all time my ass. Asshole had an arm but didn't call his own plays, what the hell is that?

These modern day quarterbacks are all arm and no head or guts. A Joe Montana argument I'll consider, otherwise, Johnny U was God.

http://www.mdhs.org/Library/Images/Mellon%20Images/Z24access/z24-01886.jpg

Heh, it was actually Mr. TBF who declared Marino the best, and I always seem to lose all the arguments about Favre being better since I have little to no knowledge about football (that's what you get when you grow up watching the Packers). I will have to look up this "Johnny U" must be before my time!

At the gym they have a big poster of Vince Lombardi and the following quote:


"The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack of will."

That was when I realized he was everything I was against ;)

Apparently these days the willpower comes from attending this (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/Jul/12/famous-sons-battle-at-qb/) private school, where the Gretzy, Montana and Smith progeny are all competing for spots.

Yeah, Miami is about the same as the Packers this year, I guess I should save "abysmal" for the Texans. We'll likely see that when they play the Colts today. I don't really watch Miami, just hear about them from Mr. TBF who was born in 1972 and grew up watching Dan Marino - the best quarterback of all time. Which brings us to Favre, who has done pretty well for the Jets this year, though, as they say back home "he ain't no Bart Starr". ;)

Repent, woman, thou hast blasphemed.

Best quarrterback of all time my ass. Asshole had an arm but didn't call his own plays, what the hell is that?

These modern day quarterbacks are all arm and no head or guts. A Joe Montana argument I'll consider, otherwise, Johnny U was God.

http://www.mdhs.org/Library/Images/Mellon%20Images/Z24access/z24-01886.jpg

At the gym they have a big poster of Vince Lombardi and the following quote:


"The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack of will."

That was when I realized he was everything I was against ;)

I've always despised Lombardy, your typical Neitichian shithead. But I like the idea of a publically owned team, what happened to the Colts might have something to do with my politics. What that rich shithead did to Cleaveland to get Baltimore a team was equally disgraceful.

All I remember about Baltimore is eating turtles.

In fact, they looked exactly like your avatar. :D

All I remember about Baltimore is eating turtles.

Do you know, I don't recall ever seeing turtle on a menu in Baltimore, must have something to do with the joints I patronized.

Terrapin soup is a complicated recipe, 'bout six kinds of booze are involved as I recall. You'll not find that sort of thing in blue collar joints, just throw the crabs in a pot with a shitload of Old Bay. Don't ferget to put a brick on the lid.

Did get them live at the Fish Market, sold for bout $3 each in the late 60's. In 1920 they were about $10 each, the bourgeoisie were driving them to extinction. The Depression and Prohibition had more to do with their survival than any laws or conservation measures.
http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/c/carroll/lewis/alice/images/alice34a.gif

Do you know, I don't recall ever seeing turtle on a menu in Baltimore, must have something to do with the joints I patronized.

Terrapin soup is a complicated recipe, 'bout six kinds of booze are involved as I recall. You'll not find that sort of thing in blue collar joints, just throw the crabs in a pot with a shitload of Old Bay. Don't ferget to put a brick on the lid.

Did get them live at the Fish Market, sold for bout $3 each in the late 60's. In 1920 they were about $10 each, the bourgeoisie were driving them to extinction. The Depression and Prohibition had more to do with their survival than any laws or conservation measures.

Diamondback terrapins they were.

I knew a gal in college who was an old-money founding family blah blah in Baltimore. I had a chance to rub elbows with the upper crust a few times. The first time I visited there was during the holidays and I went to a party on an estate - like stepping back in time. The stables, the servant quarters. These were not nouveau riche, this was the real deal. Uniformed black servants were ladling out terrapin stew lol.

Turtles were a staple of the slave diet, and the word "cooter" comes from an African word.

In the fish market in Detroit back in the 60's they had these burlap bags full of snappers in the cooler. I guess someone was buying them and cooking them.

I guess Detroit is dying now. Can't believe the stories I am hearing from folks back home. Whole blocks full of abandoned homes.

Sounds like Delaney Valley, serious old money, there was an old rail spur out there for the convenience of the rich that I used to walk. as long as the locals didn't see me I was ok.

I have not been to Baltimore in ten years and fear the worst. The thought of the ancestral 'hood being gentrified burns me up, who the fuck do they think they are?
http://www.pattersonparkneighbors.org/images/inner/steps.jpg

Note the painted screen, an ancient art form.

I will see if I can figure out where I was in town. They had a place in town, an estate in the country and a shore home if I remember.

I asked her one time how powerful her family was in Baltimore, and she said "let's put it this way: you could do anything here except murder someone and we could get you out of it, and depending upon who you killed we might get you off on that too."

In fact, they looked exactly like your avatar. :D

I look exactly like my avatar

All I remember about Baltimore is eating turtles.

Do you know, I don't recall ever seeing turtle on a menu in Baltimore, must have something to do with the joints I patronized.

Terrapin soup is a complicated recipe, 'bout six kinds of booze are involved as I recall. You'll not find that sort of thing in blue collar joints, just throw the crabs in a pot with a shitload of Old Bay. Don't ferget to put a brick on the lid.

Did get them live at the Fish Market, sold for bout $3 each in the late 60's. In 1920 they were about $10 each, the bourgeoisie were driving them to extinction. The Depression and Prohibition had more to do with their survival than any laws or conservation measures.
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When I was a kid,yes this was back in Baltimore,I recall seeing Campbell's Turtle Soup (http://www.anapsid.org/usfws1.html) at the local A&P/Pantry Pride,what have you.I thought this might have been a regional thing,until I started Googling.

Thanks for that, Eats. There was some misleading and just plain wrong stuff in the details but the piece gives an idea of how bad it is. As someone who supported that trade for years I can only be ashamed. As much as we tried to mitigate the worst, drop dimes on the real assholes, justifiy ourselves with our commitment to breed herps for conservation we were just feeding the beast. Just one of the side shows of capitalism. gotta say the 'trade' was miniscule back then, before 'globilization'.

I think I recall seeing that soup on the shelves, now that you mention it. But that was Snapping turtle soup(Chelydra serpentina), not terrapin soup(Malaclemmys terrapin). Is a Philly thing, not B'more.

Time to get to the point of the new thread.

BP and I have been trying to move things to the SocIndy domain name and our server, without success. The problem is that we don't have access to the server to retrieve the database. I know that at one tome Megan was able to get the database from the phpbb admin board. Maybe we can get her to try it again.

There is no problem moving to the new domain name and server, but taking the database along with us has proved to be problematic, or impossible. The database has the posts, threads, and user data. The user data we can recreate by having everyone sign up fresh at SocIndy.

Individual posts we can copy and move into an archive forum at the new board. That would not have to happen all at once, nor in a hurry necessarily.

What say you all?

I don't think there is a problem.some of us have got bigger concerns than that,but if there is going to be any down time,it would sort of be nice to know.

Time to get to the point of the new thread.

BP and I have been trying to move things to the SocIndy domain name and our server, without success. The problem is that we don't have access to the server to retrieve the database. I know that at one tome Megan was able to get the database from the phpbb admin board. Maybe we can get her to try it again.

There is no problem moving to the new domain name and server, but taking the database along with us has proved to be problematic, or impossible. The database has the posts, threads, and user data. The user data we can recreate by having everyone sign up fresh at SocIndy.

Individual posts we can copy and move into an archive forum at the new board. That w0oulod not have to happen all at once, nor in a hurry necessarily.

What say you all?

There is quite an important stock of material on this site that would not lend itself to copying individual posts. Megan or Rusty had reported some success at moving the database.
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There is quite an important stock of material on this site that would not lend itself to copying individual posts. Megan or Rusty had reported some success at moving the database.
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OK. There is a "backup database" function in the control panel for the board. It says the db is 90 MB, but I can't get more than about 6 MB to download. The people at the support board for the program say "if your db is bigger than a couple of MB you will have trouble trying to download it through the control panel - count on that."

I remember that Megan was somehow able to get the entire db downloaded at some point. We can have her try that again. Otherwise if we can get access to the server controls from mugga, it will be a snap to grab the db.

I would like to add a "save as draft" feature for new posts.

Also,do you think there are any socialist/anarchist sites where you would want to promote it ?

Time to get to the point of the new thread.

BP and I have been trying to move things to the SocIndy domain name and our server, without success. The problem is that we don't have access to the server to retrieve the database. I know that at one tome Megan was able to get the database from the phpbb admin board. Maybe we can get her to try it again.

There is no problem moving to the new domain name and server, but taking the database along with us has proved to be problematic, or impossible. The database has the posts, threads, and user data. The user data we can recreate by having everyone sign up fresh at SocIndy.

Individual posts we can copy and move into an archive forum at the new board. That w0oulod not have to happen all at once, nor in a hurry necessarily.

What say you all?

There is quite an important stock of material on this site that would not lend itself to copying individual posts. Megan or Rusty had reported some success at moving the database.
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A lot of boards have year by year archives of posts.How hard are they to create ?

I'll see if I can try to do the backup thing again tonight and let you guys know if I have success....

I'll see if I can try to do the backup thing again tonight and let you guys know if I have success....

That would be great. I have no idea why you would have success, but if you do I won't look a gift horse in the mouth. The control panel says it is about 90 MB.

Did it 3 times in a row. The first was 5.9mb, the second was 7.5, and the third was 6.8.

Bleh.

Did it 3 times in a row. The first was 5.9mb, the second was 7.5, and the third was 6.8.

Bleh.

Same here. Thanks for trying.

There could be a limit set at the server, come to think of it.

Alright, I'll contact Rusty and Muga in the AM, see what they can do.Any better ideas, lemme know before 7am.

The good news is, I finally got around to backing up my music library, which was the whole reason I got the damn drive in the first place.

Lemme know if you find anything out - I'll probably have a little time tomorrow night to try again.

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