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TruthIsAll
08-07-2010, 08:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces

Dhalgren
08-08-2010, 08:50 AM
Eta: Never mind. I just "Googled" him - he was Marilyn Monroe's boyfriend...

Allen17
08-08-2010, 12:24 PM
When you strip the conspiracy theories to their core, all you get is liberal nostalgia, paranoid antisemitism, and American exceptionalism of the worst kind.

TBF
08-08-2010, 12:39 PM
"We are told that foreign correspondent Marx, stone broke, and with a family ill and undernourished, constantly appealed to Greeley and managing editor Charles Dana for an increase in his munificent salary of $5 per installment, a salary which he and Engels ungratefully labeled as the "lousiest petty bourgeois cheating."

But when all his financial appeals were refused, Marx looked around for other means of livelihood and fame, eventually terminating his relationship with the Tribune and devoting his talents full time to the cause that would bequeath the world the seeds of Leninism, Stalinism, revolution and the cold war.

If only this capitalistic New York newspaper had treated him more kindly; if only Marx had remained a foreign correspondent, history might have been different. And I hope all publishers will bear this lesson in mind the next time they receive a poverty-stricken appeal for a small increase in the expense account from an obscure newspaper man."

http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Archives/Reference+Desk/Speeches/JFK/003POF03NewspaperPublishers04271961.htm

anaxarchos
08-08-2010, 03:14 PM
That is very funny. If Horace Greeley hadn't been a cheap bastard, then Marx would have been William Safire...

... and there wouldn't have been any socialism

... and the world would have been safe for Liberal Democracy which would have had a monopoly.

Sheesh... what a close thing it was.

This weird-ass 'cult of personality' was what led Reagan to fund more and more accurate ICBMs - to "decapitate the Soviet leadership".

It is also what drives the "pinpoint" Predator strikes today.

This is a very strange view of history... why not just have a few "heroes" fight it out (like the Greeks) and avoid the wars involving millions?


http://www.isteroids.com/images/brad_pitt_troy_steroids.jpg

TBF
08-08-2010, 08:03 PM
But I like that picture... lol

Kid of the Black Hole
08-08-2010, 11:00 PM
and believe in them too.

Or maybe they see some kind of perverse levity in asking why they fight wars when they don't make sense.

blindpig
08-09-2010, 05:31 AM
as the 'Man Killer', ew. That's law suit material.

Dhalgren
08-09-2010, 07:22 AM
anti-working class bullshit these capitalist shills have been spewing for generations. This kind of pointless lying bullshit is what has murdered working people all over the world for the last hundred years. The vilification of the "evil" commies and how we ain't nothing like them - utter cow dung. Why would anyone post this sputum here?

starry messenger
08-09-2010, 08:13 AM
I was there for Reagan though, and frankly I'm not seeing much of a difference. Except Kennedy was a Keynesian and Reagan went whole hog for Hayek/Milton Friedman.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_200306/ai_n9298581/?tag=content;col1



The latest in the line of JFK profiles is Robert Dallek's JFK: An Unfinished Life. Most of the material is familiar, but the author's fast-paced writing style and attentiveness to detail breathes new life into the Kennedy saga. Readers will find it fascinating that the man so lionized by the left today was more conservative than liberal Democrat as a House member (1946-52) and senator (1952-60):

He broke with the Truman Administration to support the McCarran Act (requiring loyalty oaths for government employees); was the lone Democratic senator not to vote for the censure of family friend Joe McCarthy (R.-Wis.) and never uttered a harsh public word about McCarthy for the rest of his life; Kennedy denounced Truman's State Department for the loss of China in 1949, ("What our young men had saved, our diplomats and our President have frittered away"). He sponsored legislation to base U.S. aid to France 1954 on reforms they made in their colonial satrapy in Indochina. He vigorously backed U.S. action to stop communism in Greece and other European countries-impressive, since father Joseph Kennedy, ever the isolationist and self-centered, didn't care if Greece or any foreign country went Communist because it would just mean less U.S. dollars being sent abroad. When Rep. Kennedy returned from a trip overseas in 1951, he gave a nationwide radio address on "Issues in the Defense of Western Europe; Joseph Kennedy then took to the airwaves himself, calling on the United States, to shun additional alliances and warning sarcastically "our next effort will be to ally to ourselves the Eskimos of the North Pole and the Penguins of the Atlantic."

Because he wasn't a committed liberal and there was such widespread dislike for his wealthy and controversial father in the liberal establishment, Kennedy's bid for the Democratic presidential nod in 1960 was vigorously opposed by such icons of the left as Eleanor Roosevelt, Harry Truman, and Adlai Stevenson. It was only after he became the nominee that all three swallowed their doubts to campaign for him because, in Stevenson's words, "The alternative is Nixon!"


Seems like we go through this movie every damn time.

Dhalgren
08-09-2010, 09:13 AM
pervasive. And folks who will watch with equanimity while whole peoples are murdered for empire will go completely apoplectic at the very idea that the demigod JFK was anything less than divine...
:boy:

brother cakes
08-09-2010, 10:15 AM
You will hear people say Barack Obomber in the same breath as Gandhi and King. It's obscene.

edit: They don't actually call him "Barack Obomber"

TBF
08-09-2010, 02:09 PM
I spent 15 years in the DC area (including working in the law firms downtown). It changes with every election.