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chlams
08-03-2015, 04:49 PM
In a nutshell, vegans don’t use animals for food, clothing, entertainment or other purposes because vegans believe animals matter morally. Veganism is a matter of social justice and it’s something we owe animals. It’s not a form of deprivation or an act of charity.

Going vegan is easy, especially when you focus on how much animals endure for our most trivial interests. A cow’s life is not worth a steak or a milk shake, is it? Of course not! Here’s what you have to do to get started going vegan!

http://www.howdoigovegan.com/going-vegan-is-easy/

You raise three issues. First, you claim that going vegan is not easy. I disagree. I went vegan overnight 33 years ago. Once you understand that you are engaging in behavior that violates the fundamental rights of others, you have a choice. Your response depends on how you feel about the matter of fundamental moral obligations. I agree that some people have different responses here but it has nothing to do with any inherent difficulty in going vegan. If you make the decision to go vegan, you can learn what you need to know in a very brief period of time and it's easy to make simple vegan food. It's cheaper than being an omnivore.

Second, veganism *is* a matter of social justice. If we consumed plants directly and did not feed them to animals we eat, we could feed the world. Livestock in the U.S. consumes 7 times as much grain as is consumed by the entire U.S. population and grains fed to livestock could feed 840 million vegan humans.
Third, I have *no* idea what you mean about "placing blame on victims, particularly minorities." Many of us have spent time working on ways to eradicate food deserts in urban areas so that those in lower socioeconomic groups can get healthy food without getting ripped off and encouraged to eat more fast food, which is killing them.

In any event, most of us have no problem getting access to fruits, vegetables, grains, beans, and seeds. These are readily available just about everywhere and a plant diet is invariably cheaper than one that includes animal foods.

For the overwhelming number of us, it *is* a simple matter of choice and social justice requires that we make healthy foods accessible to all. Social justice also requires that we stop eating animal foods that require many more pounds of plant protein to make a single pound of animal protein.
Gary L. Francione
Professor, Rutgers University
www.AbolitionistApproach.com
www.HowDoIGoVegan.com

Superior people do superior things and are passing it off as a political movement.

Can't possibly get around very much if those are the dear professor's real world observations.

Go here to see discussion:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/a_haven_from_the_animal_holocaust_20150802

Dhalgren
08-04-2015, 09:25 AM
For the overwhelming number of us, it *is* a simple matter of choice and social justice requires that we make healthy foods accessible to all.

The Superior One has a demographics problem. The "overwhelming number of "us" i.e. the "majority" do not have "choices" when it comes to damned near anything. It isn't just "access" it is the ability to obtain = capacity to purchase that is the problem (and not just with pricey, superior vegan foods, but any kind of food, at all.

Now, if by we he means the superior few, I have no comment, because I don't care.

Next is the "social justice" aspect of vegetarianism. Farm animals are a "part" of human society the way aphids are "part" of ant society. Is it immoral or unethical for ants to "use" aphids for their betterment? Also, does this superior human realize that cows are a product of human society and appear nowhere in "nature"? What would he do with the hundreds of thousands of milk cows that HAVE to be milked twice a day, everyday, or they die, horrible deaths? Would he just turn them loose and let "nature" take its course? Oh, yeah, I guess the wolves and the coyotes would kill and eat them - in an ethical and moral way. Chickens? hundreds of millions of them? turned loose to die within days? The idea that you can just wave a magic wand and make society anything you want, by a simple and "easy" decision is just gut-jarringly stupid.

For a Superior One, Professor Francione is really dumb.

blindpig
08-04-2015, 09:35 AM
One page of comments was enough, what a bunch of entitled loons.