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curt_b
10-18-2009, 08:58 AM
This is a long read from 4 Unite Here members who were salted into the Bay area hotel industry over the last several years. It starts with the inside baseball stuff that I've quoted below, but then gets into some issues that anyone involved in the labor movement (or community organizing) might need a reminder about. It's common sense stuff, but reading slowly and reviewing one's work, and the "culture" of one's organization is needed with some regularity.

Open letter to all those concerned about the Labor Movement
http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/22902

Earlier this year a conflict over control of UNITE HERE between former UNITE and HERE leaders went public. Seeking to capitalize on this dispute, SEIU moved to swallow up the breakaway UNITE faction and began organizing in UNITE HERE's core jurisdictions. Since then, the conflict has raged on setting off a civil war in the labor movement.

This summer, opinion in the movement has seemed to harden against SEIU with presidents of many major unions publicly criticizing SEIU's role in the conflict, and in particular the behavior of SEIU's president, Andy Stern. We stand with UNITE HERE locals who are defending their union against raids and political attacks by SEIU and Workers United. However it is not enough to simply criticize SEIU. The dysfunction of the UNITE HERE - SEIU fight, coupled with NUHW's struggle against SEIU in California, have opened up incredible space for folks struggling for a more democratic labor movement to put forward a vision of what that movement could look like. In this letter, we will attempt to do that by taking an honest look at UNITE HERE. Specifically, we will argue that for UNITE HERE to prevail in its struggle with SEIU, it must differentiate itself from SEIU by strengthening its democratic practices.

First, however, we should fully disclose who we are. We have all chosen to work in hotels in the Bay Area and to volunteer in UNITE HERE Local 2 organizing campaigns over the past several years. This practice is known as salting. Most of us had limited experience in the labor movement prior to working with HERE, but each of us has devoted a minimum of two years working and organizing in our hotels. We have each spent significant time with staff discussing and in some cases developing strategy and tactics in our campaigns. Additionally, this past winter we were involved in a conflict with UNITE HERE leaders in the Bay Area over their unilateral decision to expel one of us from her hotel's organizing committee. This experience, as well as our time spent working on UNITE HERE Local 2 campaigns, informs our perspective.

In this letter we will try to put forward an independent and consistent analysis of unions that places emphasis on democracy and worker control. We will focus on the structure and culture of organizations, rather than the personalities of key leaders. We believe that this type of analysis can support all those struggling (whether as members or staff) to make their unions places that 1) teach and empower workers to fight collectively rather than simply mobilize them 2) support and encourage differences of opinion and dissent and 3) open up decision-making power to as wide a group as possible.

We recognize that the current struggle in organized labor exists within the larger context of an increasingly small and weakened labor movement. Partly this is due to factors beyond labor's immediate control, including decades of corporate and government attacks on unions and neo-liberal globalization. But our perspective is that we in the labor movement have to be self-reflective and take responsibility for our own actions. We know that writing this letter and raising questions about UNITE HERE in the midst of a war will lead many inside the union to claim that we are "aiding SEIU." Before the conflict with SEIU began, we were told that publicly raising questions about UNITE HERE would simply "aid the employers." Would we say that UNITE HERE is not entitled to fight SEIU because it "aids the employers"? As John Wilhelm, President of UNITE HERE, stated recently, "What's going on in the labor movement is a necessary reexamination of what the vision should be in this country for working people." One of the greatest gifts we believe we can give each other and our movements is to engage in honest debate and discussion about what needs to happen to strengthen those movements. We are not participating in raids on a sister union; we are simply raising ideas and questions. We want to help assure that UNITE HERE grows as a democratic, member controlled union and does not one day become the monster that SEIU is now.

Two Americas
10-18-2009, 10:40 AM
Great article. The link re-directs to a fund-raising page. I will grab the whole thing and post it.

Two Americas
10-18-2009, 10:49 AM
Open letter to all those concerned about the Labor Movement

Earlier this year a conflict over control of UNITE HERE between former UNITE and HERE leaders went public. Seeking to capitalize on this dispute, SEIU moved to swallow up the breakaway UNITE faction and began organizing in UNITE HERE's core jurisdictions. Since then, the conflict has raged on setting off a civil war in the labor movement.

This summer, opinion in the movement has seemed to harden against SEIU with presidents of many major unions publicly criticizing SEIU's role in the conflict, and in particular the behavior of SEIU's president, Andy Stern. We stand with UNITE HERE locals who are defending their union against raids and political attacks by SEIU and Workers United. However it is not enough to simply criticize SEIU. The dysfunction of the UNITE HERE - SEIU fight, coupled with NUHW's struggle against SEIU in California, have opened up incredible space for folks struggling for a more democratic labor movement to put forward a vision of what that movement could look like. In this letter, we will attempt to do that by taking an honest look at UNITE HERE. Specifically, we will argue that for UNITE HERE to prevail in its struggle with SEIU, it must differentiate itself from SEIU by strengthening its democratic practices.

First, however, we should fully disclose who we are. We have all chosen to work in hotels in the Bay Area and to volunteer in UNITE HERE Local 2 organizing campaigns over the past several years. This practice is known as salting. Most of us had limited experience in the labor movement prior to working with HERE, but each of us has devoted a minimum of two years working and organizing in our hotels. We have each spent significant time with staff discussing and in some cases developing strategy and tactics in our campaigns. Additionally, this past winter we were involved in a conflict with UNITE HERE leaders in the Bay Area over their unilateral decision to expel one of us from her hotel's organizing committee. This experience, as well as our time spent working on UNITE HERE Local 2 campaigns, informs our perspective.

In this letter we will try to put forward an independent and consistent analysis of unions that places emphasis on democracy and worker control. We will focus on the structure and culture of organizations, rather than the personalities of key leaders. We believe that this type of analysis can support all those struggling (whether as members or staff) to make their unions places that 1) teach and empower workers to fight collectively rather than simply mobilize them 2) support and encourage differences of opinion and dissent and 3) open up decision-making power to as wide a group as possible.

We recognize that the current struggle in organized labor exists within the larger context of an increasingly small and weakened labor movement. Partly this is due to factors beyond labor's immediate control, including decades of corporate and government attacks on unions and neo-liberal globalization. But our perspective is that we in the labor movement have to be self-reflective and take responsibility for our own actions. We know that writing this letter and raising questions about UNITE HERE in the midst of a war will lead many inside the union to claim that we are "aiding SEIU." Before the conflict with SEIU began, we were told that publicly raising questions about UNITE HERE would simply "aid the employers." Would we say that UNITE HERE is not entitled to fight SEIU because it "aids the employers"? As John Wilhelm, President of UNITE HERE, stated recently, "What's going on in the labor movement is a necessary reexamination of what the vision should be in this country for working people." One of the greatest gifts we believe we can give each other and our movements is to engage in honest debate and discussion about what needs to happen to strengthen those movements. We are not participating in raids on a sister union; we are simply raising ideas and questions. We want to help assure that UNITE HERE grows as a democratic, member controlled union and does not one day become the monster that SEIU is now.


Change to Win?

The problems with the SEIU model have become more and more apparent. Endless mergers and trusteeships have created an increasingly top-down corporate decision making structure within the union. This rush to centralize power has dovetailed nicely with the international union's approach to new organizing: on one hand cutting backroom deals with politicians and CEOs to gain the right to represent large groups of workers in exchange for weak contracts. And on the other, when they actually do engage in organizing, they embrace what we call a "mobilizing model" of organizing. In this model a small group of high level union staff make strategic decisions and rely on lower level union staff to ensure compliance with their program nationally. Meaningful leadership development and education have been discarded in exchange for control. Exchanging stewards for call centers is the new SEIU. Even worse, members or locals that disagree with or deviate from The Program can expect to be retaliated against and marginalized. This is by no means what takes place at every SEIU local, but the standard by which the International operates, and a model that has added a significant number of members to SEIU's ranks. When, in this model, do workers learn to lead their own fight? When is solidarity built amongst co-workers? Where is the experience of collective struggle that will be carried forward by the workers, both inside and outside the workplace?

As SEIU's self-destructive battles with UNITE HERE and NUHW heat up, public criticisms of SEIU like ours have become commonplace. However, there has been very little critical analysis of UNITE HERE, or acknowledgment that the two unions formed Change to Win together, as well as Service Workers United. Instead, throughout this fight, HERE leaders and many of their supporters have positioned themselves as champions of "bottom-up" union democracy fighting against a reckless company union, SEIU. Indeed at the recent UNITE HERE convention, various changes were made to the union's constitution that in theory will protect members' right to disagree with leadership without fear of retaliation, mandate that members of affected locals vote on proposed mergers, and give members the power to elect important decision-making bodies within the international union.

Further, there are many aspects of the HERE model prior to the convention that in our experience demonstrated a genuinely militant, strategic and democratic approach to organizing. They take on many real fights with employers, rather than negotiating back door agreements with them. Their campaigns are selected strategically to build density in areas where the union has leverage. Locals develop highly coordinated campaigns with other locals nationally. For example, housekeepers in Chicago went on strike to support sister members' fight to win a contract in San Francisco. They prioritize organizing working class women, people of color, and immigrant workers, and have stated their priority to have the leadership of the union reflect their diverse membership. Their stances on public policies that affect these groups are generally much more progressive than many other unions. Their organizing includes external pressure campaigns that utilize the participation of the local community. They also involve worker organizing committees in bargaining their contracts (This at least happens in our region, but possibly not in all locals.) Shop stewards often fight grievances through direct action on the shop floor instead of bureaucratic procedures that leave out members. In our experience in Local 2, union leaders are committed to the labor movement, working long days and battling with hotel employers regularly.

As a result of all these qualities, the Local 2 contract with the hotels is very strong, with language that includes benefits, on-the-job protections and progressive social policies (for example on immigration and affirmative action). In addition, Local 2 has committed significant resources to supporting NUHW's struggle against SEIU in California despite the fact that Local 2 is in the midst of city-wide hotel contract negotiations in San Francisco. These are positive aspects of the HERE culture that should be recognized, and are part of what could be a healthy, successful, and democratic union.

Dangers in UNITE HERE

That said, we believe that UNITE HERE has many of the same structural and cultural flaws that SEIU does. UNITE HERE leaders and others have stated repeatedly that the union runs "bottom-up" organizing campaigns led by strong worker organizing committees. This sounds good but we have not seen this in practice. We have observed that 1) workers on organizing committees have been treated as objects of the campaign rather than active participants, 2) campaign strategy and tactics have been predetermined by high-level leadership and dictated to workers, 3) union members are treated similarly to unorganized workers, expected to follow a predetermined program without any genuine space to discuss and debate union decisions, 4) non-union workers on campaigns as well as members are faced with isolation and marginalization if they openly disagree or organize against the leadership's plans, and 5) there are deep problems with the internal culture of the union, including treatment of union staff.

In this section we will focus on our direct experience in UNITE HERE organizing campaigns. However, we believe the issues we describe here about control of organizing campaigns exist in unions across the country and are therefore relevant to folks in all areas of the movement. Perhaps this stems from the fact that when union leadership initiates a new organizing campaign they often take the view they are the ones taking a risk and expending "their" resources, risking "their" reputations. They then come to see the campaigns as "their" campaigns. We will try to explain what it means on the ground when a small group of union leaders run campaigns all across the country.

On our campaigns, the organizing committees have had no independent decision-making power or even space to discuss decisions. Instead they have been used to rubber stamp and legitimize decisions on campaign strategy that a small group of high level union staff have already made. Rather than being spaces for education and leadership development, committee meetings have consisted of union staff informing workers of the more or less pre-fabricated "plan to win."

This has played out in a number of ways on our campaigns. From the beginning union staff have planned, set the agenda for, and ran committee meetings with minimal worker input. Workers are told when to show up for the meetings and asked to sit while union staff present information about the campaign. There has been no effort to teach workers how to organize a meeting, how to make an agenda, or how to facilitate a meeting.

Similarly, planning for actions has been entirely staff driven. For example, union staff will decide, sometimes in conjunction with community and religious groups, that there will be a rally outside the hotel or a delegation to hotel management on a particular date. Rather than involve the committee in planning these actions, staff simply announce them in committee meetings and ask the workers to attend. Often, one or two workers are also asked to speak at the action in order to give a legitimate public face to the campaign. Many of these actions have been carried out with relatively little attendance from the workers. In some cases, no workers were involved. Outreach to workers has also been controlled by staff with minimal worker input. Staff created elaborate house visit plans to reach workers who were not yet involved in the campaign. Committee members, who have relationships with their co-workers and could have helped develop plans to reach them, were left out of the loop and were often unaware a co-worker had been contacted by the union. This limited the leadership development of the committee as well as the internal organization of the workers.

Frequently, even small tactical decisions were made before being brought to committee members. For example, union staff would often decide the content of flyers that were to be handed to workers inside the hotel, without first consulting with the committee. Then, they would print the flyers and simply ask the committee to hand them out. In many cases, union staff passed out flyers to workers outside the hotel even though the committee had never seen them. This was especially problematic because each flyer stated at the bottom that it was a message from the worker committee.

When committee members have asked questions or openly disagreed with staff on strategy or tactics, their concerns have been minimized and ignored. This arose most sharply around the decision to call for a consumer boycott of one of our hotels. Many committee members were opposed to the boycott, but when a few were brave enough to raise concerns, they were told that they were "just scared" or didn't understand the union's plan. In another case, one of us was expelled by union staff from the organizing committee after she shared sensitive information about the campaign with a labor journalist. Several months later, her co-workers on the committee presented union staff with a petition signed by a majority of committee members asking for her reinstatement to the committee. Rather than taking the petition seriously, union staff simply refused to consider their request. In some cases, committee members' differences of opinions have led them to be isolated from their campaigns. On some occasions when committee members have had serious disagreements with staff, they have intentionally not been informed of meetings, asked to speak at events, or called to be given campaign updates.

All of these practices have led to a disconnect between the workers and the campaigns. The organizing strategies and tactics are planned, coordinated, and carried out nationally by staff and union leaders. The workers inside the hotels are treated almost as an afterthought. Most of our co-workers were often entirely unaware of the union's activities on their behalf.

UNITE HERE has experience fighting large hotel corporations and has developed sophisticated campaign strategies capable of winning contracts. This is good. But to simply transfer what has worked before onto new campaigns is in direct contradiction with their stated goal of running "bottom-up" campaigns. The decision to call for a consumer boycott of a hotel, for example, should come after workers have studied the union's experience using the tactic and discussed other strategies for gaining union recognition from their employer. It should not simply be presented to the workers by union staff as the only possible way to win the campaign. If workers are not given a chance to discuss and make important (or even small) decisions about what is going to happen on a union campaign taking place in their workplace, exactly when will they begin to see the union as a democratic institution that they control and want to actively participate in? If workers can't even decide who will be on the organizing committee when will they gain the practical experience of making strategic campaign decisions that will allow them to be the future activists and leaders the union is supposed to be cultivating? Where is the "bottom-up" happening? Instead we see the UNITE HERE model as more "top-to-bottom," where the workers are activated and mobilized by the top. This is an improvement over making direct deals with employers at the expense of organizing, but it is not democratic unionism.

Working for large hotel corporations, our managers give us orders and control what we do at work all day. Unions in general, and organizing campaigns in particular, should be places where workers learn how to independently analyze problems, and generate and execute a plan of action. They should not be places that crush independent thinking. It is essential that union staff share their skills with the workers because they likely have union organizing experience that the workers don't yet have. But the workers are the ones taking the risks, and have their own knowledge and experience within their workplaces and other parts of their lives. They are intelligent adults. Their relationship with the union should be one of mutual education and empowerment, not just another relationship of control.

Unfortunately, this lack of input and participation is not limited to workers involved in organizing campaigns at non-union hotels. In Local 2 there have not been regular monthly membership meetings as required by the by-laws. This is the case, we were told by one of the lead staff in the local, because when they had these meetings in the past only a small number of members came and that they used the meetings as a forum to complain about unimportant things. Further, all committees, including the negotiations committee, are appointed by the President (with the exception of the Executive Board). All shop stewards are appointed by the President. And all "leadership" meetings are only attended by members appointed as leaders by the President. In 2004, HERE and UNITE members from all across the country were not given the chance to vote on the merger of the two unions into UNITE HERE.

The structure of the union is also deeply influenced by the top down organizing model we have been describing. If a small group of high level UNITE HERE leaders want to implement a tightly controlled organizing program all across the country, they need a large group of loyal staff to ensure that their plans are put into practice. This creates problems on two fronts. First, it allows the union to operate independently of its members and the workers it seeks to organize. Researchers, Boycott coordinators, community organizers and hotel organizers have kept our campaigns "alive" and on program externally while very little has been done to build workers collective power inside the hotels where we work. Second, this model creates a problematic internal culture among staff within the union. Strategy is developed at the top of the union hierarchy and then orders on how to implement the strategy are passed down to mid and then lower level staff. Obedience to orders, or in union parlance, "staying on program," is demanded of all staff outside of the leadership group. Many typical problems flow from this: relationships among staff at different levels of the hierarchy are based on control, staff at different levels of the union have a lot of paranoia and insecurity about their own personal power, and uncritically following instructions, regardless of their political or moral content, is rewarded economically through promotions in the union hierarchy.

But that is not the whole story. To consolidate staff and worker discipline a distinctly UNITE HERE practice known as "Pink Sheeting" has been developed in the union. This practice was criticized in a sensational public letter released by UNITE leadership earlier this year. This letter was meant to discredit HERE leaders and was not sincere. Nevertheless, pinksheeting is actually a serious problem in the union. It entails union staff gathering sensitive personal information about the lower level staff that they directly supervise, as well as unorganized workers and members, in order to discover their personal weaknesses. This information is then used at a later point to "push" them to follow the union's program if they are resistant. For example (and this is a scenario we have heard about from multiple organizers in different cities), a lead organizer will share personal struggles that they have experienced in their life with a new organizer. The lead will then ask the new organizer about hardships they have experienced. Thinking that their fellow staff is simply opening up to them, the new organizer often shares sensitive information of their own. The information that the new organizer shares is then remembered by the lead (and in many cases actually recorded on a form that was originally pink). Down the line, if the organizer is told to do something on a campaign that they feel uncomfortable doing, the lead will put this information to use. They will bring up the sensitive information to convince the new organizer that by following the lead's direction, they are confronting their fears and insecurities and becoming a stronger person, just like when they dealt with personal hardship in the past. While the details of how the practice is used vary, the constant is that emotionally vulnerable information is methodologically gathered on workers and staff. Later, if they express doubt about the union program, it is used to convince them to follow the union's plan.

This practice is a cynical and manipulative system of control. It creates a cult-like relationship of dependency between staff and their supervisors because staff who are successfully subjected to this come to see their supervisors as playing an important role in helping them develop emotionally. Pinksheeting is not the common practice of building relationships that is necessary to all good organizing. Instead, it is a tactic designed to keep those involved in the union's work from straying from the directives of the union leadership. It undermines and contradicts real union democracy because it subverts not only independent action, but independent thought. This practice has been more common in certain parts of the union than others, but it is clear that the national leadership knows about it. We know a number of staff who have quit in large part because this practice was used on them.

It is important to note here that this command and control style union culture is endemic to much of the movement. It seems to have evolved out of well-intentioned efforts to reform unions that were often corrupt, did not represent the interests of their members, and were unable to respond to the anti-worker employer/government offensive that began in the 1980's. Many of these reformers were able to rebuild their unions, fight racism and sexism in the movement, and initiate well-coordinated and effective organizing campaigns in unions that had not made significant efforts to organize new workers in years. This was often done by forming a new, well-organized leadership group that set a tightly controlled Union Program. Despite the important gains won, we can see, several decades later, that the trajectory of this approach is deeply troubling. In many unions, more and more power has become concentrated in a small leadership group. Not only does this lead to the cultural and structural problems we have been describing in UNITE HERE, but in the extreme case of SEIU leads to a total lack of accountability of the leadership of the international union. The damage that Andy Stern and his inner circle have done to workers in this country in the last year alone speaks for itself.

Based on our experiences in UNITE HERE, these are our critiques of the union. These are the practices that we believe must change in order for UNITE HERE to represent a real and meaningful alternative to SEIU. There are more than enough dedicated and creative members and staff in the union to grow it into a dynamic force in the labor movement. We sincerely hope that this happens.

One Standard for All Unions?

As the conflict in the movement rages on, we believe it is urgent that members, staff, unorganized workers and volunteers resist the pressure to publicly censor their experiences in their unions. We hope that folks can share both the positive and the negative, and what their vision for the labor movement is. Specifically, with union leaders all around the country suddenly talking union democracy, we hope folks on the ground can be specific about what this means to them. Here are some of the principles that we think can help create a more objective way to analyze democratic practices in our unions. We believe we should hold all sides in the current conflict to the same standards:

DEMOCRATIC NORMS

Specific practices that help ensure a union is run by the members:

* The right to vote on all mergers, affiliations, and splits - if a union is truly democratic, members will be able to decide for themselves if they want to join another union or split from one.

* Member meetings - Monthly or regular meetings on a hotel/workplace level as well as local level, where members are able to raise issues that they choose, discuss and debate them. Meetings where member participation is orchestrated, as we have observed in both UNITE and HERE, don't count.

* Election of stewards and other leaders - if all union leaders are hand-picked by a few elected officers, as they are in Local 2, union leadership can control and prevent dissent. Members should be able to elect council members, committee members, bargaining committees, and shop stewards.

* Respect for workers' opinions in new organizing campaigns - workers should be allowed to engage in open discussions and debates about strategy for their campaigns, should not be retaliated against for having a difference of opinion from the staff, and should have the right to approve important decisions about their campaigns during group meetings.

* A constitution that protects all these rights, and is followed.
ORGANIZING and MOBILIZING

* Workers should be organized, not simply mobilized. A paternalistic attitude towards workers has become fairly endemic in much of the labor movement, and serves to further disempower members in their own unions. Treating workers as adults who can make their own decisions but may need support, training, and encouragement means not calling them just to come to the next rally, but building long-term relationships based on mutual respect.

* Strategy and tactics should be for the purpose of building member self-determination, not just winning short-term gains controlled by staff.

SPACE FOR DIFFERENCES OF OPINION

* Members and unorganized workers who disagree with leadership positions should not be retaliated against.

* Membership meetings should have time for members to debate and discuss their positions on union issues.

* Staff should not be retaliated against for expressing differences of opinion with their management, and should not be psychologically manipulated into agreeing with union policy. Staff should also not be retaliated against for organizing with their co-workers to defend their rights as workers within the union.

POLITICAL EDUCATION AND SOCIAL JUSTICE

* Member political education - regular on-going classes open to all members where they can learn about their union, its history, how to participate in it, their rights as workers and how to defend them.

* Training for members and unorganized workers so they can take on more of the responsibilities of their contracts and campaigns. It should be the job of the organizer to "work themselves out of a job" so that the members can run their own unions. Too many unions are becoming more staff dependent instead of less.

* Raising the class consciousness of the union's membership should be a top priority. Linking struggles that working class people are involved in outside of the workplace, like gentrification and foreclosures, with the struggle against corporate power inside the workplace, might actually start to move unions into a genuine labor movement. If union members begin to see themselves as a social force capable of allying with other organized groups in their communities, they could not only win important political and economic gains but allow unorganized workers to gain trust in unions.

* Supporting workers in building strong relationships with the community for mutual benefit - community organizations, churches, etc. This is different from union staff and leaders enlisting clergy and community organizations to get on the union platform without any significant relationship built between the community and the workers.

TRANSPARENCY

* Transparency about political activities - UNITE HERE and SEIU are both putting significant resources into battling each other. Members have the right to know where and how their money and staff are being used in these fights.

* With rhetoric flying about democracy and member control, we must take this opportunity to push for tangible changes in the way our unions are run and our campaigns are conducted. This is the only way that UNITE HERE can emerge from its conflict with SEIU as a union that not only organizes workers on a large scale, but empowers them in the process.

In solidarity,

Sean Abbott-Klafter
Crystal Stermer
Lohl Berning
Tenaya Lafore


"What's going on in the labor movement is a necessary reexamination of what the vision should be in this country for working people... I compare it to the period after FDR was elected. During the New Deal, unions grew enormously, and the notion of what we now think of as the American middle class was invented. But it was preceded by exactly the same type of soul searching that is going on now. There were enormous disputes and fights and brawls within the labor movement about how to organize, and the relationship between local unions and then-nascent international unions."

- John Wilhelm, International President of UNITE HERE, Las Vegas Sun, May 31, 2009

"Many will argue that such public discord is ultimately harmful to the members SEIU represents and the workers they tirelessly and effectively organize. There is no denying that anti-union employers will use what is said by both parties in this debate against SEIU and probably other unions in the course of organizing campaigns. Like the questions of strikes, dues, and alleged union corruption, the question of union democracy will yet again surface as another issue with which the bosses will try to bludgeon us. At the same time, I believe that there must always be room within organized labor for legitimate and principled dissent, if our movement is to survive and ultimately grow."

- Mike Casey, UNITE HERE Local 2 President, Open Letter regarding SEIU/NUHW dispute, March 28, 2008

BitterLittleFlower
10-18-2009, 02:57 PM
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
Union, ex-workers to protest Latham Holiday Inn Express
The Business Review (Albany)

Employees who say they were fired from the Holiday Inn Express in Latham, N.Y. for trying to form a union are asking people to boycott all of the businesses owned by hotel owner Jim Morrell.

The fired workers, local elected officials and religious leaders plan to call for the formal boycott at 5 p.m. today outside the Latham Holiday Inn Express, 400 Old Loudon Road.

The former workers say they represented half of an organizing committee that approached Morrell on April 23 about forming a union with Workers United Local 471. They say they were fired 24 hours later. The information, which was contained in a press release, did not say how many workers were fired.

Morrell could not be reached for comment.

Morrell owns the 160-room Latham Holiday Inn, six local car dealerships and Latham-based Pamal Broadcasting Co. The broadcasting company owns and operates about two dozen radio stations in New York, Florida and Vermont.

Workers United Local 471 is part of the Rochester Regional Joint Board of Workers United, which represents hotel, food service, gaming, textile and laundry workers across upstate New York. Local 471 has 3,000 members, the bulk of whom are in the Capital Region. Workers United is an affiliate of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU).

Every Wednesday around midday they ask folks to come picket with them...they are really active in handing out fliers and speaking out...

curt_b
10-18-2009, 06:00 PM
Sorry, I give them a couple bucks a year (though that I can't afford it), because they don't accept ads or foundation grants. I only see the fund raising page once, and forgot that everybody else gets directed there.

Jacques_Barrett
10-19-2009, 05:15 PM
Thanks for posting that reminder. When it comes to advancing PRIVATE SECTOR organized labor I believe that is our only salvation. In the end only organized labor has the potential clout to oppose the rich and elite interests whether it be Hollywood, Wall Street or Business Roundtable. The elite will unilaterally run America until there is an opposing and powerful interest group.

On the other hand the reality is that public unions tend to serve politicians and themselves and while they screw the public. Government employees should feel the same pinch that private employees feel. They don't.

curt_b
10-19-2009, 06:34 PM
No, no workers should feel "the pinch". Government workers have a more advanced notion of solidarity than some private sector workers, mostly because their unions are better protected that those in the private sector.

How do they screw the public? I could guess it's going to be something about laziness, but I don't want to put words into your mouth.

Jacques_Barrett
10-19-2009, 06:54 PM
It's about public workers (they call themselves public servants) getting generous pensions and health benefits that often exceeds their wages and most importantly is far above the norm in the private sector and with minimal service time.

It's about politicians that see the public taxpayer as a bottomless pit that is intended to fund and serve their interests and those of public employees --- all while the public tries to hang on to what they have including their homes.

Public job compensation and benefits should be indexed totally to average or median private sector employment in the area. The more the private sector gets the more the public sector gets.

Ludicrous public pensions are bankrupting states and cities. The only more outrageous compensation schedules go to Wall Street, CEOs and entertainers.

We need an indexing plan that first looks at median income of private sector workers in a geographical area. When that climbs only then does compensation of elected officials and public employees.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106689576

http://www.pensiontsunami.com/

Dhalgren
10-20-2009, 07:19 AM
Workers have always been blamed for everything under the sun and if any group of workers get any kind of a good deal or force any kind of advantageous concessions, then they are vilified for somehow hurting other workers or the "public" - while their employers go merrily on their way to the bank and the villa and the statehouse.

Can't you post this crap somewhere else? Jesus fucking Christ...

Kid of the Black Hole
10-20-2009, 08:09 AM
?

Dhalgren
10-20-2009, 08:23 AM
Shit...

blindpig
10-20-2009, 08:26 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KxT3bZCpsqw/SmH11VhyBlI/AAAAAAAAH_8/hPrmY_Xq0pw/s400/guillotine.jpg

blindpig
10-20-2009, 08:26 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KxT3bZCpsqw/SmH11VhyBlI/AAAAAAAAH_8/hPrmY_Xq0pw/s400/guillotine.jpg

Dhalgren
10-20-2009, 08:28 AM
"Ooooooohhhh!"

:rofl:

Two Americas
10-20-2009, 10:36 AM
At one time all sorts of libertarian, nationalistic, New Age and anti-Semitic stuff dominated the board, all of which serves the purpose of destroying the Left, but it was well-disguised as "progressive" politics. I think that it was always right wing politics, but people had difficulty seeing that. This particular poster is speaking for the old PI membership, saying things that were seconded, applauded and ferociously defended, and we are now getting the opportunity to see how "progressive" politics are actually right wing politics.

By persevering in the discussion about class, we have forced the contradictions and lies that are the essence of progressive and liberal politics to the surface where they can be clearly seen. That is the power of talking about class - it forces people to come out into the open. That renders their ideas innocuous, and gives observers a chance to see what their politics are really about.

meganmonkey
10-20-2009, 11:03 AM
THAT's what's bankrupting cities and towns.

In my town, a big pharma company built a huge R & D facility (sorry, this may bore you JB, no rabbi's stealing kidneys here) - employed 2,000+ people, they built it here because they were given huge tax breaks and we have lotsa 'educated' people.

Then, just a few years later, they closed it down. Almost everyone lost their jobs aside from a few that transferred out of state.

Who the fuck is gonna buy this HUGE piece of property with research facilities? Now who the fuck is gonna eat at all the little lunch spots and go to the dry cleaners and pharmacies that blossomed in that part of town? Hmmm....uh.... no one.

So they're closing too, one by one...

And now that the price has been dropped on the R & D center, the university is gonna get it. So now, NO taxes will be paid for it. At all.

We gave this company tax breaks to bring jobs and commerce to the area, they made their profits and ran and left the town hanging. That's the story all over this great land of ours.

And you are gonna blame the public workers who have health care and pensions?

You want the corporate model to be the public one? How ass-backwards!! Why don't we just take it all the way down to the lowest common denominator?

Why don't we all get paid $7/hr part time with no benefits and no chance for retirement? Except the execs, of course, who will still get all the perks, take the money and run.

How low can you go?

curt_b
10-20-2009, 11:14 AM
JB, shouldn't be banned for posts like this. The Jewish stuff is pretty hard to take. Allowing hate speech to be posted, may be worse than not having the opportunity to refute it. In any case, the subject line:

"Geez - news another Jew wants to sell out the USA"

Needs to be disappeared

Two Americas
10-20-2009, 11:34 AM
However, I think that disguised right wing politics and racism are a greater threat than obnoxious overt expressions are. I trust (most) people to see right wing politics and racism for what they are and reject them, and I have confidence in our ability to dismantle them. Most of the problems we face are caused by right wing politics masquerading as something else. That "something else" is, by the way, what gives the right wing populism of talk radio relevance and meaning in the eyes of many working class people. "Progressive" and liberal people are promoting the ruling class and capitalism, and doing so in a dishonest and hypocritical way. That is the source of the animosity that the right wing radio people are tapping in to. They are ablr to successfully portray characters like Bush and Palin, for example, as everyday working class stiffs and Kerry and Gore and Obama as ruling class elites and no froiemnds to the working people. While they are wrong about Bush and Palin, of course, they are correct about Kerry and Gore and Obama.

Two Americas
10-20-2009, 11:42 AM
Notice that what is happening inside of the unions is exactly analogous to what happens in corporate culture - the formation of class structure, with all of the same hierarchy, attitudes, methods, and results. As chlamor posted once, tools are not neutral, and using the same tools as management brings the same results - oppression of the workers.

I have argued, unsuccessfully, that we have been doing the same thing when we are organizing and managing the Internet boards: unconsciously aping management and reaching for the same ideas about success that are found in the business world, with the hierarchy, attitudes, methods, and approaches of management. It is almost as though modern people can conceive of no other way for organizing, so internalized is the modern corporate organizational model.