ASSIGNMENT= watch Battle in Seattle (http://www.battleinseattlemovie.com/)

Preferably by stealing it - after all and especially on this topic (http://www.emule-project.net/home/perl/general.cgi?l=1&ga=1&rm=download), FUCK property -.

The lightbuld has gone off. Once n fer all. The contradictions make sense but will not go away. Indeed, they CANNOT. Not Until...

PLEASE download and watch this.

Then we discuss.

There Is No Progress Where There Is No Mass Theory.

I Finally GET IT.

Godzilla in a straight jacket is the most profound understatement EVER, Anax.

Thank the Bullshit Gawd I never watched this until now.

Peeps, watch.
Then we talk.

Load the app. Ask if you can't figger it out. Then grab the flick. Watch it, yo. Weez gotta talk.

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Rusto, my sitting endurance is not up to watchibg this right now, but tell me what it is you see. Connect the dots for me a little bit because it is really easy to lapse into hyperbole. In particular I don't see your point about "newly lost" and "dialectic"..

I think I see where you're headed, and I think you're on the right track, but lets flesh it out some so we can talk on more solid ground

FUCK property...


I want to talk about the landlord-tenant rental property thing at some point here.

Stuck with a really bad Internet connection (how can this all be so much worse from the telecoms then it was 10 years ago from a little rural local ISP?) When I can get to town I will watch.

I added it to my netflix list, it should be in the mail today. I have a hard time watching a whole movie on my computer. How sad that it's so easy for me to watch a flick but I can't make myself read a decent book. *shrug*

So Rusty...

I saw the movie. It was pretty good - reminiscent of several 1960s movies (Like 'Medium Cool'). All in all, it caught a good bit of the 'feel' of such things.

Tell me why it was an epiphany? What caught ya?

Hey all,

I'm replying, briefly, by PDA from the final throes of a trade show. Much travel the last couple of weeks and the next, so I've been remiss in continuing the conversation.

In short, I think what finally clicked wbhen watching the movie was the juxtaposition of the Ghandi do-gooder almost lefties and the anarchists who commenced Fuckin' Shit Up.

As a guy who would like nothing more than to commit some violence - I still have a measure of regret for having opted not to assault Wolfie when I had the chance - it was a big moment to see the impotence of the non-violent weenies versus the violent folly of the theory-free anarchists...

More later. Work to do -

Hey all,

I'm replying, briefly, by PDA from the final throes of a trade show. Much travel the last couple of weeks and the next, so I've been remiss in continuing the conversation.

In short, I think what finally clicked wbhen watching the movie was the juxtaposition of the Ghandi do-gooder almost lefties and the anarchists who commenced Fuckin' Shit Up.

As a guy who would like nothing more than to commit some violence - I still have a measure of regret for having opted not to assault Wolfie when I had the chance - it was a big moment to see the impotence of the non-violent weenies versus the violent folly of the theory-free anarchists...

More later. Work to do -


The anarcho guy was quite right in what he articulated. "If you bring your WTO to our town, we will break your shop windows and make funny faces at you." It ain't much, but it's somethin' - and the guy had a plan at least as good as the weenies.

Under other conditions, though, the anarcho guy would have been a blind tool of the ruling class - an agent provocateur. How can we tell the difference. Well, if it had been a worker's march and he was disrupting the PLAN, we would have kicked his ass twelve ways to Sunday. The weenies couldn't enforce their plan? Tough shit to them then... it ceases to be their demo at that moment.

On the other hand, it is possible - though quite rare - to have a reactionary march using the generational discipline of the proletariat for "evil purposes": a "Silent Majority" demonstration of construction trades in support of the Vietnam War for example.

In that case, we become like Gandhi, counseling nonviolence and class brotherhood... until we have enough strength to laugh at the class traitors and undo their reactionary shit.

Yep, there are many life lessons in demonstrations, worthy of the best activist Dear Abby.

It's complicated and there is a time for EVERYTHING... except you engagin' in some "violence" because you feel like it. That is a NO-NO.

Go rob a 7-11 or kick a dog, instead.

As a guy who would like nothing more than to commit some violence - I still have a measure of regret for having opted not to assault Wolfie when I had the chance - it was a big moment to see the impotence of the non-violent weenies versus the violent folly of the theory-free anarchists...

well this thread took a different turn than i was anticipating..

So many tools, so little time...

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I lived through it.

It was ugly.

Most of the people involved in the WTO protest marches were very cool, but then the goddamned self-proclaimed anarchists had to come in and start busting windows, turning over trash cans and newspaper stands, and putting the ugly all over it.

And the cops sure as hell didn't help, since they kicked into high riot mode.

I totally backed the protest marchers, but I wanted to gobsmack the anarchists (many of whom, if I recall, had no idea what the WTO was or why people were protesting it). I wasn't too fond of the cops either.

I felt I lost my city to insanity for a couple of days.

"I felt I lost my city..."
Musta been a shortage of maps.

Yep, there are many life lessons in demonstrations, worthy of the best activist Dear Abby.

It's complicated and there is a time for EVERYTHING... except you engagin' in some "violence" because you feel like it. That is a NO-NO.

Go rob a 7-11 or kick a dog, instead.



Kickin' a dog is far harder to consider that shooting a rich toad. No worries though, both tendencies are well in check. I just pine for a set of conditions where I could set the more important of the two loose.

Anyways, it is at last the end of the busiest month of my working year, albeit barely. Arduous travel all day tomorrow, headed west by means of the eastern seaboard and all that efficient capitalist jazz...

Having taken to pirating video content again, I was just settling in to The Yes Men, an outfit I've heard of but a documentary I'd not yet grabbed until recently. They bring Chlamor to mind, the sort of from-out-nowhere and damning in-your-face absurdity that sets things right, the very essence of the Chlamor we love to love so much. Tha ClaMORE that the fucked up world needs.

I couldn't find the clip on identity I was hoping to find online, but it was especially interesting to hear the guy describe their quest seize upon to point out contradictions (although he didn't use exactly the term, he relayed exactly the sentiment) in their exercises in "culture jamming." The stealing of criminals identity in order to push them to do right or at least be perceived correctly, a sort of mirror-image identity-theft. The swapping of voiceboxes from GI Joe and Barbie dolls and the replacement of them on retail shelves.

Here, real world action taken in non peace-weenie nor theoretically-oriented ways occurs. Minds are thumped out the status-quo slumber. Interesting stuff.

One of these days, I'll get the Pisarev essay on Voltaire done; it's north of 1/2 way even if I am a bona fide fuck-oaf. I cannot apologize for taking a year to do that and capital; it would imply I have an excuse. Really, there is none; it's important stuff.

These guys, taking the criticism meme I think is so critical to understanding Voltaire and so well explicated by Pisarev seems here in this modern effort to move just an inch closer. It's this sorta thing - the mixing of some of the outlandish (*even code-pinkish) with this pointin'-out-contradictions thing that seems ever so little bit closer to pushing things along.

Ya need some bandwidth to grab this from across the pond, but there is other and easier to be had on googling. This is just a good introductory clip from early in the documentary.
http://www.allocine.fr/video/player_gen_cmedia=18378597.html

Cue Mike to say something about the Code Pinkies. I submit there is a meaningful difference brought about by this accident of alignment to theory.

And to pique his interest in a low bandwidth way:



Overview

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Philadelphia - At a Wharton Business School conference on business in Africa, World Trade Organization representative Hanniford Schmidt announced the creation of a WTO initiative for "full private stewardry of labor" for the parts of Africa that have been hardest hit by the 500 years of Africa's free trade with the West.

The initiative will require Western companies doing business in some parts of Africa to own their workers outright. Schmidt recounted how private stewardship has been successfully applied to transport, power, water, traditional knowledge, and even the human genome. The WTO's "full private stewardry" program will extend these successes to (re)privatize humans themselves.

"Full, untrammelled stewardry is the best available solution to African poverty, and the inevitable result of free-market theory," Schmidt told more than 150 attendees. Schmidt acknowledged that the stewardry program was similar in many ways to slavery, but explained that just as "compassionate conservatism" has polished the rough edges on labor relations in industrialized countries, full stewardry, or "compassionate slavery," could be a similar boon to developing ones.

The audience included Prof. Charles Soludo (Governor of the Central Bank of Nigeria), Dr. Laurie Ann Agama (Director for African Affairs at the Office of the US Trade Representative), and other notables. Agama prefaced her remarks by thanking Scmidt for his macroscopic perspective, saying that the USTR view adds details to the WTO's general approach. Nigerian Central Bank Governor Soludo also acknowledged the WTO proposal, though he did not seem to appreciate it as much as did Agama.

A system in which corporations own workers is the only free-market solution to African poverty, Schmidt said. "Today, in African factories, the only concern a company has for the worker is for his or her productive hours, and within his or her productive years," he said. "As soon as AIDS or pregnancy hits—out the door. Get sick, get fired. If you extend the employer's obligation to a 24/7, lifelong concern, you have an entirely different situation: get sick, get care. With each life valuable from start to finish, the AIDS scourge will be quickly contained via accords with drug manufacturers as a profitable investment in human stewardees. And educating a child for later might make more sense than working it to the bone right now."

To prove that human stewardry can work, Schmidt cited a proposal by a free-market think tank to save whales by selling them. "Those who don't like whaling can purchase rights to specific whales or groups of whales in order to stop those particular whales from getting whaled as much," he explained. Similarly, the market in Third-World humans will "empower" caring First Worlders to help them, Schmidt said.

One conference attendee asked what incentive employers had to remain as stewards once their employees are too old to work or reproduce. Schmidt responded that a large new biotech market would answer that worry. He then reminded the audience that this was the only possible solution under free-market theory.

There were no other questions from the audience that took issue with Schmidt's proposal.
http://theyesmen.org/hijinks/wharton

Herr Pinko, that was too real to be funny.
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Agama

Having taken to pirating video content again, I was just settling in to The Yes Men, an outfit I've heard of but a documentary I'd not yet grabbed until recently. They bring Chlamor to mind, the sort of from-out-nowhere and damning in-your-face absurdity that sets things right, the very essence of the Chlamor we love to love so much. Tha ClaMORE that the fucked up world needs.

I couldn't find the clip on identity I was hoping to find online, but it was especially interesting to hear the guy describe their quest seize upon to point out contradictions (although he didn't use exactly the term, he relayed exactly the sentiment) in their exercises in "culture jamming." The stealing of criminals identity in order to push them to do right or at least be perceived correctly, a sort of mirror-image identity-theft. The swapping of voiceboxes from GI Joe and Barbie dolls and the replacement of them on retail shelves.




"If you play by the rules of those in charge, then you will always lose." --Derrick Jensen