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Dhalgren
11-25-2016, 11:41 AM
Excerpts from Sam Webb's 2011 essay.

http://politicalaffairs.net/a-party-of-socialism-in-the-21st-century-what-it-looks-like-what-it-says-and-what-it-does/


If I were asked to sum up what conclusions I reached it would be this: our theoretical structure – Marxism-Leninism – was too rigid and formulaic, our analysis too loaded with questionable assumptions, our methodology too undialectical, our structure too centralized, and our politics drifting from political realities.


A party of socialism in the 21st century embraces Marxism, understood as a broad theoretical tradition that reaches beyond the communist movement


As for “Marxism-Leninism,” the term should be retired in favor of simply “Marxism.” For one thing, it has a negative connotation among ordinary Americans, even in left and progressive circles. Depending on whom you ask, it either sounds foreign or dogmatic or undemocratic or all of these together.


For another thing, Marxism-Leninism isn’t identical to classical Marxism. The ideas of Marx, Engels, Lenin, and other earlier Marxists retain incredible analytical power, if studied and creatively applied to current realities.

But the same cannot be said about Marxism-Leninism. It took formal shape during the Stalin period during which Soviet scholars, under Stalin’s guidance, systematized and simplified earlier Marxist writings – not to mention adapted ideology to the needs of the Soviet state and party.

This simplification of Marxism, coupled with the enshrinement of a single party to the status of “official interpreter” of Marxism, came with a price tag. Theoretically and practically, it hemmed in and negatively impacted our party’s work.


Marxism never confuses slogans and militancy for analysis. It employs principles, generalities and abstractions, but it also insists on a concrete presentation of every question. And it is understandably wary of the inevitable (socialism), the uninterrupted (constant radicalization of the working class and intensification of crises), and the irreversible (the world revolutionary process).


A party of socialism understands that in any broad coalition of social change, competing views are inevitable. The role of the left is to express its views candidly, but in a way that strengthens rather than fractures broad unity, which is a prerequisite for social progress.


The main social forces in this coalition, as we see it, are the working class, people of color, women, youth and seniors. And the overarching challenge is to transform these social forces into social movements, distinguished by their differing degrees of unity, organizational capacity, mobilization, alliance relationships, and not least, depth and consistency of political outlook.


A party of socialism in the 21st century takes as its point of departure the issues that masses (relative term) are ready to fight for.


A party of socialism in the 21st century steers clear of false oppositions between partial and more advanced demands, between gradual and radical change, between electoral forms of action and direct action, between mass action and nonviolent civil disobedience, between patriotism and anti-imperialism, between struggle against the state and struggle within the state, between anti-capitalism and sensitivity to rifts in the capitalist class, and between general (say jobs) and particular demands (say affirmative action).


A party of socialism in the 21st century doesn’t turn – liberals, advocates of identity politics, single issue movements, centrist and progressive leaders of major social organizations, social democrats, community based non-profits, NGOs, unreliable allies, and the “people” (according to some, a classless category concealing class, racial, and gender oppression) – into enemies.


A party of socialism in the 21st century attaches overriding importance to democratic (reform) struggles (right to a job, health care, housing, equality, education, clean air, immigrants rights, peace, vote, speech, etc.) They are a core element in the struggle for class advance, social progress and socialism.


A party of socialism in the 21st century believes that majoritarian political movements are the midwives of reforms, radical and otherwise, and eco-socialist transformations.


a party of socialism should make an unequivocal break with Stalin and his associates, not to please the enemies or critics of socialism, but to acknowledge to millions that the forced and violent collectivization of agriculture, the purges and executions of hundreds of thousands of communists and other patriots, the labor camps that incarcerated, exploited and sent untold numbers of Soviet people to early deaths, and the removal of whole peoples from their homelands can’t be justified on the grounds of historical necessity or in the name of defending socialism. They were crimes against humanity.

To describe these atrocities as a mistake is a mistake – criminal: yes, a horror: yes, a terrible stain on the values and ideals of socialism: definitely.

To make matters worse, the practices of the Stalin regime set in place theoretical notions, structures and relations of governance, laws of socialist economy, justifications for concentrated power, and a great-leader syndrome that in the end weakened socialism in the USSR and other socialist countries.


I knew this stuff sounded familiar. Now I remember why...

blindpig
11-25-2016, 11:52 AM
Excerpts from Sam Webb's 2011 essay.

http://politicalaffairs.net/a-party-of-socialism-in-the-21st-century-what-it-looks-like-what-it-says-and-what-it-does/




























I knew this stuff sounded familiar. Now I remember why...

Bam! Well fucking done. That so close to the argument SP is making that it mighta been cribbed. Opportunism segueing into liquidationism, but as always, 'realistic'.

Dhalgren
11-25-2016, 12:07 PM
Bam! Well fucking done. That so close to the argument SP is making that it mighta been cribbed. Opportunism segueing into liquidationism, but as always, 'realistic'.

C'mon! We have to be practical!

solidgold
11-25-2016, 12:38 PM
As for “Marxism-Leninism,” the term should be retired in favor of simply “Marxism.” For one thing, it has a negative connotation among ordinary Americans, even in left and progressive circles. Depending on whom you ask, it either sounds foreign or dogmatic or undemocratic or all of these together.


"II. It is high time that Communists should openly, in the face of the whole world, publish their views, their aims, their tendencies, and meet this nursery tale of the Spectre of Communism with a manifesto of the party itself."

Not even Old Man Sanders would believe that he couldn't use the term "socialist" because it resembles the Nazi party. I'll tell ya the hard ass workers in the proverbial "trenches" won't buy such a castrated methodology.


It took formal shape during the Stalin period during which Soviet scholars, under Stalin’s guidance, systematized and simplified earlier Marxist writings – not to mention adapted ideology to the needs of the Soviet state and party.

Then...


Marxism never confuses slogans...for analysis.

Granted, his comments aren't a proper slogan; however, it screams "Stalin: DICTATOR, MURDERER." Where's his analysis?


A party of socialism in the 21st century doesn’t turn – liberals, advocates of identity politics, single issue movements, centrist and progressive leaders of major social organizations, social democrats, community based non-profits, NGOs, unreliable allies, and the “people” (according to some, a classless category concealing class, racial, and gender oppression) – into enemies.

The individual's intentions may eventually be aligned with Marxism, sure, but these ideologies as a whole are in perfect opposition. No need to humor inconsistencies. He does have a point though: I would much rather trust my liberal, teacher-union mother than this "leftist" hack.

I see nothing "Marxist" here.

SteelPirate
11-25-2016, 05:05 PM
Excerpts from Sam Webb's 2011 essay.

http://politicalaffairs.net/a-party-of-socialism-in-the-21st-century-what-it-looks-like-what-it-says-and-what-it-does/




























I knew this stuff sounded familiar. Now I remember why...


https://disqus.com/by/steelpirate/

Less than 1500 posts. With a fast connection and 15 minutes you will understand that you are creating caricatures that only exist in your mind. I invite to find anything resembling the majority of Webb's overall outlook in my "resume." In fact... you will find the exact opposite of what you believe I'm getting at. That said...the political realities on the ground are just that. Reality. Best you face it... sooner rather than later... so as not to close yourself off and become disconnected from the struggle any further than you already are.

Dhalgren
11-25-2016, 05:07 PM
https://disqus.com/by/steelpirate/

Less than 1500 posts. With a fast connection and 15 minutes you will understand that you are creating caricatures that only exist in your mind. I invite to find anything resembling the majority of Webb's overall outlook in my "resume." In fact... you will find the exact opposite of what you believe I'm getting at. That said...the political realities on the ground are just that. Reality. Best you face it... sooner rather than later... so as not to close yourself off and become disconnected from the struggle any further than you already are.

I am not "closed-off" from the struggle. I simply do not believe you.

SteelPirate
11-25-2016, 05:21 PM
I am not "closed-off" from the struggle. I simply do not believe you.

Read the link I gave you. And you could not possibly close yourself off any further which is why the entirety of your imagined vanguard now consists of three people. Immersing yourself in theory without praxis... while rejecting every struggle of sections of the working class is not the work of communists... it is the work of reactionary gatekeepers of the status quo and business as usual.

Dhalgren
11-25-2016, 06:11 PM
Read the link I gave you. And you could not possibly close yourself off any further which is why the entirety of your imagined vanguard now consists of three people. Immersing yourself in theory without praxis... while rejecting every struggle of sections of the working class is not the work of communists... it is the work of reactionary gatekeepers of the status quo and business as usual.

Yeah, no thanks.

Kid of the Black Hole
11-25-2016, 06:19 PM
Not even Old Man Sanders would believe that he couldn't use the term "socialist" because it resembles the Nazi party. I'll tell ya the hard ass workers in the proverbial "trenches" won't buy such a castrated methodology.

He probably doesn't socialize too much..lest people suspect he might be a National Socialist.

SteelPirate
11-25-2016, 06:42 PM
Yeah, no thanks.

Best you stick with James Lovelock and his doom porn theories. I'm sure you can somehow reconcile that with the organization of workers on the basis of the "materialist perspective." IMFAO F##king poser.

Dhalgren
11-25-2016, 06:47 PM
Best you stick with James Lovelock and his doom porn theories. I'm sure you can somehow reconcile that with the organization of workers on the basis of the "materialist perspective." IMFAO F##king poser.

Yeah, you stick with Sam Webb. Ha...

SteelPirate
11-25-2016, 06:57 PM
Yeah, you stick with Sam Webb. Ha...

It's not a question of sticking with Webb. It's a question of if there is any kernel of truth in what Webb is saying and there is. Of course he's full of shit on everything but the main point... and that is on the political realities on the ground. The future is not in the past. You're humping a nostalgia for the Soviet Union as reactionary as "Make America Great Again."

Dhalgren
11-25-2016, 08:18 PM
It's not a question of sticking with Webb. It's a question of if there is any kernel of truth in what Webb is saying and there is. Of course he's full of shit on everything but the main point... and that is on the political realities on the ground. The future is not in the past. You're humping a nostalgia for the Soviet Union as reactionary as "Make America Great Again."

Yeah...you don't know what you're talking about. "Kernel of truth"? Tailism and liquidation contain "kernels of truth"? No. You are asking for an emasculation of materialism; an emasculation of Marxist theory. Thanks, but, no. I will not say that you cannot petal this crap here, because I am not an admin. I will just say that this is the last response you get from me. period.

Kid of the Black Hole
11-25-2016, 09:17 PM
Yeah...you don't know what you're talking about. "Kernel of truth"? Tailism and liquidation contain "kernels of truth"? No. You are asking for an emasculation of materialism; an emasculation of Marxist theory. Thanks, but, no. I will not say that you cannot petal this crap here, because I am not an admin. I will just say that this is the last response you get from me. period.

I think that solidgold is right that acrimony can engender misunderstanding and that for us there are many large fish to fry. But that is not the (whole) story here because there is no way of getting around this:


. You are asking for an emasculation of materialism; an emasculation of Marxist theory.

something that is not to be taken lightly

Dhalgren
11-25-2016, 09:32 PM
I think that solidgold is right that acrimony can engender misunderstanding and that for us there are many large fish to fry. But that is not the (whole) story here because there is no way of getting around this:



something that is not to be taken lightly[/COLOR]

True. I just am not the most candy and cream of the bunch. Don't see that changing.

solidgold
11-25-2016, 10:43 PM
I think that solidgold is right that acrimony can engender misunderstanding and that for us there are many large fish to fry. But that is not the (whole) story here because there is no way of getting around this:

something that is not to be taken lightly[/COLOR]

Are you positing that we rule with iron balls? : ) First order of business is to tax everyone per instance of "I" and "me" used in the last few days.

SteelPirate
11-26-2016, 01:28 AM
Yeah...you don't know what you're talking about. "Kernel of truth"? Tailism and liquidation contain "kernels of truth"? No. You are asking for an emasculation of materialism; an emasculation of Marxist theory. Thanks, but, no. I will not say that you cannot petal this crap here, because I am not an admin. I will just say that this is the last response you get from me. period.

Of course it's your last response because you are unable to reconcile your strident acceptance of all things Lenin/Stalin/Soviet Union as unassailable and the final truth on Marxism which is so laughable to as not even being worthy of response. You will get one anyway because you are full of shit. Lenin's interpretation of Marxist theory being a twisted caricature of Marxism is certainly up for debate in many leftist circles of the anti-capitalist left including other Marxist factions. So for you to claim I'm full of shit and don't know what I'm talking about rests solely in the eyes of the beholder. You see...I'm not really questioning your dedication to the working class cause but you've been questioning mine since I arrived here. I'm not questioning which side you're on. I know what side you're on despite the disagreements on how to get there. The difference here is you are questioning what side I'm on because I don't agree with the Leninist vanguard approach that claims the workers can never advance beyond a low level of class consciousness that results in social revolution...without the "loving embrace" of a Leninist type vanguard... that firmly accepts one person dictatorial rule if it's "a convenient path" to "advance socialism" with "the interests of the workers at heart."

Despite the disagreements in tactics... I've defended the Marxist/Leninist faction in the ranks and the Soviet Union from every kind of capitalist reaction and propaganda and anyone who knows my history would tell you that. Have never called for purging them from any movement of the left. The opposite is true of yourself. You want to purge all elements of the rest of the anti-capitalist left as heretics and enemies of your one true doctrine of advancing working class power to get to socialism and beyond. Your narrow thinking can only result in abject failure... especially with the need now - more than ever - for solidarity in the ranks of the anti-capitalist left. It's certainly up for debate in Marxist circles whether the methods of Lenin and the Bolsheviks truly represented the path that Marx and Engels envisioned and arrived at in their writings on materialism and scientific socialism. The conditions of the working class in Russia - at which time the revolution was undertaken - are nothing of what Marx had in mind as optimal or conducive to success and that is not in dispute. If you say they were... you're as full of shit as you claim I am. It is entirely possible that both Marx and Engels would have rejected in entirety the undertaking under such undeveloped capitalist conditions and would have predicted the end result of regression back into the clutches of capitalism as inevitable.

blindpig
11-26-2016, 08:11 AM
Of course it's your last response because you are unable to reconcile your strident acceptance of all things Lenin/Stalin/Soviet Union as unassailable and the final truth on Marxism which is so laughable to as not even being worthy of response. You will get one anyway because you are full of shit. Lenin's interpretation of Marxist theory being a twisted caricature of Marxism is certainly up for debate in many leftist circles of the anti-capitalist left including other Marxist factions. So for you to claim I'm full of shit and don't know what I'm talking about rests solely in the eyes of the beholder. You see...I'm not really questioning your dedication to the working class cause but you've been questioning mine since I arrived here. I'm not questioning which side you're on. I know what side you're on despite the disagreements on how to get there. The difference here is you are questioning what side I'm on because I don't agree with the Leninist vanguard approach that claims the workers can never advance beyond a low level of class consciousness that results in social revolution...without the "loving embrace" of a Leninist type vanguard... that firmly accepts one person dictatorial rule if it's "a convenient path" to "advance socialism" with "the interests of the workers at heart."

Despite the disagreements in tactics... I've defended the Marxist/Leninist faction in the ranks and the Soviet Union from every kind of capitalist reaction and propaganda and anyone who knows my history would tell you that. Have never called for purging them from any movement of the left. The opposite is true of yourself. You want to purge all elements of the rest of the anti-capitalist left as heretics and enemies of your one true doctrine of advancing working class power to get to socialism and beyond. Your narrow thinking can only result in abject failure... especially with the need now - more than ever - for solidarity in the ranks of the anti-capitalist left. It's certainly up for debate in Marxist circles whether the methods of Lenin and the Bolsheviks truly represented the path that Marx and Engels envisioned and arrived at in their writings on materialism and scientific socialism. The conditions of the working class in Russia - at which time the revolution was undertaken - are nothing of what Marx had in mind as optimal or conducive to success and that is not in dispute. If you say they were... you're as full of shit as you claim I am. It is entirely possible that both Marx and Engels would have rejected in entirety the undertaking under such undeveloped capitalist conditions and would have predicted the end result of regression back into the clutches of capitalism as inevitable.

So I guess Lenin was stupid or something because he threw the dice when he seized the chance to change history? And it didn't entirely work out, largely due to the treachery of German Social Democrats, but nonetheless something resulted which vastly improved the lives of millions, which defeated the Nazis, which fostered national liberation globally. Indeed, these were not the circumstances favored by M&E, but they would not sneer at the results like an idealists.

Kid of the Black Hole
11-26-2016, 08:27 AM
Are you positing that we rule with iron balls? : ) First order of business is to tax everyone per instance of "I" and "me" used in the last few days.

Yeah, yeah, tempest in a teapot. Still, bemusement isn't quite the right reaction, either..