There are candidates looking for money. Do we send money to those whose politics are closest to what we want, as an exercise in behavior-shaping or message-sending? Or do we refuse, either because we're opposed on principle or because we haven't enough money to really get their attention, making donation essentially futile?

There are candidates looking for money. Do we send money to those whose politics are closest to what we want, as an exercise in behavior-shaping or message-sending? Or do we refuse, either because we're opposed on principle or because we haven't enough money to really get their attention, making donation essentially futile?

Isn't that an individual's prerogative?

I fer one do not see popI in the candidate supporting business. I personally may be however. Probably will be, even. I intend to work with various grass roots groups in my area. I already occassionally work with local greens and am trying to get involved with some union folks and probably some peaceniks and church folks too before it is all over.

All of these people and institutions are fertile ground for discussing what comes out of this place's dicscourse and content. All of these people and institutions are useful as sources of indirect - and maybe even direct - input back to this place as it seeks to take all issue and activism and find them a place under the Root Cause that is popI, the restoration of labor supremecy, of non-commodified labor, of fair and sustainable economy for all.

That's my hope anywayz :)

There are candidates looking for money. Do we send money to those whose politics are closest to what we want, as an exercise in behavior-shaping or message-sending? Or do we refuse, either because we're opposed on principle or because we haven't enough money to really get their attention, making donation essentially futile?

Isn't that an individual's prerogative?

I fer one do not see popI in the candidate supporting business.
oops, sorry, I meant "we as individuals". I was trying to get at the degree of anomie among our group.

There are candidates looking for money. Do we send money to those whose politics are closest to what we want, as an exercise in behavior-shaping or message-sending? Or do we refuse, either because we're opposed on principle or because we haven't enough money to really get their attention, making donation essentially futile?
Not sure if contributing money to candidates and anomie are the two choices.

It would take a lot more money than we will ever have to influence a politician. We should not have to buy influence anyway, and we shouldn't kid ourselves that the pittance we have could buy any influence.

I don't know why people don't just speak directly to the politicians and directly to the people. That is what we do. It is more effective than buying influence, anyway.

There are candidates looking for money. Do we send money to those whose politics are closest to what we want, as an exercise in behavior-shaping or message-sending? Or do we refuse, either because we're opposed on principle or because we haven't enough money to really get their attention, making donation essentially futile?

Isn't that an individual's prerogative?

I fer one do not see popI in the candidate supporting business. I personally may be however. Probably will be, even. I intend to work with various grass roots groups in my area. I already occassionally work with local greens and am trying to get involved with some union folks and probably some peaceniks and church folks too before it is all over.

All of these people and institutions are fertile ground for discussing what comes out of this place's dicscourse and content. All of these people and institutions are useful as sources of indirect - and maybe even direct - input back to this place as it seeks to take all issue and activism and find them a place under the Root Cause that is popI, the restoration of labor supremecy, of non-commodified labor, of fair and sustainable economy for all.

That's my hope anywayz :)

What you should've told her is instead we need to stop donating pour enourager to the things we are opposed to. That would be corporations and their tech gadgets ([sneer]iPhone /sneer), shiny new cars (hybrids), fast food (Arbys would still be good as a stool softener though), gauche trinkets (yeah, I might as well become a monk with that one), premium television, designer fashion, self-help diet books blah blah

That will have way more effect, the other is a waste of cash.

and apply them towards leaflets or whatever means of mass communication we decide upon. That will be the message that we send them.