Ah, there's wailing and gnashing of teeth today. A little disappointing that his baby steps towards class rhetoric are ended so soon, but what cha expect? He said he did it to ensure a Dem victory, yet he polled the only one to beat McCain in November, hah!

Not at all surprising, his supporters at DU are jumping on the bandwagons of those who were completely unacceptable yesterday, looks like a pretty even split, with about 10% bailing(they say). That's what I call conditioning.

Here's a few specimens for your perusal:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... id=4287175 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4287175&mesg_id=4287175)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... id=4274313 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4274313&mesg_id=4274313)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... id=4292519 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4292519&mesg_id=4292519)

Until the last week, I wouldn't have thought so but McCain is almost certainly going to win. Its a combination of wobbly Dems and Independents who have a softspot for the bastard combined with the fact that alot of Dems are the ABB variety who hate the Clintons.

Hard to believe, considering it almost seems smarter to sit this one out. Economy in the shitter, Iraq, political tensions on just about every side..

EDIT: I suppose Hilary could win the power struggle behind the scenes considering that McCain is aligned as a near carbon-copy of Bush and there is a lot of elite unhappiness with Bush. They tell the guy to gut the power of the Middle East producers and what happens? Iran becomes a nexus in region and rises greatly in global prominence and importance (in tandem with Russia). Hahahahahahahaha, heckuva job Bushie.

The inability to get excited about any of the candidates.

People of Faith can vote for Nun of the above.

http://www.worth1000.com/entries/107000/107264LqSP_w.jpg

http://mccoy.lib.siu.edu/illinois/images/nunofabove.gif

Nevertheless, sometimes even politically impotent proletarians -- given the proper stimulation -- can rise up.

And -- in perhaps the one genuinely optimistic thought I've had in 25 years -- it strikes me that with the total, absolute absurdity of the 2008 campaign now exposed and undeniable, this ultimate reductio ad absurdum of the two-party system, this travesty-election of a choice between two candidates who differ only in the degree to which they publicly acknowledge their tyrannical intent -- this may be the one time too many the Ruling Class has pissed in our faces.

Either that or the public's passive acceptance of the implicit Big Lie will prove the United States truly is subjugated forever -- that the citizenry has already been reduced to such a state of zomboid servitude and slavish degredation it can never again be awakened -- in which case those of us who had hoped otherwise better begin finding new nations to call home lest our final address be Guantanamo or worse.

Huge election, both parties decomposing, every process is changed and different, America is a different place, 32312 candidates, and....

bing-bong-bing-bing... like a pachenko machine, all the balls clank down... and at the bottom pop out two balls: McCain and Clinton...

Just like they said it would end-up four years ago, without regard to circumstances...

With the only "long-shot" being Obama. They said that four years ago as well.

And all of it happens, and is over, before the New Hampshire primaries were supposed to be scheduled in the first place... with all the things that have happened in the preceeding four years counting for nada...

Is this possible? Nah...

Is obvious: ...intellegent design.

http://home.planet.nl/~gkorthof/images/GOD.jpg

I hear dem blues gettin' louder and louder...

http://www.pipes.org/mediagallery/mediaobjects/disp/3/3_albert_king_1.jpg

Nevertheless, sometimes even politically impotent proletarians -- given the proper stimulation -- can rise up.

And -- in perhaps the one genuinely optimistic thought I've had in 25 years -- it strikes me that with the total, absolute absurdity of the 2008 campaign now exposed and undeniable, this ultimate reductio ad absurdum of the two-party system, this travesty-election of a choice between two candidates who differ only in the degree to which they publicly acknowledge their tyrannical intent -- this may be the one time too many the Ruling Class has pissed in our faces.

Either that or the public's passive acceptance of the implicit Big Lie will prove the United States truly is subjugated forever -- that the citizenry has already been reduced to such a state of zomboid servitude and slavish degredation it can never again be awakened -- in which case those of us who had hoped otherwise better begin finding new nations to call home lest our final address be Guantanamo or worse.

Funny you should mention emigration, Wolf. Was looking at Joe Bageant the other day and I see this:

http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2008/01/u ... cians.html (http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2008/01/us-politicians.html)

So that gets me a little curious and I pop over to PI, which I don't even bother with since Chalmor's departure and there's this:

http://www.progressiveindependent.com/d ... g_id=80970 (http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=80970&mesg_id=80970)

Hmm, well, coincidences do happen. Or a reward for a job well done? Or do I need a tin foil fedora?

I hear dem blues gettin' louder and louder...

http://www.pipes.org/mediagallery/mediaobjects/disp/3/3_albert_king_1.jpg

Not to worry, they'll be singing "Afternoon Delight" in next to no time. Just to make sure the soma kicks in it appears that bitchy Edwards threads are being archived prematurely, I can attest that it happened to one of mine. A thread that brought this up was locked.

After Feb 5 it'll be just like the Tella Tubbies, or else.

Huge election, both parties decomposing, every process is changed and different, America is a different place, 32312 candidates, and....

bing-bong-bing-bing... like a pachenko machine, all the balls clank down... and at the bottom pop out two balls: McCain and Clinton...

Just like they said it would end-up four years ago, without regard to circumstances...

With the only "long-shot" being Obama. They said that four years ago as well.

And all of it happens, and is over, before the New Hampshire primaries were supposed to be scheduled in the first place... with all the things that have happened in the preceeding four years counting for nada...

Is this possible? Nah...

Is obvious: ...intellegent design.

http://home.planet.nl/~gkorthof/images/GOD.jpg

Hey, we've had our fun. Its like when Duke Lacrosse players train a stripper..gotta have that sense of porportion, y'know?

Obama headquarters. Naturally I engaged and the youngin's were pretty miserable as I asked them to discuss some of Obama's positions and discuss the track record of his advisers.

There's a big even tonight and I'll be going with booklets and leaflets.

On the bright side the big cheese of the campaign came in, our ex-mayor, and I got him to agree on most every point but Obama's "the best we've got." He's a realist- "Someone's going to be President." He was of course unaware of plenty of the stuff I brought to his attention and actually interested. I could seem him get discouraged but then he seemed to brace himself and then dig in a bit. The conversation "Has gone on longer than I expected, I better go check my meter before I get a ticket",
and he asked me to walk with him to his car. There lay a ticket on his window and turned on me and blamed for it saying he couldn't afford it. Poor guy in his massive new large shiny black SUV. I walked away yelling over, "It's an illusion and your propping it up." He looked like a wet rat.

Here's a theory from DU and check out this thread, perhaps the largest thread I've ever seen over there. Over 11,000 looks and going strong with over 600 comments and nearly 200 recs. The "theory" isn't the OP go here for the thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... 32x4310227 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4310227)

Cleric John Preston - Why? mystery solved

John Edwards took a 1-2 punch

The first he was surviving, the treatment of him by the Main Street Media - a gallant fight - and he was learning to work around them by booking himself on tv
talk shows. Nevertheless with thanks to McCamy Taylor & Daily Kos, this graph shows how the 5 corporate MSM's were shutting him out:

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z142/jedreport/headlines-2007.png

Next - the harshest blow:


Everyone including people who have spent time with John Edwards knew he had

trouble reading the words"time to step aside so that history can blaze its path"

he told a supporter at a debate a week ago on tv, he didnt have speech

writers, " I write all my own speeches".

He didnt write that: "history can blaze its path"

Who talks like that? We've never heard John speak like that.

time to google that phrase and see if it's ever been used before



how about "A Long and Twisted Blaze through History".....a book about

The Earl of Louisiana....(politician Huey Long)

So - did Edwards have a visit from a politician from Louisiana?

or

phrases: 'blaze' ... Fire colored balls to make sets of three, but don't let the

chain reach the golden skull or you're history!


or BINGO (and "2" about 500 posts above got it without the research)

Irish language:" Blaze of Colour" -

If you know any American Irishmen they all use phrases and words from the old

country they remember from their parents, like: bolloxed, blaze of colour,

Now who do we know who is an Irishman who could and would tell John to get out

of the race and John would do so ?

Well hello Uncle Teddy

a phone call from an enraged Ted Kennedy or with the help of Up In Arms or some

others, we might be able to find out if they were in the same place at the same

time, or if anyone saw them together.

Highly plausible John was upset by the betrayal of friendship...Kennedy is said

to have been a mentor of John when he was first in the Senate - and Uncle Teddy

really has it in for the Clintons a) because he had a phone conversation with

Bill and ordered Bill to disappear-didn't happen- the clash of the Titans and b)

over a petty misspeak of HRC giving credit to Johnson who passed JFK's civil

rights bills, but HRC did not mention JFK - So Uncle Teddy showed up with his

niece, John Kerry, his son, and declared what a wonderful candidate Obama was.

All to carry on a vindictive blood feud with the Clintons. ( By the way, it is

my recollection that the Kennedys would not allow Sammy Davis Jr. in their

house - because he was married to a white woman - my how times have changed)


Let us suppose that the Lion of the Senate called up John Edwards and roared

"get out of the race - I'm backing Obama and you're taking votes from him.

Reports were that Kerry's endorsement of Obama didn't bother John, but Kennedy's

did. Also Kerry that sleezey piece of work said on tv he was going to call John

after he dropped out. Kerry is capable of talking/writing in that stilted speech

also. But one of them delivered/faxed that piece of paper with the weird

phraeseology to John Edwards for John to read as his departure speech.


Kennedy himself and Kerry ganged up on John to clear the path for Obama, in

order to satisfy revenge - likely the bore partaking in his own personal revenge

since John had not spoken to him in 4 years.

Nefarious? yes. A threat made: could be, but could we believe Uncle Teddy would

threaten physically? Hard to believe, but who would believe a man we have

revered as the champion of the Liberals for decades would do this to John's

career. Was anything offered to John in return for his bowing out? I think that

is also highly unlikely. Just shoved aside by a man he had always admired and

was proud to show people around Ted Kennedy's old office on the Hill which John

now occupied.


What am I (hopefully we) going to do about it?

1) Now I'm not only going to vote for John Edwards in the primary, I'm going to write him in on the General Election ballot.(ant tell Teddy so)

2) I'm going to write and call Ted Kennedy and tell him I had heard he demanded John Edwards get out of the race so that Kennedy could pay back the Clintons for not listening to him and for forgetting to mention JFK was the author of the Civil Rights Bills, and that was the reason he was supporting Obama so voraciously. And what I think of him for doing this to John Edwards and the country when Edwards could be the best president this country has had since JFK.

3) Next, what goes around comes around; spread this all over the blogs. Uncle
Teddy wants to ruin another man's career and opportunity for the highest office in the land for petty revenge - the people should know why they are being denied
their candidate of choice.

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Huge election, both parties decomposing, every process is changed and different, America is a different place, 32312 candidates, and....

bing-bong-bing-bing... like a pachenko machine, all the balls clank down... and at the bottom pop out two balls: McCain and Clinton...

Just like they said it would end-up four years ago, without regard to circumstances...

With the only "long-shot" being Obama. They said that four years ago as well.

And all of it happens, and is over, before the New Hampshire primaries were supposed to be scheduled in the first place... with all the things that have happened in the preceeding four years counting for nada...

Is this possible? Nah...

Is obvious: ...intellegent design.

http://home.planet.nl/~gkorthof/images/GOD.jpg

Looks divine.

http://www1.barackobama.com/images/temp_flashheader.jpg

The only reason that I provided nominal support was the strange spell that Anaxarchos invoked talking about his
platform, etc. But in my periods of lucidity, I realized that Mr. Edwards was co sponsor of the Iraq War Resolution and
voted yea on both the 2001 Bankruptcy bill and The Patriot Act.

Then he shows up in NOLA and goes for the poor. That's nice, it's one thing we might talk about but he never really
let us know two things: 1) when was his conversion from card carrying member of The Money Party to a true populist? and
2) more importantly, why did he have this conversion experience. It's such a load of nonsense. They think we're so stupid.
Remember, every election 40% of people say, "Voting? Why? They're all a bunch of crooks." Are they right or what.

Had Edwards been clever, he'd have read this, maybe used it as a speech - pointed fingers at "them" and kicked some
ass.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0802/S00005.htm

Hell, it's free of restrictions. He could have read it to a crowd.... but that was not his job. His work involved being a place
holder for the upset Democrat activists, sucking up all their energy, and then quitting at a strategic moment.

Here's proof positive that he lacked any real sincerity. He said he'd support the Democrat (either of whom pledged to
continue the war(s) and never mentioned the consequence (1.0 plus million dead civilians, 5.0 million orphans).

The only reason that I provided nominal support was the strange spell that Anaxarchos invoked talking about his
platform, etc. But in my periods of lucidity, I realized that Mr. Edwards was co sponsor of the Iraq War Resolution and
voted yea on both the 2001 Bankruptcy bill and The Patriot Act.

Then he shows up in NOLA and goes for the poor. That's nice, it's one thing we might talk about but he never really
let us know two things: 1) when was his conversion from card carrying member of The Money Party to a true populist? and
2) more importantly, why did he have this conversion experience. It's such a load of nonsense. They think we're so stupid.
Remember, every election 40% of people say, "Voting? Why? They're all a bunch of crooks." Are they right or what.

Had Edwards been clever, he'd have read this, maybe used it as a speech - pointed fingers at "them" and kicked some
ass.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0802/S00005.htm

Hell, it's free of restrictions. He could have read it to a crowd.... but that was not his job. His work involved being a place
holder for the upset Democrat activists, sucking up all their energy, and then quitting at a strategic moment.

Here's proof positive that he lacked any real sincerity. He said he'd support the Democrat (either of whom pledged to
continue the war(s) and never mentioned the consequence (1.0 plus million dead civilians, 5.0 million orphans).

Don't think anyone on this site really gave two shits about whether he was sincere, Auto. The point was he'd opened a can of worms that had been verboten for quite a while, and people were responding. Now, for whatever reason, the people are betrayed again, but it looks like some are refusing their soma and are refusing to be herded. Mike's been over at DU working hammer and tong, nudging people along, to good effect, I think. I've been trying in my own lame way, but I ain't got no talent, nor I fear, the persistence. Might be just one tool in the box, but why not use it?

If some can be separated from the man on the white horse syndrome and come to see the responsibility as ours, that is an advance.

BTW, kudos for your work, it's like the surf relentlessly pounding a fortress, eroding suppositions, and while it might not bring down the curtain wall by itself, that first cannonball........

The only reason that I provided nominal support was the strange spell that Anaxarchos invoked talking about his
platform, etc. But in my periods of lucidity, I realized that Mr. Edwards was co sponsor of the Iraq War Resolution and
voted yea on both the 2001 Bankruptcy bill and The Patriot Act.

Then he shows up in NOLA and goes for the poor. That's nice, it's one thing we might talk about but he never really
let us know two things: 1) when was his conversion from card carrying member of The Money Party to a true populist? and
2) more importantly, why did he have this conversion experience. It's such a load of nonsense. They think we're so stupid.
Remember, every election 40% of people say, "Voting? Why? They're all a bunch of crooks." Are they right or what.

Had Edwards been clever, he'd have read this, maybe used it as a speech - pointed fingers at "them" and kicked some
ass.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0802/S00005.htm

Hell, it's free of restrictions. He could have read it to a crowd.... but that was not his job. His work involved being a place
holder for the upset Democrat activists, sucking up all their energy, and then quitting at a strategic moment.

Here's proof positive that he lacked any real sincerity. He said he'd support the Democrat (either of whom pledged to
continue the war(s) and never mentioned the consequence (1.0 plus million dead civilians, 5.0 million orphans).

Ya can't be for something without being against something else. It just stands to reason. We are against corporatism, are we? Then we have to take their corporates... and reduce them to mere people. Tax them? "Regulate" them? That's like kicking your neighbor's dog when he's not around because if he was around, he would beat you within an inch of your life. It is an act of purely symbolic significance.

But, if we are describing symbolic acts alone, then we really don't need to stick our neck out. Kicking the dog is just the same as talking about kicking the dog. It relieves frustration without sticking the old neck out too far. In fact, talking about kicking the dog and fantasizing about moving away from the neighbor both serve to help us do what we intended to do in the first place - which is nothing at all. It does make us feel better, no?

Edwards didn't do anything any better or worse than any of the others. All he did was to say that if you would vote for him, he would talk about kicking the dog for you... and save you the trauma and nervousness of doing it for yourself and, potentially, being overheard. We all hate that dog, don't we? And we intend to do nothing about that dog, right? So... where's the crime?
.

The only reason that I provided nominal support was the strange spell that Anaxarchos invoked talking about his
platform, etc. But in my periods of lucidity, I realized that Mr. Edwards was co sponsor of the Iraq War Resolution and
voted yea on both the 2001 Bankruptcy bill and The Patriot Act.

Then he shows up in NOLA and goes for the poor. That's nice, it's one thing we might talk about but he never really
let us know two things: 1) when was his conversion from card carrying member of The Money Party to a true populist? and
2) more importantly, why did he have this conversion experience. It's such a load of nonsense. They think we're so stupid.
Remember, every election 40% of people say, "Voting? Why? They're all a bunch of crooks." Are they right or what.

Had Edwards been clever, he'd have read this, maybe used it as a speech - pointed fingers at "them" and kicked some
ass.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0802/S00005.htm

Hell, it's free of restrictions. He could have read it to a crowd.... but that was not his job. His work involved being a place
holder for the upset Democrat activists, sucking up all their energy, and then quitting at a strategic moment.

Here's proof positive that he lacked any real sincerity. He said he'd support the Democrat (either of whom pledged to
continue the war(s) and never mentioned the consequence (1.0 plus million dead civilians, 5.0 million orphans).

I'm a little disappointed auto. I felt sure you were cranking out copy of the Kucinich story. He mouths off, threatens to force a recount in New Hampshire..his lunatic brother bites it mysteriously..he cans the recount AND withdraws

Add it up auto..wahahahahahhahahahaha!!

EDIT: I'll spell it out for you..Hilary killed Perry Kucinich!!!! Sure she doesn't do her own wetworks but, apart from GHWB, who does? Get on this immediately auto..

Co sponsor of the Iraq War Resolution, voted yea on the 2001 Bankruptcy Bill and the Patriot Act.

He met the criteria for the race: suck the wind out of any real reformist candidate; mutter notions in a lackluster fashion
about the need to rein in corporate power (duh); and say he's concerned for working people (like everybody) and the middle
class (an endangered species position, perhaps).

He did his job. He lost 30 of 31 elections in which he ran and he did his job this time. His commitment to populism was
so sincere that he immediately announced that he would support the nominee.

He did make one mistake in his role as man of the people. In September, someone asked Edwards, Clinton, and Obama
if their first term would end with the U.S. out of Iraq. None of them would commit to that by 2013.

What a fucking joke.