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by blindpig
Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:21 pm
Forum: Political Discussion
Topic: Reading Capital, continued (thread #2)...
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Re: Reading Capital, continued (thread #2)...

Kid of the Black Hole 10-17-2009, 09:55 AM (and yes usufruct literally comes from "use fruit") but one thing I've learned (the hard way) is that talking about things like "dialectic" outside of its own specific context or it but in a casual/offhand way, is typically a lose-lose proposition. Either i...
by blindpig
Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:20 pm
Forum: Political Discussion
Topic: Reading Capital, continued (thread #2)...
Replies: 166
Views: 48

Re: Reading Capital, continued (thread #2)...

PinkoCommie 10-17-2009, 06:39 AM Usufruct is the legal right to use and derive profit or benefit from property that belongs to another person, as long as the property is not damaged. In many legal systems of property, buyers of property may only purchase the usufruct of the property.Usufruct origina...
by blindpig
Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:19 pm
Forum: Political Discussion
Topic: Reading Capital, continued (thread #2)...
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Re: Reading Capital, continued (thread #2)...

brother cakes 10-16-2009, 11:06 PM but I think I found a good distillation of Vol. 1 of Capital "The capitalist pays the value, so far as price coincides with value, of the labor-power, and receives in exchange the disposal of the living labor-power itself. His usufruct is spread over two periods. D...
by blindpig
Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:19 pm
Forum: Political Discussion
Topic: Reading Capital, continued (thread #2)...
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Re: Reading Capital, continued (thread #2)...

blindpig 10-16-2009, 05:12 AM Marx is presenting a combined theoretical/historical thesis on the origins of commodities and exchange. No "transition" is required. In fact, our ability to move from a purely logical to a largely historical narrative IS the proof. The simplest logical forms are also th...
by blindpig
Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:16 pm
Forum: Political Discussion
Topic: Reading Capital, continued (thread #2)...
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Re: Reading Capital, continued (thread #2)...

anaxarchos
10-15-2009, 01:07 PM

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by blindpig
Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:15 pm
Forum: Political Discussion
Topic: Reading Capital, continued (thread #2)...
Replies: 166
Views: 48

Re: Reading Capital, continued (thread #2)...

anaxarchos 10-15-2009, 01:06 PM The first is a debate in political economy from before Marx's day (which oddly still hangs around till the present but in very different words): Do commodities have value because they have exchange value... OR... Do commodities have exchange value because they have va...
by blindpig
Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:15 pm
Forum: Political Discussion
Topic: Reading Capital, continued (thread #2)...
Replies: 166
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Re: Reading Capital, continued (thread #2)...

Kid of the Black Hole 10-14-2009, 03:24 PM We are treading on some rather rocky philosophical ground, but the elementary form of value is actually being shown to be a contradiction and a very real one, not one that is merely formal or existing solely in the intellect. In particular the CONTENT of va...
by blindpig
Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:14 pm
Forum: Political Discussion
Topic: Reading Capital, continued (thread #2)...
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Re: Reading Capital, continued (thread #2)...

blindpig
10-14-2009, 02:29 PM

The elementary form of value is the same as exchange value, writ large, indicating the transition in our discussion from the theoretical to the historic.

Or I'm really confused.
by blindpig
Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:13 pm
Forum: Political Discussion
Topic: Reading Capital, continued (thread #2)...
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Re: Reading Capital, continued (thread #2)...

curt_b 10-14-2009, 01:26 PM Did a search for it earlier: 1st four results: # Pari passu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Sep 5, 2009 ... This term is also often used in bankruptcy proceedings where creditors are said to be paid pari passu, or each creditor is paid pro rata in ... en.wikipedia.org/...
by blindpig
Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:12 pm
Forum: Political Discussion
Topic: Reading Capital, continued (thread #2)...
Replies: 166
Views: 48

Re: Reading Capital, continued (thread #2)...

blindpig
10-14-2009, 01:02 PM

figured it was something like that.