blindpig
01-15-2010, 11:53 AM

It is the labor used in the production of a commodity, it has been expended by the worker but is infused in the commodity.

Wait a minute...

Or is it the dead labor tied up in money that is not in circulation within the capitalist system?

damn....

Kid of the Black Hole
01-15-2010, 12:02 PM

so that you have to denominate it in labor time. What takes an hour in one industry is the same as what takes an hour in any other industry.

Both money and commodities are tokens of this social labor (hence as Anax says above it is "congealed")

blindpig
01-15-2010, 01:14 PM

That is one of the things that these "skilled" workers are most resistant to, that a manual laborers time has the same value as their's, but it's true. I see it as true in two ways, the social value to society of the labor and as the equality of all human's time. As though one person's life has more value than another's.

Kid of the Black Hole
01-15-2010, 01:20 PM

Repetition helps me

Dhalgren
01-15-2010, 01:21 PM

a commodity. Its value has already been extracted and is being held within the commodity until it is exchanged? Why is it called "dead labor"?

anaxarchos
01-15-2010, 01:33 PM

Objectified labor set against the living laborer...

...or "Them" in shorthand.

anaxarchos
01-15-2010, 01:41 PM

in this thread:

http://www.progressiveindependent.com/d ... c_id=96699

blindpig
01-15-2010, 03:28 PM

sort of. That's what over-thinking gets ya.

kinda mind-boggling when ya think about one coat, the shepherd(assuming its wool), the shearer, transit, spinning, carding, dying, weaving, cutting, sewing, more transit......lots of pieces of lives there.

Kid of the Black Hole
01-16-2010, 06:27 PM

paragraph 3?

Dhalgren
01-16-2010, 07:00 PM

that maybe I'm not so much! :aetsch: Let's get the OK from everyone. There might be one or two who want to ask more. We ain't all as smart as you...

(punk)....

Did I say that out loud?