The Story of Zoya and Shura by L. Kosmodemyanskaya

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Rakhmetov was created by Nikolai Chernyshevsky and appeared in Chto Delat? (What is to be done?) (1862-1863) Chernyshevsky (1828-1889) was a Russian socialist, reformer, and writer; he wrote for the radical journal Contemporary. What is to be done? was his most influential work, though, giving him the reputation as a forerunner of the Russian revolutionary movement as well as a primary influence on Dostoevsky, Notes from the Underground, and Crime and Punishment.

Rakhmetov is an exceptional person in many ways. Among the boatmen of the Volga Rakhmetov is known as "Nikitushka Lomof," after the legendarily huge and strong boatman hero. Rakhmetov wasn't born strong, but at age seventeen decided to improve himself, and so spent hours practicing gymnastics. Rakhmetov also spent time as a "common laborer," improving his physical strength, and feeding himself a special diet. The result was that he became exceptionally, almost superhumanly, strong. (At one point he catches the axle of a runaway wagon and holds it for long enough to stop the horses). He read widely, in philosophy, science, and literature, always trying to improve his mind and become as knowledgeable as possible. He traveled across Europe and North America, studying other languages, cultures, and peoples.

The result is that Rakhmetov becomes, in the words of a critic, "the prototype of hard-headed materialism and pragmatism, of total dissatisfaction with the government, and of the self-sacrificing nobility of spirit that was the ideal of many of the radical intelligentsia." Rakhmetov is a rationalist and ascetic who prepares himself for total and complete revolution against the Czarist regime. He is, in other words, a revolutionary Doc Savage.
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01-29-2007, 11:36 PM

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"Liberalism, austere in political trifles, has learned ever more artfully to unite a constant protest against the government with a constant submission to it. "

"Unaware of the absurdity of it, we introduce our own petty household rules into the economy of the universe for which the life of generations, peoples, of entire planets, has no importance in relation to the general development. "

"What breadth, what beauty and power of human nature and development there must be in a woman to get over all the palisades, all the fences, within which she is held captive! "

"Life has taught me to think, but thinking has not taught me to live. "

"We could hardly believe that after so many ordeals, after all the trials of modern cynicism, there was still so much left in our souls to destroy. "
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01-30-2007, 12:08 AM

Wow, this thread is like a quickie primer on revolutionary thought and how action comes about. The sad part is it doesn't paint a pretty picture. People rising up from absolute oppression.

I don't really know what to think about all of this. I read in some article that the way forward wasn't becoming a society of artisan/craftsman (each 'owning' no more than the tools of his trade, and basic necessities) but so-called info-proles - ie painters, writers, thinkers, programmers, actors, etc all congealing as a class and recognizing that they inherently "own" their originial contributions - claims of intellectual property rights be damned.

I don't know if that idea makes any sense, because it seems pretty kooky to expect those people - who largely still rely on the tradional "patronage" system - will ever come together as such.

"Liberalism, austere in political trifles, has learned ever more artfully to unite a constant protest against the government with a constant submission to it. "

A movement I came across recently called Distributism interested me, more on theoretical grounds than its current advocates. A society of craftsman with all capital divided amongst the populace so that no large accumulations are possible. Governed also by beliefs in social justice as traditionally expressed by the Catholic Church (not so much practiced by the Church though)

But then, in theory any thing can sound great.
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anaxarchos
01-30-2007, 12:19 AM
Wow, this thread is like a quickie primer on revolutionary thought and how action comes about. The sad part is it doesn't paint a pretty picture. People rising up from absolute oppression.

I don't really know what to think about all of this. I read in some article that the way forward wasn't becoming a society of artisan/craftsman (each 'owning' no more than the tools of his trade, and basic necessities) but so-called info-proles - ie painters, writers, thinkers, programmers, actors, etc all congealing as a class and recognizing that they inherently "own" their originial contributions - claims of intellectual property rights be damned.

I don't know if that idea makes any sense, because it seems pretty kooky to expect those people - who largely still rely on the tradional "patronage" system - will ever come together as such.

"Liberalism, austere in political trifles, has learned ever more artfully to unite a constant protest against the government with a constant submission to it. "

A movement I came across recently called Distributism interested me, more on theoretical grounds than its current advocates. A society of craftsman with all capital divided amongst the populace so that no large accumulations are possible. Governed also by beliefs in social justice as traditionally expressed by the Catholic Church (not so much practiced by the Church though)

But then, in theory any thing can sound great.
The trick is not to think anything of it...
It's to "write out the dictionary"...
Like Malcom...

Thinkin' comes later.... without a thought... Hah.
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"Liberalism, austere in political trifles, has learned ever more artfully to unite a constant protest against the government with a constant submission to it. "
"The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them." -Twain
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01-30-2007, 11:47 AM

A movement I came across recently called Distributism interested me, more on theoretical grounds than its current advocates. A society of craftsman with all capital divided amongst the populace so that no large accumulations are possible.

That's the kind of society Adam Smith was talking about as the ideal. It's also the co-op/anarchic socialist society: anyone can accumulate as much as se can amass from hir own labor, but that's all. Nobody can skim the value of anyone else's labor because nobody can own more than their personal share of productive wealth. There's no "ten who toil while one reposes".
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01-30-2007, 12:34 PM

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In the 19th Century, a unique Tsarist institution called "Civic Executions" was put into effect. All of the steps leading to a real execution were undertaken, but it was not clear whether the act was to be consummated or not. The most famous victim of such a "punishment" was Dostoevskii, but the torture was common


These people and this case--the Petrashevtsy, as a group or for that matter as individuals--were creatures of the Russian state. And like sinners in the hand of an angry God, Dostoevskii and several of the "most guilty" among them were subjected to a sadistic mock execution by firing squad, halted by preordained and wholly arbitrary plan just before triggers were pulled. The state then marched them off to Siberia, some, like Petrashevskii, never to return.

The Petrashevtsy, under judicial threat of extinction, had not for their own part so much called for the "destruction" of "the existing order" as they had felt in their bones that the existing order was collapsing around them, and they perceived active ways to ride out the winds of change, perhaps to emerge victorious, transformed from petty hirelings in a ponderous and unjust bureaucratic tyranny into participants in, perhaps leaders of, a brighter and better life for their whole nation, possibly the whole world. The solutions of their problems sometimes appeared to be solutions of all mankind's problems. Fourier contributed to these moments of giddy vision. Tsar Nicholas and his commission countered with sobering reminders of cold reality.
http://www.uoregon.edu/~kimball/Petrashevtsy.htm


Berlioz was fortunate to have made his visit in 1847. After the upheavals of 1848, the final years of the Emperor’s rule were darkened still further by the spectre of revolution and conspiracy. Censorship became more prohibitive, the agents of the Third Department – the secret police – stepped up their surveillance of dissidents; private letters were routinely opened; societies were infiltrated. Among those arrested for conspiracy in 1849 was the twenty-eight year-old Dostoevskii. Along with twenty others, he was subjected to a terrifying mock execution in Semenovskii Square in the centre of St Petersburg, before being sent to Siberia. He was not allowed back to Russia until four years after Nicholas’s death.
http://www.hberlioz.com/Special/ledmondson.htm

There is significant testimony that this institution has been resurrected in Iraq, today, and that it has, once again, become routine...
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In October of 1941, still a high school student in Moscow, she volunteered for a partisan unit. At the village of Obukhovo near Naro-Fominsk, Kosmodemyanskaya and other partisans crossed the front line and entered territory, occupied by the Germans. She was arrested by the Nazis on a combat assignment near the village of Petrishchevo (Moscow Oblast) on November 27, 1941. Details of the assignment and the arrest were classified for sixty years due to the fact that there was a treachery in this case.

The criminal case number 16440 was declassified in 2002. The case was then reviewed by Russia's Chief Military Prosecutor Office, and it decided, that Vasily Klubkov, who betrayed Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, is not the subject for rehabilitation. According to the criminal case 16440, three Soviet combatants: Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, Vasily Klubkov, and their commander Boris Krainov had to perform acts of sabotage on the Soviet territory occupied by the Nazis. They had the task of setting fire to houses in the village of Petrishchevo, where the Nazis were quartered. Krainov should operate in the central part of the village, Kosmodemyanskaya in the southern and Klubkov in the northern one. Krainov had carried out the task first and returned to the base. Zoya had performed her task too, as was evidenced by three tongues of flame in the southern part of Petrischevo, seen from the base. Only the northern part was not set to fire at all. According to Klubkov he was captured by two Nazi soldiers and brought into their staff. The Nazi officer threatened to kill him and Klubkov told names of Kosmodemyanskaya and Krainov, who had similar tasks to Klubkov's one. After this Kosmodemyanskaya was captured by the Nazis.[1][2]

Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya was tortured and humiliated. In particular, she was undressed and beaten with rubber sticks for two or three hours by several Nazis. But Kosmodemyanskaya did not give away the names of her comrades or her real name (claiming that it was Tanya). She said: "Kill me, I'll tell you nothing" (Russian: "Убейте меня, я вам ничего не скажу"). [1] She was hanged on November 29, 1941. It was claimed that before her death Kosmodemyanskaya had made a speech with the closing words, “There are two hundred million of us, you can’t hang us all!” Kosmodemyanskaya was the first woman to become Hero of the Soviet Union (February 16, 1942).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoya_Kosmodemyanskaya


She was 18 years old at the time of her death.


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Actual photos of Zoya's execution, found on the body of a Nazi officer.
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Mairead
01-30-2007, 02:17 PM

She was 18 years old at the time of her death.

That's the right age for martyrdom, alright. They don't really believe they can die, so they're willing to take every risk. 'That old lie, Dulce et decorum est'.

She had a strange surname, it doesn't sound Russian at all. It doesn't even sound like a nom de guerre.
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Post by blindpig » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:24 pm

anaxarchos
01-30-2007, 02:27 PM
She was 18 years old at the time of her death.

That's the right age for martyrdom, alright. They don't really believe they can die, so they're willing to take every risk. 'That old lie, Dulce et decorum est'.

She had a strange surname, it doesn't sound Russian at all. It doesn't even sound like a nom de guerre.
It was her family name. Her brother Alexander (i.e. 'Shura') also died in combat and also became a Hero of the Soviet Union in 1945.

Her 'nom de guerre' was 'Tanya'... and yes, this is the origin of that famous name as well (through Cuba).

Amazing where a logical thread takes you, isn't it?

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