The Story of Zoya and Shura by L. Kosmodemyanskaya

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Mairead
01-30-2007, 02:46 PM

It was her family name.
I think my point was that it doesn't sound like a name that arose the way other Russian names arose. Most family names in Russia as elsewhere were formed in "mundane" ways: Krasnopolskij = someone who lived near a beautiful (krasnoe) field (pole); Kuznetsov = child of the local kuznets (smith); Chernyj = 'Black' or 'Belyj' = 'White' for someone with dark/light coloring; Ivanov = John's family, etc. Kosmodem'yansk.. doesn't seem to sort out the same way. I suppose it might have started out as something completely ordinary in some local dialect and been 'Russified' in a goofy way. It just looks strange to me.


Her 'nom de guerre' was 'Tanya'... and yes, this is the origin of that famous name as well (through Cuba).
Famous in what sense? Tanya is the standard nickname for the given name Tatyana, but I can't get any further than that.
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01-30-2007, 02:59 PM
It was her family name.
I think my point was that it doesn't sound like a name that arose the way other Russian names arose. Most family names in Russia as elsewhere were formed in "mundane" ways: Krasnopolskij = someone who lived near a beautiful (krasnoe) field (pole); Kuznetsov = child of the local kuznets (smith); Chernyj = 'Black' or 'Belyj' = 'White' for someone with dark/light coloring; Ivanov = John's family, etc. Kosmodem'yansk.. doesn't seem to sort out the same way. I suppose it might have started out as something completely ordinary in some local dialect and been 'Russified' in a goofy way. It just looks strange to me.


Her 'nom de guerre' was 'Tanya'... and yes, this is the origin of that famous name as well (through Cuba).
Famous in what sense? Tanya is the standard nickname for the given name Tatyana, but I can't get any further than that.
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Kozmodemyansk (Russian: Козьмодемья́нск; Hill Mari: Цикмä, Cikmä; Meadow Mari: Чыкма, Čykma) is a town in the Mari El Republic, Russia, located at the confluence of the Vetluga and the Volga Rivers at 56°20′12″N, 46°34′16″E. Population: 22,771 (2002 Census)

Kozmodemyansk is the administrative center of Gornomariysky District of Mari El. It was founded by Tsar Ivan IV in 1552 after his conquest of Kazan as a frontier fortress to guard against Tatar attacks. The town was named after Sts. Cosmas and Damian. For many years there was nothing at the location besides a streltsy fortress. As the Volga route was established, a town gradually grew around the fortress, but the region remained largely populated by the Mari people. The town had a fair famous for wooden and wicker ware goods produced by local craftsmen. The town was very active during summer, but winters brought halt to river traffic. In the 20th century the town developed industrially.

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01-30-2007, 03:19 PM

Far out! Thanks for finding that. The name is so strange looking as a surname that it would never have occurred to me in a hundred years that it might have been contrived from an equally-contrived modern placename. It figures that the place was created and named by Ivan-the-Nutcase
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01-30-2007, 03:54 PM
Far out! Thanks for finding that. The name is so strange looking as a surname that it would never have occurred to me in a hundred years that it might have been contrived from an equally-contrived modern placename. It figures that the place was created and named by Ivan-the-Nutcase.
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01-30-2007, 04:10 PM
Famous in what sense? Tanya is the standard nickname for the given name Tatyana, but I can't get any further than that.

Haydée Tamara Bunke Bider (November 19, 1937 – August 31, 1967), better known as Tania or Tania the Guerilla, was a communist revolutionary... who played a prominent role in the Cuban government after the Cuban Revolution and in various Latin American revolutionary movements. She was the only woman to fight alongside Bolivian communist rebels under Che Guevara.

Bunke Bider was born in Buenos Aires, Argentina, the daughter of German communists Erich Bunke and Nadia Bider (who was Jewish). Her parents had fled to Argentina from Germany in the 1930s to escape the Nazis.

...On August 31, 1967, Bolivian soldiers ambushed the group while they were crossing the Río Grande at Vado del Yeso, and killed Bunke Bider and eight fellow communist guerillas. Bunke Bider's body was swept away in the river; Bolivian soldiers found it on September 6, and she was buried the next day, close to her fellow revolutionaries.

Her remains were tracked down to this location on October 13, 1998. They were transferred to Cuba, where she was reburied alongside her comrades.

She became a martyr of the Cuban Revolution.

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Bunke Bider was born in Buenos Aires, Argentina, the daughter of German communists Erich Bunke and Nadia Bider (who was Jewish). Her parents had fled to Argentina from Germany in the 1930s to escape the Nazis.

...On August 31, 1967, Bolivian soldiers ambushed the group while they were crossing the Río Grande at Vado del Yeso, and killed Bunke Bider and eight fellow communist guerillas. Bunke Bider's body was swept away in the river; Bolivian soldiers found it on September 6, and she was buried the next day, close to her fellow revolutionaries.

Her remains were tracked down to this location on October 13, 1998. They were transferred to Cuba, where she was reburied alongside her comrades.

She became a martyr of the Cuban Revolution.

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Wow, I just had a Patty Hearst moment...

April 1974: The SLA releases a "communiqué" tape on which Patty Hearst says she will "stay and fight" with the SLA. She adopts the name "Tania," for Tania Burke, Che Guevara's lover. Twelve days later, as the SLA robs a Hibernia Bank in San Francisco, a security camera photographs Hearst. On another tape, Hearst says the robbery was an "expropriation": "Greetings to the people, this is Tania … the difference between a criminal act and a revolutionary act is what the money is used for." U.S. Attorney General William Saxbe calls Hearst a "common criminal."
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On edit, for clarifications of Saxbe's comment: The banker is the 'common' criminal. Tania was uncommon indeed.

This Day In History: Patty Hearst Kidnapped

February 4,1974 : Patty Hearst kidnapped

On February 4, 1974, Patty Hearst, the 19-year-old daughter of newspaper publisher Randolph Hearst, is kidnapped from her apartment in Berkeley, California, by two black men and a white woman, all three of whom are armed. Her fiance, Stephen Weed, was beaten and tied up along with a neighbor who tried to help. Witnesses reported seeing a struggling Hearst being carried away blindfolded, and she was put in the trunk of a car. Neighbors who came out into the street were forced to take cover after the kidnappers fired their guns to cover their escape.

Three days later, the Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA), a small U.S. leftist group, announced in a letter to a Berkeley radio station that it was holding Hearst as a "prisoner of war." Four days later, the SLA demanded that the Hearst family give $70 in foodstuffs to every needy person from Santa Rosa to Los Angeles. This done, said the SLA, negotiation would begin for the return of Patricia Hearst. Randolph Hearst hesitantly gave away some $2 million worth of food. The SLA then called this inadequate and asked for $4 million more. The Hearst Corporation said it would donate the additional sum if the girl was released unharmed.

In April, however, the situation changed dramatically when a surveillance camera took a photo of Hearst participating in an armed robbery of a San Francisco bank, and she was also spotted during a robbery of a Los Angeles store. She later declared, in a tape sent to the authorities, that she had joined the SLA of her own free will.

On May 17, Los Angeles police raided the SLA's secret headquarters, killing six of the group's nine known members. Among the dead was the SLA's leader, Donald DeFreeze, an African American ex-convict who called himself General Field Marshal Cinque. Patty Hearst and two other SLA members wanted for the April bank robbery were not on the premises.

Finally, on September 18, 1975, after crisscrossing the country with her captors--or conspirators--for more than a year, Hearst, or "Tania" as she called herself, was captured in a San Francisco apartment and arrested for armed robbery. Despite her claim that she had been brainwashed by the SLA, she was convicted on March 20, 1976, and sentenced to seven years in prison. She served 21 months before her sentence was commuted by President Carter. After leaving prison, she returned to a more routine existence and later married her bodyguard.

She was pardoned by President Clinton in January 2001
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Mairead
01-30-2007, 04:28 PM
You can't mean this guy?
That's him, alright. A smart, psychotic psychopath with bipolar disorder. It don't get worse than that.
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This sort of content would best be put up as a 'book' on the main page's (drupal) site and then linked back to a thread on this board. In doing so, we can add to that content on the drupal site. As time goes by, this content then becomes a valuable resource rather than a disappeared thread. Tagging the content on the other site makes it not only searchable but also available in reference to other content that shares tags with it. This is hard to explain but very effective at improving the content's context and staying power compared to parking it here.

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According to James McCord's book, "A Piece of Tape," on June 21, 1972, John Dean asked L. Patrick Gray who was in charge of handling the Watergate investigation. Answer: Charles Bates –- the same official in charge of handling the SLA.

Why Was Patricia Hearst Kidnapped?

(part I)

by Mae Brussell, from The Realist February 1974

TABLE OF CONTENTS

I. Why Was Patricia Hearst Kidnapped?

II. Cast of Characters

III. Chronology of Events

IV. Why Was the SLA Created – the Motives?

V. The Tell-Tale Revolutionaries: Conspicuous Banditos or Provocateurs?

VI. Tactical Support – Where Did It Come From?

VII. How Dangerous Was the SLA?

VIII. Why the Charges Against Patty?

IX. The Death Trap

How Do You Tell a CIA Espionage Plot from a Revolutionary, Radical, Terrorist Guerrilla Army?

1. Cover Story
2. Coincidence?
3. Dummy Fronts
4. Use of Media and Propaganda
5. CIA Collusion
6. FBI Collusion
7. Tom Charles Huston Plan, Combined Military, Justice Department, CIA, FBI, Police Departments, Department of Corrections, Stanford Research Institute, President Richard Nixon, Vice-President Gerald Ford, Attorney General Saxbe

XI. Indications the SLA Was Part of a Larger National Conspiracy

XII. Was This Plan Necessary?

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Introduction:

"You only need to have a tape recorder to set up a revolutionary movement today."

– FBI Director Charles Bates, San Francisco

There are three Symbionese Liberation Armies. This article is about SLA-BC.

SLA-BC (Before Cremation)

A small band of people brought together in the San Francisco Bay Area, California. Through various manipulations, military intelligence infiltrated radical groups, specifically the prison's Black Guerrilla Family, Vietnam Veterans Against the War, United Farm Workers, Chino Defense Fund, Venceremos and the Women's Movement. These targets of the FBI and police were to be associated with the importation of persons from out of state. Some local women were incorporated in the group to lend authenticity.

SLA-AC (After Cremation)

Radicals or concerned citizens who responded with sympathy and horror at the public cremation of six SLA members by the military SWAT team. Continuous government murders such as those committed at the Orangeburg massacre, Jackson State, Kent State, Attica and San Quentin, police murders of Black Panthers, Black Muslims and hundreds of others, necessarily cause a genuine response. Silence in the face of these acts escalates genocide. Public disapproval escalates police armies.

SLA-CIA

More "liberation armies," fictitious messages, forged documents, infiltrators and spies will surface. Legitimate reform groups will continue to be discredited by acts of violence committed in their names. Peaceful rallies will be destroyed by intelligence agents. The organized disruption of the anti-war movement and rock concerts that took place during the '60s will escalate. The kidnappings and bombings will be blamed on the SLA, or "dedicated to the memory of the six slain SLA members." These planned acts of violence will include chemical warfare.

I. Why Was Patricia Hearst Kidnapped?

The kidnapping of Patricia Campbell Hearst was as vital to the creation of the Symbionese Liberation Army as the murder of Austrian Archduke Franz Ferdinand was to the beginning of World War I. Both the kidnapping and the murder were used as an excuse to declare war. The ensuing battles had been carefully prepared and anticipated by the merchants of death.

The end goal of the SLA – World War III – is to plunge the Third World masses into starvation and slavery. We have accomplished this through the CIA in 77 countries. The Third World inside the United States is the next selected victim.

The SLA was nurtured inside the American prison system. This will provide the excuse to isolate prisons from future visitors, creating private Dachaus and another Auschwitz.

The SLA was created in order to spread terror and fear across the country. There will be a forced response upon existing radicals. Domestic chaos will escalate.

Carefully synchronized with the Hearst kidnapping in Berkeley were a series of provocateur-inspired kidnappings. Fictitious "armies" surfaced. As far away as England, well-dressed and well-financed Ian Ball was pretending to kidnap Princess Anne to "feed the poor." After his brief moment in history, Ball was taken away to a mental hospital.

An admitted kidnapping hoax involved Jean Paul Litt, son of a Belgian diplomat, in Florence, Italy.

The timing of international with national kidnappings could easily be planned to instill fear of an epidemic of abductions across continents.

In the meantime, and not by coincidence, only the poor suffer from these kidnapping and shootings on their behalf.

America's first political kidnapping was necessary to justify the creation of laws and the development of police SWAT teams. They can later be used against legitimate guerrilla or terrorist activities.

Increased repressions, planned genocide, starvation, widespread unemployment, inadequate health care and housing must necessarily provoke anger and self-defense in the face of death. Washington is preparing its defenses, its punishments and its armies in the streets.

The series of staged exploits by the SLA has created fear, suspicion and mistrust of genuine avenues of political change. Radical movements can be discredited and associated with kidnapping, terror, murder, bank robbery and violence.

Under the guise of "reforms," the door is now open for increased infiltration and disruption of progressive movements.

The Watergate affair provides only a small glimpse of how the White House, Pentagon, CIA, FBI, local police departments and intelligence agencies rig elections, manipulate candidates and violate the rights of citizens. Wiretaps, smear campaigns, illegal entry, forgery, interception and opening of mail, provocations, planned kidnappings, blackmail, leaks, poisoning, and assassinations are acceptable tactics to the "team members."

The Justice Department, Attorney Generals, government prosecutors, and investigators are used to protect these domestic espionage operations and cover up the serious crimes that are committed.

Intelligence agents don't only work against us at election time. They work every year, in every city, to help the power structure maintain control. They work against leftists, radicals and ordinary citizens assembling to inquire how their freedoms are being taken away.

Government-funded studies are made at Rand Corporation a and other think tanks on how to manipulate the population for maximum effectiveness and profit. The armies put the plans into action.

The agencies that control our elections, and indeed the selection of candidates, by bullets and smear tactics also control domestic productivity and investments. Since starvation and unemployment will inevitably lead to violent objections, provisions must be made to handle the mob. That is what the SLA was about.
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This sort of content would best be put up as a 'book' on the main page's (drupal) site and then linked back to a thread on this board. In doing so, we can add to that content on the drupal site. As time goes by, this content then becomes a valuable resource rather than a disappeared thread. Tagging the content on the other site makes it not only searchable but also available in reference to other content that shares tags with it. This is hard to explain but very effective at improving the content's context and staying power compared to parking it here.

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"Well then, tell me how", he said, wincing slightly. Meanwhile the fly whose incessant drone had filled the bar for the past ten minutes finally landed on the blade of the fan which had not turned in at least 20 years. Just as suddenly, the fly was silently inhaled by a small lizard, the resident hunter of the-fan-that-was-not-a-fan.

"Just tell me how", he repeated, this time recovering his composure...

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