The Soviet Union

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Post by blindpig » Wed Nov 08, 2023 2:46 pm

We are the children of those who fought against the Central Rada...
November 7, 19:41

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We are the children of those who fought against the Central Rada...

Since we have November 7, the day of the socialist revolution, let us remember one of the main song symbols of the Soviet era.

“Our locomotive, fly forward!
There is a stop in the commune.
We have no other way,
We have a rifle in our hands...”


These lines, the chorus of the famous song, will be remembered by many today. At least based on the cult film “Officers”. The song is truly one of the most recognizable musical symbols of the Soviet era - no less than the “Internationale” or even the anthem of the USSR.

But few people today will remember that the canonical version of this song begins with this first verse:

We are the children of those who fought
against the Central Rada,
Who left their locomotive,
Going to the barricades.


Later, the version “We are the children of those who attacked the white troops...” will appear. But initially there was a Central Rada. And what is it? And this is the first separatist government in Kyiv, which arose even before the October Revolution, immediately after the February collapse of the monarchy.
The Central Rada is the predecessor of all the Petliurites and Banderaites, all the current Poroshenkos and Zelenskys.

Let me remind you that immediately after the October Revolution, it was the Bolsheviks who began what the Provisional Government did not dare to do - an open armed war against Ukrainian separatism.

Three months after the legendary Aurora salvo and the storming of the Winter Palace, Lenin’s government had already taken Kyiv.
Moreover, the advancing Red troops were supported by the Kyiv workers who rebelled against the Central Rada.

We are the children of those who fought
against the Central Rada...


In a word, it is not at all accidental, but quite naturally, that one of the main songs of the Soviet era begins with words about the fight against separatism in Ukraine.

PS The photo shows a Soviet monument in Kyiv, dedicated to the Kyiv workers who rebelled in January 1918 against the Ukrainian separatists. Three years ago, in 2019, all Soviet symbols and inscriptions on the monument were destroyed, but a sign glorifying Petliura was attached...

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Post by blindpig » Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:16 pm

What happened to the wood walls that were planted in the early 1950s?
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November 8, 18:56

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Educational page.

What happened to the wood walls that were planted in the early 1950s? Stalin's plan for the transformation of nature

Many people remember the plan to divert Siberian rivers to irrigate the steppe and desert areas of the southern USSR. But few people know about the real plan for transforming the country’s arid territories, which was carried out during Stalin’s life in the post-war period (1948-1953)

after the drought of 1946-47. a plan was adopted to reduce the influence of dry winds from the south with the full title “On the plan for shelterbelt forest plantations, the introduction of grass crop rotations, the construction of ponds and reservoirs to ensure high sustainable yields in the steppe and forest-steppe regions of the European part of the USSR.” In the press and among the population it was simply called “Stalin’s plan for the transformation of nature.” Because the project was named after I.V. Stalin.

It was planned to create eight forest belts and cover four watersheds of the Dnieper, Don, Volga, and Ural basins with forests, and cover the entire European south of Russia with forest belts. The length of field protective plantings was supposed to be 5,300 km. In these strips, until 1953, 2.3 million hectares of forest were planted.

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In addition to eight powerful forest belts 60-100 m wide, it was planned to plant the entire territory of the south of the USSR with small forest belts along ravines, fields, reservoirs and even deserts (to prevent the spreading of sands). The plan included the creation of many artificial reservoirs and reservoirs. It was planned to plant trees along the banks of 44,300 new ponds and natural reservoirs.

The plan also provided for new farming systems. For example, the introduction of a grass-based farming system, the use of black fallows, plowing and stubble peeling. As well as irrigation systems.

Forest strips made it possible to reduce the impact of dry winds on the soil and acted as snow retention. They curbed soil erosion and prevented the spread of ravines. A microclimate is created in forest belts, new ecosystems and animals are introduced.

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In addition to the 120 state tree nurseries, an additional 110 state farm tree nurseries were created and at least one for every 5-10 collective farms for growing seedlings. Not only a scheme was developed for planting, but also for caring for forest belts using the created forest protection stations.

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The plan lasted until 1965. To develop the project, the Agrolesproekt Institute (renamed Rosgiproles) was created, which existed until 2019. Forest protection stations were created for planting and caring for forest belts. But by 1955 they were all liquidated (there were 570 forest protection stations).

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The result was not long in coming. Already at that time, the grain yield in the fields amounted to 20-25 centners per hectare. And this is without modern fertilizers and pesticides.

The measures taken led to an increase in grain yields by 25-30%, vegetables - by 50-75%, herbs - by 100-200%.
In the very first years of Khrushchev’s rule, the project was forcibly curtailed. Because They liquidated everything that related to the cult of the leader. Forest protection stations (FPS) were transferred to MTS and activities were curtailed, because MTS had a completely different profile.

But the forest belts were not completely abandoned. In the 1980s, forestry enterprises still planted seedlings in forest belts on an area of ​​30 thousand hectares per year, after 1995 - no more than 2 thousand hectares, and in 2007 only 0.3 thousand hectares per year.

What do the forest belts look like now and is there anything left of them? Yes, from the ground it looks like this:

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From the heights of space photographs they can be seen more clearly:

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As you can see, in some places the forest belts have completely disappeared. It turns out that until 2006 they belonged to the Ministry of Agriculture, and then their status was eliminated. They turned out to be a draw. In theory, they should have transferred to the forest fund. Forest belts began to be cut down for cottage development or for the purpose of obtaining timber.

Such forest belts can be seen not only in the south of the country. They also exist in Siberia, in the Altai Territory:

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The Altai Territory is also an agricultural region, so forest walls here also allow you to save fields from erosion and accumulate snow. The width of the forest belt is approximately 55-75 m.

“Stalin’s plan for the transformation of nature” is considered one of the large-scale projects to transform natural conditions to improve a comfortable environment and increase crop yields. This was real activity, and not those “attacks” on industry and protests that the various “green” parties are able to organize in our time.

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Well, hedgerows alone do not a natural habitat make...except on the smallest scale though they are undoubtedly useful as a reservoir for a number of species. It was the elimination of hedgerows in these parts in order to squeeze out a few more cotton bolls which have left big holes in the distribution maps of a number of species. This 'green is good enough' attitude is inadequate for biodiversity. We sometimes see this in China though there is much attention to biodiversity there too.

We do not want to eliminate the 'desart' entirely, there is surprising diversity and beauty there too.

The problem with those"attacks on industry which Boris scoffs is that they do not get to the core of the problem, capitalism, and so are utterly futile.

Is not this sort of terrain exactly that which is being fought over in southern Ukraine?
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Post by blindpig » Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:57 pm

Anniversary of the liberation of Omsk from Kolchak
November 14, 13:48

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In Omsk, they poured orange paint on the figure of Kolchak (installed in 2002 near a restaurant) and added “Executioner.”
On the anniversary of the liberation of Omsk from Kolchak, no less.
Let me remind you that according to the conclusions of the military prosecutor's office of the Russian Federation, Kolchak is a war criminal.

November 14 is the day of the liberation of Omsk from the Kolchak regime.

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November 14, 1919, during the Omsk operation of the Red Army, the 27th Infantry Division of the 5th Army (commander - M.N. Tukhachevsky) immediately crossed the frozen Irtysh River and occupied Omsk. The 30,000-strong Omsk garrison of A.V. Kolchak’s White Army surrendered without a fight.

The offensive of the Red Army began on November 4 after the end of the Peter and Paul Operation, which was successful for it. White troops were concentrated to defend Omsk along the Irtysh. The 5th Army of the Red Army advanced along the Trans-Siberian Railway, and the 3rd Army along the Ishim-Omsk railway.

At the same time, the 59th Infantry Division and the 13th Red Cavalry Division launched an attack on Kokchetav and Atbasar against the troops of A.I. Dutov. Due to ice drift on the Irtysh, which made crossing the river impossible, the white command considered the possibility of turning the army retreating to the east to the south, with the goal of then taking it to Altai.

On November 10, severe frost began, the Irtysh became clear and crossing it became possible. The White command decided to hastily complete the evacuation, destroy all military supplies in Omsk and withdraw the armies to the east; gather reserves on the Tatarsk line or on the Tomsk-Novonikolaevsk line in order to give a new battle there with all forces, including Pepelyaev’s 1st Army, previously withdrawn to the rear.

On November 13, five trains leaving Omsk formed the personal headquarters of the Supreme Ruler Admiral Kolchak, one of them with a gold reserve. Appointed commander-in-chief on November 4, K.V. Sakharov and his headquarters left Omsk for the east on November 14.

On the night of November 13-14, 1919, the 242nd Volga Rifle Regiment of the Red Army secretly crossed over the ice to the eastern bank of the Irtysh, the Red Army soldiers occupied the Omsk station and station buildings without firing a single shot, and by the morning they had disarmed 7 thousand white soldiers and officers who were in the trains. . On the morning of November 14, they captured the White Guard general Rimsky-Korsakov, who arrived at his place of duty.

The capture of Omsk was so unexpected that Kolchak’s institutions were captured during normal operation.
Soviet troops approached Omsk almost without resistance and occupied the city on November 15 without a fight. The 2nd and 3rd White armies retreated to Novonikolaevsk and Tomsk.
Thanks to the successful operation, the Red Army troops occupied grain-rich regions of Siberia and were given the opportunity to further advance against Kolchak’s troops.

From that moment on, Soviet power was firmly established in Omsk. The 27th Rifle Division of the Red Army was marked with the revolutionary Red Banner and received the honorary name of Omsk. Thousands of soldiers and commanders of the Red Army distinguished themselves in the battles for our city. According to research, there were more than 75 thousand victims of Kolchak’s rule in Siberia.

The remains of 120 Red Army soldiers, imprisoned in the Kolchak prison and executed the day before the admiral’s escape from Omsk, are buried in the Revolution Fighters Square.

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At the present time, the Trans-Baikal Military Prosecutor's Office and the Trans-Baikal Military District Court, as is known, refused to recognize the admiral as a victim of political repression.

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Last November 7 Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev
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November 10, 7:54

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Last November 7 Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev. Three days later he died and the Brezhnev era ended.
Then it will be remembered with great nostalgia, as the most peaceful time in the history of the country.

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CLARA WEISS: AN INTERVIEW WITH ECONOMIC HISTORIAN STEPHEN WHEATCROFT ON THE SOVIET FAMINE AND HISTORICAL FALSIFICATION
NOVEMBER 13, 2023 4 COMMENTS
By Clara Weiss, World Socialist Website, 7/9/23

The World Socialist Web Site recently spoke with Stephen Wheatcroft, professorial fellow of Russian and Soviet history at the University of Melbourne, Australia. Wheatcroft is one of the world’s leading experts on the Soviet famine and Soviet economic history more broadly. He has done extensive archival research in the former Soviet Union, and, together with the late Robert W. Davies, he co-authored a seven-volume account of Soviet industrialization. Wheatcroft also co-edited multiple documentary volumes on Soviet agriculture, 1927-1939, and authored multiple articles on the famine, industrialization and other aspects of Soviet history. He has also written on the role of statistics in Vladimir Lenin’s economic thinking and writing and the devastating impact of Stalinism on Soviet statistics.

Based on statistics and reports that became available in the aftermath of the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Wheatcroft and Davies provided a comprehensive account of forced collectivization and the famine in the Soviet Union in 1932-1933 in their 2004 volume The Years of Hunger. Their account, unparalleled to this day, is an unanswerable refutation of the now widely promoted lie that the famine constituted an ethnically targeted genocide of Ukrainians or Kazakhs or other specific peoples of the USSR.


Stephen Wheatcroft [Photo]
The WSWS established contact with Stephen Wheatcroft over our review of Timothy Snyder’s Bloodlands. While legitimizing the Ukrainian far-right distortions of the history of the famine and Soviet history more broadly, Snyder in his book falsely claims to rely on Wheatcroft’s and Davies’ work on the famine. In discussion with the WSWS, Wheatcroft spoke about his findings on the famine, the history of the false claim that the famine constituted an ethnically targeted genocide, the attacks on the concept of objectivity in history, and the current climate in academia. The interview has been edited for length and clarity.

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Clara Weiss: The Soviet famine and its impact in Ukraine is one of the most complicated and politically loaded subjects of Soviet history. Can you describe how the scholarship on the Soviet famine has developed over the past decades? How would you summarize the key findings of your own research?

Stephen Wheatcroft: The question of responsibility for the famine in Ukraine is very important, especially at this difficult time when very incendiary claims are being made. During the first Cold War, I thought it important to try to maintain a sense of realism when looking at the Gulag. The reality of the Gulag was abhorrent in itself. To exaggerate its size by a factor of more than four or five, as did those who claimed that there were 8-12 million people in the Gulag on the eve of World War II, diminished the impact of the Gulag by making it less real. The exaggerated scale fitted in with the idea that repression was the totality of what the Soviet Union was about. I hope that I played a role in undermining the totalitarian view of Soviet politics and in establishing a more realistic understanding of the scale and nature of repression and politics in the Soviet Union.

In the 1970s, as a student, I was able to spend two years studying in Moscow on a British Council Exchange at the Moscow Institute of National Economics: The Plekhanov Institute, and it had a profound effect on my outlook and understanding of Soviet society. I got to know and understand many leading Soviet historians, especially Viktor Danilov. Such exchanges are no longer possible, and the possibilities of us improving our understanding of different cultures is made more difficult.

The opening of the Soviet archives in the 1990s was a great breakthrough in our understanding of Soviet history. There was a brief period when Robert Conquest and other Cold War warriors and enthusiasts for totalitarianism claimed that the materials emerging from the archives about the scale of repression that challenged their views were all fakes, but eventually they were forced to accept that the data emerging from the archives were real, although they still managed to avoid admitting that their previous estimates of the scale of repression were wrong.

When working on our book on the Soviet famine and food problems of 1931-33, R.W. Davies and I were able to use the state and party archives (up to the party Central Committee level). And even though we could not directly access the Politburo and State Security archives, our work with Viktor Danilov and his group gave us some access to these materials also. We thought that our book [Wheatcroft/Davies, The Years of Hunger, 2004] had resolved many of the earlier disputes over the nature and causation of the famine. We concluded our volume by distinguishing our views from those of Robert Conquest. Conquest, we wrote, had claimed “that Stalin ‘wanted a famine,’ that ‘the Soviets did not want the famine to be coped with successfully,’ and that the Ukrainian famine was ‘deliberately inflicted for its own sake.’ This leads him to the sweeping conclusion: ‘The main lesson seems to be that the Communist ideology provided the motivation for an unprecedented massacre of men, women and children.’” [The Years of Hunger, p. 441.]


Cover: The Years of Hunger
We concluded:

We do not absolve Stalin from responsibility for the famine. His policies towards the peasants were ruthless and brutal. But the story which has emerged in this book is of a Soviet leadership which was struggling with a famine crisis which had been caused partly by their wrongheaded policies, but was unexpected and undesirable. The background to the famine is not simply that Soviet agricultural policies were derived from Bolshevik ideology, though ideology played its part. They were also shaped by the Russian pre-revolutionary past, the experiences of the civil war, the international situation, the intransigent circumstances of geography and the weather, and the modus operandi of the Soviet system as it was established under Stalin. They were formulated by men with little formal education and limited knowledge of agriculture. Above all, they were a consequence of the decision to industrialise the peasant country at breakneck speed. [The Years of Hunger, p. 441]

One of the reasons why we felt so confident that the situation had changed and that the views of those like Conquest who had earlier argued that the famine had been caused by Stalin on purpose were no longer tenable was because we had the rare experience of hearing from our main opponent that he had changed his mind. Conquest had been sent a pre-publication copy of our book to review, and to our amazement he wrote to us saying that he would give us a good review, provided that we corrected one thing in our conclusions. He asked us to publicly state that it is not his opinion “that Stalin purposely inflicted the 1933 famine. No. What I [Conquest] argue is that with resulting famine imminent, he could have prevented it, but put ‘Soviet interest’ other than feeding the starving first—thus consciously abetting it.” We were delighted to comply with Conquest’s wishes and added his statement above to our footnote 145, and duly received Conquest’s blurb: “‘A truly remarkable contribution to research into this important field.’ Robert Conquest, Hoover Institution.”


Robert Conquest [Photo by Rob C. Croes (ANEFO), CC0, via Wikimedia Commons / CC BY 4.0]
At this point we really thought that we were emerging from the Cold War historical distortions. If Conquest himself now denied that the famine was caused on purpose, how could anyone continue that argument?

Little did we know. In Ukraine, James Mace, my old friend Stanislav Kul’chitskii and the Ukrainian Parliamentary Commission would continue to claim that the famine was not only caused on purpose, but was a genocide. They would later be joined by Timothy Snyder (2011) and Anne Applebaum (2017). Surprisingly, they all cited Conquest as one of the major authorities to justify this claim. I have tried to object to the false references to Conquest and to the swell of popularity that these claims have had, but they have continued and now the war in Ukraine has added to the public pressure to accept the incorrect and simplified view that Russia has always harboured genocidal views against Ukrainians. The genocide thesis certainly had a boost with increasing anti-Russian attitudes, and now the war has super-charged the boost.

CW: Can you speak on the historical origins of the claim that the famine that occurred in the Soviet Union in 1932-1933 was an ethnically targeted genocide and explain how the statistics that became available after 1991 helped to conclusively refute such claims?

SW: “Genocide” has all kinds of definitional problems. It is much easier to speak of purposive killings of large groups of people, selected for ethnic or other reasons.

Let us recall that we started from a position where the Soviets were totally denying that there was a famine at all. At that point, it was a question of was there a famine or was there not a famine. That soon then became a question of whether the famine was “man made”—but when they spoke of a “man-made” famine at that time, they meant was it a consequence of policy or was it a “natural famine” as a result of the weather. Within Ukrainian nationalist circles, and earlier under the Nazis, there probably had been claims of all sorts of things, but within academic circles the idea of purposive killing was not considered seriously.


Victims of the famine in Kharkov (Kharkiv) in 1933 (Public domain)
Once the statistics became available [in the 1980s], and it became clear that there was a famine, no one was really denying that there was a famine and that it was largely the result of policy. That is when the debates about “purposive killing” began. In the United States, it was James Mace who was the first promulgator of that. I played some role at the time in criticizing him. The other one I remember quite distinctly is the Ukrainian historian Stanislav Kul’chitsky, who I have known for years. Kul’chitsky was the first Ukrainian historian I know who very distinctly wanted to talk about genocide, but at the same time he was opposing Robert Conquest’s figures on the scale of the deaths. We were planning to write an article together with Sergei Maksudov [Harvard University] on this until I pulled out once I realized that he was determined to use the word “genocide” to describe the famine.

Historians like Andrea Graziosi, who also uses the word “genocide,” emphasize the importance of punitive measures like the “black-boarding” of groups who failed to fulfill their plans of central grain procurement. But as I’ve pointed out, once data became available at the rayon [regional] level, and we could map fairly accurately where the famine was occurring, it was clear that the famine was not located in the major grain procurement regions. [In Soviet Ukraine] it was in the Kiev oblast, which is not a major grain procurement area and did not have many “black boards.”

That’s why I’ve offered the following hypothesis: something that does fit the facts, both the chronology and the geography showing why the famine was particularly serious in Kiev oblast. This was because Ukrainian failure to fulfill the grain collection plan resulted in reduced allocations of grain to the major Ukrainian city of Kiev.

Kiev city did not have much of its urban population on central rations. Only two factories had category one rations. Most of the population of this enormous city were not supplied by central grain supplies. It was consequently up to local agencies working within the confines of Kiev oblast, using decentralized collections after the ending of centralized grain collections, to provide the grain to feed the population of the city of Kiev. That is why there were such severe procurements carried out in Kiev oblast. As far as I can see, they were not centralized collections that were collected to ship out for Moscow. These were local agents collecting grain to feed Kiev city. Of course, Kiev city needed feeding because there was no grain from the rest of the country.

This does not lessen the seriousness of the situation, but it makes it far more difficult to argue that it was done on purpose. We are talking about complex processes that have consequences that people do not necessarily understand. But they [both central and local agencies] were determined to push ahead whatever the consequences. There was a ruthless lack of consideration. I still see it as criminal, but it is not purposeful or intentional murder or genocide. Historians can only continue to call it a genocide by refusing to unpack what is meant by genocide, and by ignoring the chronology and geography of where the most intense famine occurred.

There’s some confusion about the use of the term “Holodomor.” Holodomor literally just means “Hunger to the extent of death.” I am not in principle opposed to the word. Language develops over time when there is a need for greater precision. The Slavic languages are rather strange in having a relatively narrow spectrum of words indicating different degrees of hunger, in comparison with English or German. If it’s just used as a term for famine, there’s nothing particularly wrong with that. But extending that to a completely different phenomenon with this great national and spiritual significance is another matter. It sounds similar to the Holocaust, bizarrely.

CW: That’s not bizarre, it was intended. The reason why the Ukrainian nationalists pushed the term “Holodomor” in the 1980s was the rise of Holocaust research and the exposures in the 1980s of the role of Ukrainian nationalists in the genocide of the Jews. They were trying to equate the famine with the genocide of European Jewry.

SW: Yes, that is perfectly clear. That is also why [some Ukrainian nationalists and James Mace] insisted that the number of victims of the famine in Ukraine was 7 million, more than the 6 million [who died in the Holocaust]. These are parts of the origins.

CW: Timothy Snyder and Anne Applebaum effectively adopt the Ukrainian nationalist narrative of an ethnically targeted genocide in their works. Now these “narratives,” although disproven by your own work and that of other historians, are taught in schools. The German government has even banned denial that the famine was a “genocide.” The Ukrainian far-right routinely attacks and denounces those who insist on the historical truth about the famine. What, in your assessment, are the implications of this development for historical scholarship and historical knowledge?

SW: It’s not new. I think this is a second Cold War. The equivalent to Snyder and Applebaum for earlier generations was a figure like Robert Conquest. But during the first Cold War, Conquest was always more on the fringes of academe apart from the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. But there were many academics even at Stanford University arguing against the Hoover Institution, [opposing] that such a brazenly political, non-scientifically oriented organization should have a position within the university.

That there are Cold War ideologues who are writing histories that are extraordinarily popular is not new. What is new is the collapse of the academic discipline of history in the face of that. The Hoover Institution’s position within academia—even within Stanford—is a symbol of what’s now happening across the entire discipline. I remember the surprise during perestroika when Gorbachev, during his first visit to America, insisted that he should go and visit not a decent academic institute but, actually, Hoover Institution. That seemed to give it a kind of boost.

Having lived through the first Cold War, when I had many academic debates with Robert Conquest, in some regards the situation is very different. There has been a shift in the historical profession which has made people less interested in trying to understand what really happened, because that is talking in old fashioned objectivity terms and one doesn’t do that.

The profession is now more interested in what it “felt like.” What it “felt like” to be a victim, what it “felt like” to be the grandmother or mother who lost her children, or siblings in the famine, etc. I do not want to diminish their personal losses and tragedy, but I do think we’ve lost something. Maybe I’m an old fashioned economic historian who is still thinking in terms of trying to be objective. I’m finding that I’m in a very minority position within much of the discipline.

CW: What you describe is very much bound up with the dominance of postmodernism—the concept that there is no objective truth. Of course, one cannot fully reflect the objective truth as a historian, but one can approach it and must seek to study it as a historian. Instead, everything is reduced to opinions, feelings, how people see the world, and not, as you said, what actually happened.

This goes beyond the field of history, in fact, but it has perhaps the most damaging impact in history. This also legitimizes people like Snyder simply changing their position from one day to the other without even offering anything approximating an explanation. Timothy Snyder was once asked in Berlin why he no longer mentioned the Ukrainian fascist leader Bandera in Bloodlands,even though he wrote an entire book about the crimes of the Ukrainian far-right earlier. He responded, “In one’s life, one writes many books.” This may be something a fiction writer can say, but not a historian. If you change your assessment as a historian, which may at times be necessary, you have to provide documentary evidence and justification.

SW: Yes, in Conquest’s times, it was clear that he had been employed by the British government in a position which was concerned effectively with producing anti-Soviet propaganda. What we’ve got with Applebaum and Snyder is more a “journalistic” approach of trying to find things that will respond to various audiences. It would, in fact, be difficult to treat Applebaum as a real historian. She was just a journalist who at a certain point decided to write for a different audience. By contrast, with Snyder’s earlier writings, you can see that he was a historian, although he’s moved towards a more populist approach.

CW: I’d like to come back to the question of what that means for the historical profession and the intellectual climate. The Ukrainian far-right, as I’m sure you are aware, is exerting immense pressure in academia. There are funding issues involved, but it’s more than that. You will have also heard that, in a parallel development, Polish historians of the Holocaust are now routinely attacked by the far-right.

SW: Yes, and the Stephen Cohen affair in the US—that was absolutely monstrous, the way in which the American Slavic profession responded to him just because he advocated friendlier ties with Russia. It’s perhaps one of the biggest examples of how things have gone completely off the rails.

[Stephen Cohen was a professor of politics at New York University and well-known public intellectual. A biographer and admirer of Nikolai Bukharin, he opposed the anti-Russia witch-hunt in the US media, exposing some of its most glaring contradictions and lies, and warned of a war against Russia.]

CW: He was persona non grata by the end of his life.

SW: It’s odd. I suffered quite a bit back in the 1970s and 1980s by debating Conquest—it got pretty robust at various times, but it’s gotten a thousand times worse since then. I’d very much like to find a way in which we could discuss things without getting out of control.

CW: What, in your view, is the way forward for the writing of Soviet and Russian history?

SW: It’s very important to treat Russian history like other histories. Unfortunately, now, totalitarianism theories are making a comeback and we have crude, ethnically oriented tropes.

A removal of that Russian and Soviet exceptionalism would be a good thing. Soviet and Russian history should be integrated more with the history of Germany, Sweden and other countries. If we’re going to have a spread of genocidal theories starting in Ukraine, moving to Kazakhstan and other places, we’re not getting into the objectifying, normalizing study of the country on a scientific basis.

Last week I was in Sweden and Finland, where I was talking with local historians about the 1860s harvest failures in the Baltic area, trying to fit parts of the Russian Empire that were affected into that history. It is important to treat them as countries having similar problems to neighbouring countries regarding the impact of weather, the politics of relief measures and the ensuing demographic and epidemiological consequences. I would like to extend such work into the 20th century, comparing Russian and Soviet food problems in World War I and World War II with those in other countries, and comparing Soviet and Chinese food problems in the early stages of their forced industrialization, and I have already done some work on these. [1]

CW: Thank you very much. I appreciate that you took the time to do this interview. I think it is important for historians like you to speak up and contribute to a change in the cultural and intellectual climate that is so urgently necessary.

SW: I’d like to thank you. I am very sympathetic to your views and the way you have been checking references that have often been wrongly applied. Perhaps I’ve been getting a bit lazy in my old days, thinking that I fought my battles earlier on and that there’s no need to keep on fighting them, but maybe one ought to keep going.

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Well, not bad but not real good either as it continues the demonization of Stalin though absolving him of a few of his 'sins'. Yet I continue to hear these brainless cretins on NPR spewing all this ;Holomoder' rubbish. Splitting the difference with the Trots at WSWS......
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Post by blindpig » Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:26 pm

Neural network visualization of the USSR anthem



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Call me sentimental.....

(It's good to have ideals but not to be an idealist.)

The last participant in the Battle of Stalingrad died
November 16, 8:28

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On November 16, in Sukhumi, at the age of 102, the only surviving woman who took part in the Battle of Stalingrad died - Valentina Shulgina lived to see the 75th anniversary of the turning point battle.

The last veterans are leaving. By the 30s of the 21st century, there will no longer be living witnesses of the Great Patriotic War. And then we will only have documents, chronicles, recorded memories and a huge cultural layer associated with that war. In the 90s and later, they tried to destroy this memory and take it away from us. As it was correctly noted, “The Great Patriotic War for a long time remained a lonely obelisk in the desert of unconsciousness,” being the main bond in our country, far ahead of abstract patriotism, religion or anything else. Every May 9, every “Immortal Regiment” (taken away from the liberals) was living evidence of this.

The more valuable is the memory of that war and the more important is it to achieve success in the current war, so as not to disgrace our ancestors who defeated Nazism then. Our task is to conform so that we don’t feel ashamed in front of them. And this is also a war for memory, since we see that our enemy, the main enemy who is hiding behind the Ukrainian or Baltic Nazis, is waging a consistent war against the memory of the Great Patriotic War, rewriting history, destroying monuments and desecrating graves. This is another front in the ongoing war, which goes beyond the war in Ukraine. And also in memory of our heroes of the Great Patriotic War, we must win it.

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Post by blindpig » Sun Nov 19, 2023 6:09 pm

“If he is found drunk, he will be shot.”
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“If he is seen drunk, he will be shot.”

​​A little about the horrors of the Red Terror in Karelia.

I recently wrote about Soviet Police Day, and then I remembered an old post about our Olonets security officers. So, the minutes of the meeting of the Olonets provincial Cheka from May 1919, when the White Finns stood not far from Petrozavodsk.

HEARD: About comrade. Shumilov, who was repeatedly seen drunk.

DECIDED: For the first time, appoint Comrade. Shumilov in appearance. For the future, warn all employees of Gubchek that if any of them are found drunk, they will be shot.


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A copy of this document was given to me by one of the local historians. The image is not of very good quality and initially there was no confidence that it was not a fake. Although the names of security officers Luzgin and Terukov are indeed present in historical documents. However, last year a seminar “The Civil War in Karelia: on the centenary of its end” was held at Petrozavodsk University. In particular, the historian of the special services, Konstantin Belousov, gave a report on the judicial and emergency authorities of Karelia. I asked him about this document, which had been going around for a long time. And he confirmed that Comrade. Shumilov really existed!

Moreover, he remained alive, apparently heeding the warning. Otherwise he could have become the twentieth victim of the “Red Terror”.

Why twentieth? But because, according to reports for 1918 - 1919, throughout the Olonets province, the local Cheka shot 19 enemies of Soviet power. At the same time, in Petrozavodsk itself it was even softer. There is a book by local historian Valery Verkhoglyadov “Northern Trefoil”. The author, as a typical journalist of the organ of the Karelian regional committee of the Komsomol of the perestroika era, naturally could not do without cliched accusations and comparisons of the Bolsheviks with... Basayev. But he described local realities very objectively:

So, in 1918, several dozen people from the “former” were arrested in Petrozavodsk. After two months, everyone was released. The following year, when the White Finns reached almost the outskirts of Petrozavodsk, the same situation repeated itself. Again, several dozen former officials, merchants and other similar people were detained. They were not shot or drowned on a barge in the cold waters of Onego. Moreover, they were not even flogged, as noble gentlemen often did to Russian peasants! (For which many descendants of these flogged peasants love to talk in the comments about how well they would have lived if the whites had won).

Local historian Verkhoglyadov described how the detainees bombarded the local council with their complaints about injustice. And after the White Finnish detachments were driven away from Petrozavodsk, all those arrested were released. That's all. I repeat, it was not so humane everywhere, but that’s how it was here.

Despite the fact that during the same time, Russian White Guards and especially White Finnish formations killed hundreds of supporters of Soviet power. For example,in a couple of months of 1919, the White Finns and Karelians, who fought on their side, shot 286 communists, members of their families and simply peasants who sympathized with Soviet power in the Olonets district alone.

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Post by blindpig » Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:52 pm

Review of the brochure “Reasons for the restoration of capitalism in the USSR”
No. 11/87.XI.2023

Anatoly Redin’s brochure “ Reasons for the restoration of capitalism in the USSR ” was published on March 14, 2018 in the newspaper “Proryvist”. It was based on an article by V.A. Podguzov “ Methodology for studying the causes of the restoration of capitalism in the USSR ”, which also reveals how the diamatic method of thinking helps to correctly determine the CAUSE of anything at all.

Unfortunately, for the overwhelming majority of the Russian left, blinded by actionism, economism, and parliamentarism, especially those who found themselves in a liberal camp with the beginning of the Northern Military District, things are sad with materialist dialectics (diamatics). That is why their attempts to determine the causes of the counter-revolution in the USSR are nothing more than a listing of certain decisions of the post-Stalin CPSU. Incredibly, the left, seemingly setting themselves ambitious tasks for a radical restructuring of social relations, do not understand that the mistakes of high-ranking party members also had their reasons. It is these reasons, and not the mistakes themselves, that are the reasons for the restoration of capitalism in the USSR!

In other words, if the cause of the Great October Revolution was Bolshevism, which, in the conditions of the maturation of the objective factor of the revolution, managed to gather, unite, prepare and inspire the proletariat to overthrow the Provisional Government, and to add to the objective subjective factor - the militant communist party of the Lenin-Stalin model - then it would be logical to assume that the cause of the counter-revolution was the non-Bolshevism of the top of the CPSU. Or more precisely: the anti-communism of hypocrites and double-dealers like Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevardnadze, Yeltsin, Shushkevich, Kravchuk, Sobchak, etc.

The first part of the brochure examines the methodology that guided the author during the research process. From it we can learn that any cause is in unity and struggle with its opposite and follows from a number of factors leading to it. Tracing the process of the struggle of opposites, establishing their consequences, considering the question of what is a fact and what is a factor, Redin emphasizes the inability of the left to correctly understand the categories of subjective and objective, and therefore determining the cause of the collapse of the USSR, including as a result of the incapacity of communism/planning economy in general. This brings us to the second part of the brochure, which examines popular versions of the reasons for the restoration of capitalism in the USSR: the evils of the Stalinist Constitution, the class degeneration of the party bureaucracy, Kosygin’s reforms, the sale of MTS to collective farms, and even the version that after the death of I.V. Stalin, the USSR became a capitalist country...

All of the above are not reasons or even factors for counter-revolution, but popular facts that are used to explain what a typical leftist, unfortunately, does not yet understand. The reason for this state of affairs is the lack of diamatic thinking in the heads of such “researchers.”

The third part examines the very reason for the collapse of the world's first state of workers and peasants. Redin clearly points out that none of the General Secretaries of the CPSU after I.V. Stalin did not fully master Marxism. Thus, the opportunistic degeneration of the party leadership is the reason for the collapse of the USSR. Revealing the roots of opportunism, which none of the leftists point out to this day, the author points out what lessons can be learned from all this and how to prevent a repetition of a similar scenario in the future; How should the party be organized so that any attempt to generate or penetrate the bacilli of opportunism into it is immediately stopped. There is an answer to these questions: the future organization of communists must be built on the principles of scientific centralism , since democratic centralism has shown complete failure in the matter of informal party building. But only mastering the diamatic method of thinking, the philosophy of Marxism; following a course of active self-education and self-education will allow the fighter for progress to eliminate in himself the animal atavisms that are daily reproduced by the capitalist system.

“Identifying the reasons for the restoration of capitalism in the USSR allows us to develop a Marxist program that takes into account this negative experience in order, firstly, to protect the communist revolution from such defeats, secondly, to correct the theory of building communism as a whole, thirdly, to rehabilitate communists before the masses and thereby starting the formation of a new type of party. The last question is the subject of the theory of scientific centralism,” Redin.

It would not be an exaggeration to say that A. Redin’s pamphlet is a fundamental work that provides answers to a whole range of key questions in the development of the subjective factor of the revolution, which, since the destruction of the USSR, have not been revealed by anyone on the left.

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In conclusion, a little about how the work of the editor-in-chief of the Proryvist newspaper helped me personally.

Firstly, it contains an important part of the consideration of diamatic categories - basic concepts that reveal the essential, main features and processes of development of being. She made me delve into categories such as quantity-quality, subjective-objective, etc.

Secondly, a correct understanding of the causes of the counter-revolution in the USSR is an excellent help in propaganda activities. The brochure provides real assistance as a reference book of necessary knowledge for future work to cleanse the Stalinist period of the history of the USSR from anti-communist myths, as well as in pressing issues of updating Marxism.

Thirdly, the brochure inspires you to study the dynamics of your own personality. Having before our eyes examples of the stupid and treacherous behavior of most of the senior party members of the CPSU, there arises a desire to truly educate ourselves - without giving ourselves any concessions in the difficult task of studying Marxism. Because the future core of the Party of Scientific Centralism should be made up of well-trained Marxists who have mastered diamatics and are building themselves in accordance with the personality standards of the coming communist society. A society where the truth will be determined not through debate or voting, but exclusively through scientific search.

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Post by blindpig » Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:20 pm

Everyday life of the Finnish democratic Gulag
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Everyday life of the Finnish democratic Gulag

We have little knowledge of the history of the neighboring country, for example, about the genocide of the Red Finns in 1918. Even less about the repressions that befell the communist opposition before 1941. It is believed that at this time the Finnish people were united as never before and the Finns did not even persecute their own Jews, so there were field synagogues in the Finnish army. Yes, they really were, my material is about this in the link - ABOUT THE FINNISH SYNAGOGUE ON SVIRI.

A very long time ago, in 1959, the USSR published the book “It Happened in Finland,” which tells about repressions against its own citizens and about Finnish concentration camps for Finns in Karelia during the war. The author is communist Nestori Parkkari, one of the many “unreliable” Finnish citizens arrested in 1940-41 without any trial and sent to prisons, concentration camps and labor battalions. Quote:

“After all, in our country during the war, in addition to military courts, there were two types of courts that had the right to put people in prison, one was ordinary courts, and the other was the state police. She has the discretion to send people she deems suspicious to prison. This is the third year that men and women have been in custody, many of whom do not know why they were imprisoned... The state police seem to believe that if, for example, a man is sentenced to prison, then his wife and sister should be taken into custody.” .

Their destinies were different. They decided to send some to the front against the Soviet Union. Thus, the 21st separate infantry battalion was formed, which received the name “Pärmi detachment”, since huntsman-lieutenant colonel Nikolai Pärmi was appointed its commander. But nothing good came of this military unit. When the Finnish penal battalion arrived at the front, the communists began to go over to the side of the Red Army en masse. During the first week of being on the front line, 80 such cases were recorded!

Based on data received from Finnish defectors, Soviet intelligence officers made a separate leaflet:

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As a result, the Finnish command decided to send all the political ones back to prison, leaving only criminals in the battalion.

Other prisoners, those who in principle refused to take up arms, were first sent to the Karelian Isthmus to a labor battalion. Nestori Parkkari talks about the beginning of his journey:

“We looked in surprise at the barefoot guard standing in front of us. With a sad expression on his face, he showed off the rifle hanging from a belt on his shoulder, boots in his left hand and trousers torn at the buttocks. After walking a few meters, the soldier turned to us and asked: “Guys, do you have anything to drink?” We said we came straight from prison, so we didn't have any booze or anything. The answer was a sincere sigh: “Damn it, we can’t do without this devil!”

Another case: from the “labor penal battalion” they are sent to clear a mined area in no man’s land with sticks alone. Moreover, the Finnish sappers themselves mined it, who then simply lost the scheme. Fortunately for the penal prisoners, before the mission, a simple lieutenant refused to send them to clear mines. They say that the next day they will bring the Russian prisoners, it is better to send them, because almost no one returned alive from such a mission.

Or here are some interesting details about the construction of Finnish fortifications on the Karelian Isthmus: “In front of the local authorities and with their participation, they almost openly stole cement, nails, electrical wiring... all this was sent home or sold right there on the spot. One could only wonder how the government was able to pump such a mass of building materials out of the people.”

Nestori Parkkari also describes the army secret police or special departments in the Finnish army that monitored all military personnel, so that any dubious conversation entailed unpleasant consequences.

Next, the most unreliable of the oppositionists were sent to a real concentration camp on the territory of Karelia - first to Syamozero, then to Kovera (Olonets region). Nestori Parkkari about the living conditions there:

“On the morning of May Day 1942, before going to work, the comrades held a very short celebration, at which one said a few words about May Day, and the others showed a short program. For several days, a festive May Day dinner was prepared, for which 212 frogs, 6 snakes, 2 muskrats were caught, as well as potato peelings from the guards’ cesspool. It was the most festive soup of all time.”

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More from the life of the Finnish democratic Gulag: “This happened to William Altinen, who suffered for a long time from a stomach illness without receiving any treatment... Before he was taken to the prison hospital in Pälksaari, he was placed in prison to await transport. Unsurprisingly, the patient died upon arrival in Pälksaari. Our fellow prisoners Urho Kulju, Lauri Boehm, Toivo Arola, Vilho Pirta, Ernst Saikkonen and many others died in the same way.”

And here is a quote about the fact that Finland has always waged only a “defensive war” into which it was “dragged.” Finnish oppositionists worked at the logging site: “The Karelian forest was of excellent quality. It is not surprising, therefore, that Finnish timber merchants have long coveted it. At the very beginning of the war, even before the Finnish troops crossed the Soviet border (!!!), several timber companies were already organized in the country.”

Finnish capitalists knew better than modern Russian Mannerheimophiles about what a “defensive” war this was.

As Nestori Parkkari noted, his book “is not a complete description of our path and does not seek to describe in detail the events and times associated with our destinies. These are just glimpses of my own experience and the experience of my peers... I tried to select only the most typical cases of our time, both from the side of light and from the side of shadow. I hope that my story will shed some light on what happened for those who have not heard much about it until now. Perhaps in this way I can also contribute to a broader and more thorough description of what cannot and should not be forgotten.”

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This book can be found and downloaded on the Internet. I will also note that in Soviet times, already in the 80s, in the Olonets region of Karelia, near Kovera, on the site of a concentration camp, a memorial sign was erected to the Finnish anti-fascists who died there. In the 90s it was simply stolen. It would be good to remember these courageous people who refused to fight with us and also became victims of political repression.

(c) A. Stepanoov

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Post by blindpig » Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:58 pm

Tireless propagandist
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Agitator-businessman. Who was the first to come up with the idea of ​​making money from Lenin?

I think everyone remembers the joke about how the partisans instructed old Iza to distribute leaflets in the fascist rear.
So, the Bolsheviks had the same one.

Meet Yakov Efimovich Bograd.
In 1913, the Menshevik Bograd was arrested for revolutionary agitation and sent into exile in the Turukhansk region. In exile, Bograd became a Bolshevik - there were no Mensheviks there, and I didn’t want to be a black sheep.

Comrades in exile immediately noted Yakov Efimovich’s oratorical talent - he began to travel a lot to the surrounding villages and give lectures to the exiles about the current moment.
The February Revolution freed everyone and a decent number of members of the RSDLP flocked to Krasnoyarsk. There wasn’t much money, but it was necessary to carry out party work. They decided to entrust all the propaganda work in the industrial regions of Western Siberia to Bograd alone - it’s expensive to travel in crowds. They scraped together enough money for him to buy a ticket and sent him to perform at the Kemerovo Chemical Plant. It was at the end of April 1917.

During the time spent in Krasnoyarsk and on the way, Comrade Bograd looked around, “sniffed” and clearly grasped the public’s request. He wrote down the notes of the lecture “Who is Lenin?” And I read it to the workers for money.
He himself also drew a poster, where he indicated: “The entrance fee is 30 kopecks, for soldiers - 15 kopecks.” The lecture was a great success. Because everyone was interested in who Lenin was, and Yakov Efimovich, as we have already noted, was a talented speaker.

Sensing the demand, Yakov Efimovich went to the printing house and ordered a real poster. The audience poured in. The tour to Kemerovo lasted a week. Having exhausted the city, Comrade Bograd went to hill up the villages. I visited the Taiga and Topki stations, collected money from the miners of the Anzhero-Sudzhensky and Kolchuginsky mines. He arrived in Tomsk in a separate compartment and announced the lecture through newspapers. After working in Tomsk, he went to give a lecture in Achinsk.

In Achinsk, his party comrades caught up with him and asked very serious questions. In response, Yakov Efimovich laid out and transferred to the party cash desk 689 rubles 95 kopecks received over the last week. His comrades accepted the money and gave him a receipt signed by the cashier of the Bureau, Comrade Pekazh.
And our hero went on to lecture on the topic of the day. And in the same places. In August he was already traveling around giving a lecture on “The July Events in Petrograd and the Tasks of the Working Class.” Lectures attract audiences of 300-400 people, newspapers write about Bograd (Tomsk provincial newspaper "Banner of the Revolution of September 2, 1917, No. 77, for example). In September, Comrade Bograd finalized his first lecture and made it his absolute hit. Now it has become called “Who is Lenin and why are he being persecuted by the bourgeois parties?”
There was also a lecture “The International and the European War,” but it was not in great demand.

Bograd became a local celebrity. Who hasn't he performed for? In 1918, he read his “Lenin” in front of the White Czechs and the French military. Nobody touched him; on the contrary, they continued to pay money.
But in April 1919, Kolchak noticed the talented lecturer, ordered him to be imprisoned, and then completely shot.

In 1967, Bograd was remembered at the party conference of the Kemerovo region and was entrusted with the head of the archive of the Kemerovo regional committee of the CPSU, Comrade A.S. Mazyukov to write a note about him. Which is what he did in the magazine “Soviet Archives” number 4 for 1967. He called her "The Tireless Propagandist."

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Why Ukrainian Nazis hate Shchors
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In Kyiv today the monument to Shchors was demolished.
Below is one of the reasons for the hatred of Shchors on the part of the Ukrainian Nazis.

ANSWER TO PAN HETMAN PETLURA FROM SHCHORS BOZHENKO AND OTHER COMMANDERS

We, Tarashchanians, Bohuntsy and other Ukrainians, Cossacks, Red Army soldiers, received your obscene appeal.
Like the Cossacks of old to the Sultan, so we answer you.

We had Hetman Skoropadsky, sitting on German bayonets. He died, damn it.
But then a new hetman showed up - Petliura.

He sold his homeland, his mother, he sold the poor people.

Tell me, Judas, how many pennies did you sell Ukraine for?

How much do you pay your hirelings to stir up the villagers with the tongue of a dog, to raise them against the power of the working poor?

Tell me, Judas, tell me, traitor, just know, don’t panam any more in Ukraine.

We - her sons, poor workers - will lay down our heads, and we will defend her, so that rye will bloom in freedom on her free land and be harvested by the free villagers for their own benefit, and not by the greedy robbers, bloodsuckers - kulaks and landowners.

Yes, we are brothers of the Russian workers and peasantry, like brothers to everyone who fights for the liberation of the working people.
I won't wear your pants until this summer.
We already crushed your sides under Korosten, Berdychev, Proskurov. Your allies have already left Odessa.
Free Hungary stretches out fraternal hands to us, and the hands of the robbed peasants of Poland and Galicia reach out to your throat,

Judas!
Get out of the loop, you damned one! Choke, dog!

In the name of the Cossack peasants of Ukraine, army commanders Shchors, Bozhenko and others,
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Post by blindpig » Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:54 pm

Was the entry of Soviet troops into Afghanistan a mistake?
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Was the entry of Soviet troops into Afghanistan a mistake?

Here one historian (not the worst) said that since the population of Afghanistan reacted coolly to Marxist ideas, the introduction of troops was a mistake - they say, the Kremlin sages overestimated the possibility of a revolution in Afghanistan.

The following can be objected to this. By the 70s, the USSR had quite a lot of experience working with feudal-tribal remnants. They were fought quite successfully within the country, in addition to the Central Asian and Caucasian experience, there was the Mongolian experience, the experience of China and Vietnam, the USSR worked a lot in Africa in conditions of generally unbridled tribalism and did not consider all this a serious obstacle under a number of conditions:

- maintaining political power in the hands pro-Soviet party;

- repression of active feudal leaders;

- purchase or agreements with tribal leaders and religious organizations;

- active industrialization;

- land redistribution in favor of the bulk of the peasantry (at the expense of repressed feudal lords and merchants);

- Soviet military and economic assistance.

All these conditions were present in Afghanistan. In addition, it should be noted that building socialism in Afghanistan was the maximum program, and having Afghanistan in the form of a bourgeois republic, LOYAL to the USSR and not taking aggressive actions and not entering into blocs with opponents of the USSR was ENOUGH. The USSR lived side by side with feudal Afghanistan for 50 years and maintained good relations, and could have continued to live and live.

But in the 70s, unhealthy movements provoked by the Americans first of all, by Pakistan, in which the United States invested as an “anti-India”, secondly, and a little by China, which tried to put spokes in the wheels of the USSR in foreign policy, left the USSR no choice - it became clear that without the dictatorship of the pro-Marxist party, Afghanistan would not be peaceful and loyal to the USSR. This was clear not only to the Kremlin sages, but to everyone in general.

Therefore, the decision to take the revolutionary path was supported. It did not become the cause of civil war in Afghanistan: Afghanistan is, in principle, a very loose feudal-tribalistic formation of three ethnic groups and many religious movements of Islam, and any weakening of internal power there causes massacres - local leaders and imams begin to tear down neighbors, claims from each other My friend has plenty there, just like everywhere else in such a situation. In these conditions, the DPA played the role of a supra-tribal, supra-ethnic and supra-religious force that could unite Afghanistan, and therefore gathered around itself not the worst Afghan cadres who were ready to actively carry out industrialization and land reform in order to pull Afghanistan out of the civilizational impasse. These cadres, for the most part, were not Marxists, they were simply mainly secular intelligentsia with convictions at the level of populism.

The communists had worked a lot and successfully in such conditions before, and the Afghan conditions were not something special for them. And even the involvement of the young revolutionary regime in the civil war was not something special - the Bolsheviks not only formed a red enclave in Turkestan in the period 1918-1920, but also successfully defended and expanded it. relying on the urban proletariat. That was what was special about Afghanistan. that, unlike the conditions of the 20s of the 20th century, the Islamists were supported and supplied to the fullest. If Enver Pasha received from 5 to 10 thousand rifles for his adventure, and, in fact, that was all, then the Afghan Mujahideen created a whole bridgehead in Pakistan and pumped them up with personnel and weapons, including ammunition systems, MANPADS, recoilless rifles, connection and other joys. Thugs and mercenaries were collected from all over the Arab world. This was very important for prolonging the conflict.

The Soviet government defeated more or less large Basmachi formations in Central Asia in just over a year, and then dealt only with formations of up to 500 sabers at a peak, and very weak in combat qualities (the history of the fight against Basmachi is replete with episodes when Soviet troops managed to repel raids gangs are 5-10 times larger than the units opposing them, and the pursuit of a 300-saber gang by one squadron was quite normal). In the conditions of Afghanistan, this did not work - the hydra's heads grew back much faster, and the support or non-support of the Mujahideen by the local population did not have a very significant effect on the situation. The Najibullah regime itself could not cope with this - crowds of well-trained, motivated and armed thugs climbed across the border with Pakistan, and Najibullah had few quality personnel, the army was weak, and the state apparatus inherited nepotism and corruption, common to the political culture of Afghanistan. and he had to spend them on land reforms, industrialization, infrastructure, on changing agriculture to the right crops (not opium poppies), on education and social measures.

Accordingly, the leadership of the USSR made a decision - to send in troops, carry out industrialization under the “umbrella” of Soviet troops, build infrastructure and train Afghan personnel. In 10 years, this task was completely solved, despite the fact that the war there did not stop, and the USSR could only count as a plus the maintenance of virtually uninterrupted transportation between all major cities. The Mujahideen did not occupy a single major city, nor were they able to cut the roads between major cities.

By the time the Soviet troops were withdrawn, the PDPA already had enough local personnel to maintain the current state of affairs indefinitely, which in conditions when time was not working for the Mujahideen (industrialization and secular education removed more and more Afghans from under their influence every year ), practically guaranteed victory, albeit not a quick one and paid for with a lot of blood and tension. But only on one condition, that the USSR would continue to build infrastructure and enterprises in Afghanistan, as well as arm and supply the army and police, help with advisers, scientific, cultural, and engineering personnel.

The PDPA held on for 2 years, and not bad. Gorbachev's betrayal cut aid to zero, which demoralized the army and the state apparatus, and everything became very sad.

The Afghans themselves now remember Najibullah's reign as a "golden age", because neither Islamists of various stripes, nor American mongrels could save even a tenth of what the USSR managed to set up in Afghanistan, let alone repeat. As a result, Afghanistan is even more savage and wretched than it was in 1973. If not for the Soviet troops, such a fate would have befallen the Afghans already in 1980.

The introduction of troops is also considered a mistake because the war was not popular in the USSR. But this is a false impression. In 1980-86. Applications to the Internationalists were written en masse, internationalist soldiers enjoyed public respect, even during the height of perestroika, a significant number of volunteers were selected there. Dempropaganda whipped up hysteria regarding losses, and the more the CPSU allowed democracies, the greater the hysteria. Therefore, it turned out that the history of the war in Afghanistan was written by anti-communists, and their history turned out to be of appropriate quality - with a persistent smell of crap. Yes, no one is happy to receive a funeral, but. for example, in Russia, even at the moment, almost 1.5 million heroin addicts are registered. Not least because Najibullah lost. Socialist Afghanistan reliably blocked drug trafficking, fought the drug mafia, and saved millions of people around the world. I wonder how many Zelenograd intellectuals, who wore posters demanding the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan in 1989, observed their children’s heroin withdrawal in the 1990s? 15,000 funerals in 10 years and a million heroin addicts annually - a good price?

And in principle, the communists never promised that the revolutionary process would always be peaceful and bloodless. The bourgeoisie will not give up without a fight. and no matter how many peaceful options we offer to the bourgeoisie (and communists always have a peaceful version of revolution - when the bourgeoisie peacefully renounces property and profits and works honestly), war will still be imposed on us one way or another. Therefore, there are and cannot be any fundamental errors in the very fact of participation in hostilities, if this resolves the issue. In Afghanistan, the presence of Soviet troops solved the problems of socialist construction. Therefore it was both necessary and correct. Regardless of what the Afghan peasant from the village thought.

(c) Ivan Shevtsov

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The Afghans spent the next 35 years wonderfully after the withdrawal of Soviet troops.
Well, what about the Najbillah regime, if not for Gorbachev’s betrayal. could well repeat the story of Assad, who was overthrown and overthrown, but was never overthrown. But for this, of course, he had to help him.
And without help, it collapsed, like many other states dependent on the USSR, which were also betrayed by Gorbachev and Shevardnadze. In this regard, their crimes are not limited to the USSR. Before a significant number of countries and people, their guilt is no less.

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This is not quite the version of history as I know it.

The declared communist government, essentially a palace coup by the foreign educated younger generation of the ruling class, requested military support from the USSR because of insurrections by CIA and Paki-proxy backed tribal elements. Supposedly the Red Army wanted no part of it but the Kremlin thought it was necessary to display 'socialist solidarity', because what would the Warsaw Pact think if the Soviets sat on their hands? So I dunno, mebbe...

As for the rest, it is a long and complex history which lead up to Gorby, nonetheless he was the one who pulled the trigger.
"There is great chaos under heaven; the situation is excellent."

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