Socialist Demands for the COVID-19 Crisis

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Re: Socialist Demands for the COVID-19 Crisis

Post by blindpig » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:48 pm

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Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:06 pm
The numbers at the CDC show record lows for 'flu positives' for the last three weeks for comparable time of year. I will post specifics on this data by next week. When I say record lows I am speaking of by a factor of 9. Week 14 for example has only 0.8% flu positives. The previous record low for Week 14 was 9.6% with virtually every other Week 14 rate at or above 12%. This covers a 20 year time span of record keeping. How is this possible? Where have all the flu cases gone? And this all in a year where weeks 6 and 7 (early Feb.) had near record high flu positives.

When you look over this data at the CDC it is staggering and obvious- they are cooking the books.
Got some links for these numbers, old friend?

The dangerous precedent for civil liberties down the road are obvious. It is to be expected that the bosses would take advantage of the situation, it does not follow that this pandemic is a hoax perpetrated towards that purpose. As I said previously, opportunism is what passes for genius among those people.

You have gathered a gaggle of dissident opinions, against them I stand the actions and pronouncements of China and Cuba. Are the Chinese and Cubans party to the hoax?

The US ruling class seems divided on this with some accepting the necessity of social distancing and the implications for the economy while others putting economic damage a greater concern than some geezers. This is not to say that the 1st party has a milliliter of concern for the masses but rather they put greater value upon the consent engendered by the dog& pony show of booj democracy.

Are the numbers being fudged? Proly in either direction depending upon the interests. It will take some time to shake it all out.
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Re: Socialist Demands for the COVID-19 Crisis

Post by chlamor » Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:47 pm

Got some links for these numbers, old friend?

The dangerous precedent for civil liberties down the road are obvious. It is to be expected that the bosses would take advantage of the situation, it does not follow that this pandemic is a hoax perpetrated towards that purpose. As I said previously, opportunism is what passes for genius among those people.

You have gathered a gaggle of dissident opinions, against them I stand the actions and pronouncements of China and Cuba. Are the Chinese and Cubans party to the hoax?


I do and will be posting them either this weekend or early next week- they are compiled and will take time to type out. Hoax is your word not mine- colossal lies, manipulations and opportunism at best. China was definitely misrepresenting the figures. No idea on Cuba have not looked into it.

Now why you would say it doesn't make sense that the bosses could perpetrate such a thing (they have but not in some simplistic form of a "hoax) yet also state that they would use this as a rationale for social control is somewhat illogical.

Your dismissive use of the term "gaggle" is duly noted.

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Re: Socialist Demands for the COVID-19 Crisis

Post by chlamor » Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:48 pm

The "official" numbers are being fudged in only one direction- your equivocal statement on this matter is false.

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Re: Socialist Demands for the COVID-19 Crisis

Post by chlamor » Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:56 pm

New Study- 50% of COVID-Positive Deaths in Europe Have Been in Nursing Homes:

https://ltccovid.org/wp-content/uploads ... pril-3.pdf

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Re: Socialist Demands for the COVID-19 Crisis

Post by blindpig » Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:01 pm

chlamor wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:47 pm
Got some links for these numbers, old friend?

The dangerous precedent for civil liberties down the road are obvious. It is to be expected that the bosses would take advantage of the situation, it does not follow that this pandemic is a hoax perpetrated towards that purpose. As I said previously, opportunism is what passes for genius among those people.

You have gathered a gaggle of dissident opinions, against them I stand the actions and pronouncements of China and Cuba. Are the Chinese and Cubans party to the hoax?


I do and will be posting them either this weekend or early next week- they are compiled and will take time to type out. Hoax is your word not mine- colossal lies, manipulations and opportunism at best. China was definitely misrepresenting the figures. No idea on Cuba have not looked into it.

Now why you would say it doesn't make sense that the bosses could perpetrate such a thing (they have but not in some simplistic form of a "hoax) yet also state that they would use this as a rationale for social control is somewhat illogical.

Your dismissive use of the term "gaggle" is duly noted.
Chinese numbers will be adjusted, up, as the dust settles. They are also predicting an upsurge in the late Fall, not as great but significant. You think the Chinese are lying? Are spending billions, disrupting their economy for who knows what motivation? I find that absurd.

Yes we can expect the administration to fudge the numbers, down. Every hour of labor unexploited is a loss in their book. Likewise the loss of profit realized in sales. This outweighs the motivation of social conditioning, they can seldom see past the next quarter.

And where did I say that it didn't make sense for the bosses to perpetrate a scam like this? I cannot see in the above post. But what certainly does not make sense is that the socialist governments of China and Cuba would collude with the US Empire in making a mountain out of a molehill in order that the US ruling class might tighten it's chains on the working class and that is where your argument falls apart and why I used the dismissive term 'gaggle'.

Yeah, fuck those people in nursing homes, gonna die anyways.
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Re: Socialist Demands for the COVID-19 Crisis

Post by blindpig » Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:12 pm

Study: Japan could see 400,000 deaths
China Daily | Updated: 2020-04-16 10:06

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An employee of the Tokyo metropolitan government on Tuesday shows off a placard calling for people to stay home in Tokyo after the Japanese government announced a state of emergency for the capital and some prefectures. [ISSEI KATO/REUTERS]

TOKYO-Japan could see more than 400,000 people die from the novel coronavirus if no measures are taken to contain infections, according to a health ministry study released on Wednesday.

At the peak, 850,000 patients would need ventilators and half of them would likely die because of a shortage, the study said.

Meanwhile, Komeito, the ruling party's junior coalition partner, requested on Wednesday that the government consider cash handouts of 100,000 yen ($933) to all people regardless of income.

In Iran, the authorities have extended the postponement of all sports events in the country from April 18 to May 20, the official IRNA news agency reported on Tuesday.

Separately, Iran said on Tuesday that convalescent plasma therapy had been effective in reducing the death rate of COVID-19 patients.

The Islamic republic added 1,512 new cases on Wednesday, taking the country's total to 76,389. The death toll rose to 4,777.

Palestinian Prime Minister Mohammed Ishtaye on Tuesday lauded China for providing emergency medical aid, and said it would help identify coronavirus infections and reveal them at a faster pace.

Earlier on Tuesday, Palestine received medical aid from China's Alibaba, including 50,000 testing kits, as well as medicines and laboratory supplies.

Turkey expects to see the peak of the outbreak in one or two weeks, Turkish Health Minister Fahrettin Koca said on Tuesday, adding that the situation "is under control".

The total number of cases in Turkey rose to 65,111, while the death toll surged to 1,403 on Tuesday.

In Singapore, the country has made it mandatory for everyone, except for children under two years old or those with special needs, to wear a mask outside of their homes in the latest bid to curb the virus following a sharp spike in cases that surged to 3,252.

The health ministry said on Tuesday that anyone found without a mask would be fined S$300 ($212), while repeat offenders could be prosecuted in court and face higher fines.

Appeal to teachers

In Australia, Prime Minister Scott Morrison issued an appeal on Wednesday to teachers to keep schools open amid the pandemic, urging them to not force parents to choose between home-schooling their children or going to work to "put food on the table".

Schools in the states of Victoria, Queensland and New South Wales will remain open only for the children of parents who are unable to work from home.

South Africa on Tuesday received medical supplies from China to help with the fight against COVID-19, as the country's stock of gloves and masks is down to four weeks.

The total number of confirmed cases in South Africa has risen to 2,415.

In Nigeria, the country decided to impose a seven-day lockdown in its economic powerhouse state of Kano, a spokesman for the governor said on Tuesday, as the country has recorded 373 infections.

Wang Xu in Tokyo, Xinhua and agencies contributed to this story.

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202004/ ... 169a8.html

Note:if no measures are taken. Measures are already being taken.

Judging from this it's one hell of a conspiracy...
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Re: Socialist Demands for the COVID-19 Crisis

Post by chlamor » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:53 pm

blindpig wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:01 pm
chlamor wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:47 pm
Got some links for these numbers, old friend?

The dangerous precedent for civil liberties down the road are obvious. It is to be expected that the bosses would take advantage of the situation, it does not follow that this pandemic is a hoax perpetrated towards that purpose. As I said previously, opportunism is what passes for genius among those people.

You have gathered a gaggle of dissident opinions, against them I stand the actions and pronouncements of China and Cuba. Are the Chinese and Cubans party to the hoax?


I do and will be posting them either this weekend or early next week- they are compiled and will take time to type out. Hoax is your word not mine- colossal lies, manipulations and opportunism at best. China was definitely misrepresenting the figures. No idea on Cuba have not looked into it.

Now why you would say it doesn't make sense that the bosses could perpetrate such a thing (they have but not in some simplistic form of a "hoax) yet also state that they would use this as a rationale for social control is somewhat illogical.

Your dismissive use of the term "gaggle" is duly noted.
Chinese numbers will be adjusted, up, as the dust settles. They are also predicting an upsurge in the late Fall, not as great but significant. You think the Chinese are lying? Are spending billions, disrupting their economy for who knows what motivation? I find that absurd.

Yes we can expect the administration to fudge the numbers, down. Every hour of labor unexploited is a loss in their book. Likewise the loss of profit realized in sales. This outweighs the motivation of social conditioning, they can seldom see past the next quarter.

And where did I say that it didn't make sense for the bosses to perpetrate a scam like this? I cannot see in the above post. But what certainly does not make sense is that the socialist governments of China and Cuba would collude with the US Empire in making a mountain out of a molehill in order that the US ruling class might tighten it's chains on the working class and that is where your argument falls apart and why I used the dismissive term 'gaggle'.

Yeah, fuck those people in nursing homes, gonna die anyways.
First off not sure what you are implying there with that last quote of yours. If you're implying that that is my sentiment then I can only respond that you would be wrong and a foolish reactionary. That's a dead giveaway you're not able to think clearly on this.

Don't see anywhere where I even hinted at the possibility of US/China/Cuba in collusion. Further illustrative of you just making shit up.

There is no place where my argument falls apart- maybe cite your own if you have one.

If you're falling for this transparently and painfully obviously contrived COVID narrative you have in this case taken leave of your senses.

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Re: Socialist Demands for the COVID-19 Crisis

Post by kidoftheblackhole » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:03 pm

What exactly is your argument Chlamor?

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Re: Socialist Demands for the COVID-19 Crisis

Post by blindpig » Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:40 am

chlamor wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:53 pm
blindpig wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:01 pm
chlamor wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:47 pm
Got some links for these numbers, old friend?

The dangerous precedent for civil liberties down the road are obvious. It is to be expected that the bosses would take advantage of the situation, it does not follow that this pandemic is a hoax perpetrated towards that purpose. As I said previously, opportunism is what passes for genius among those people.

You have gathered a gaggle of dissident opinions, against them I stand the actions and pronouncements of China and Cuba. Are the Chinese and Cubans party to the hoax?


I do and will be posting them either this weekend or early next week- they are compiled and will take time to type out. Hoax is your word not mine- colossal lies, manipulations and opportunism at best. China was definitely misrepresenting the figures. No idea on Cuba have not looked into it.

Now why you would say it doesn't make sense that the bosses could perpetrate such a thing (they have but not in some simplistic form of a "hoax) yet also state that they would use this as a rationale for social control is somewhat illogical.

Your dismissive use of the term "gaggle" is duly noted.
Chinese numbers will be adjusted, up, as the dust settles. They are also predicting an upsurge in the late Fall, not as great but significant. You think the Chinese are lying? Are spending billions, disrupting their economy for who knows what motivation? I find that absurd.

Yes we can expect the administration to fudge the numbers, down. Every hour of labor unexploited is a loss in their book. Likewise the loss of profit realized in sales. This outweighs the motivation of social conditioning, they can seldom see past the next quarter.

And where did I say that it didn't make sense for the bosses to perpetrate a scam like this? I cannot see in the above post. But what certainly does not make sense is that the socialist governments of China and Cuba would collude with the US Empire in making a mountain out of a molehill in order that the US ruling class might tighten it's chains on the working class and that is where your argument falls apart and why I used the dismissive term 'gaggle'.

Yeah, fuck those people in nursing homes, gonna die anyways.
First off not sure what you are implying there with that last quote of yours. If you're implying that that is my sentiment then I can only respond that you would be wrong and a foolish reactionary. That's a dead giveaway you're not able to think clearly on this.

Don't see anywhere where I even hinted at the possibility of US/China/Cuba in collusion. Further illustrative of you just making shit up.

There is no place where my argument falls apart- maybe cite your own if you have one.

If you're falling for this transparently and painfully obviously contrived COVID narrative you have in this case taken leave of your senses.
The point is that if China, Cuba and the rest of the anti-imperialist nations are treating this as the real thing then we should too. If the most nakedly aggressive portion of the ruling class is trying to blow this off then we should be mighty suspicious of that position. I do not know how you could think otherwise.
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Re: Socialist Demands for the COVID-19 Crisis

Post by blindpig » Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:51 am

NON-ESSENTIAL PRODUCTION MUST BE STOPPED AGAIN

Today, workers in non-essential production are going back to work in Spain. With 5,000 people in the ICU, more than 17,000 deaths that keep growing at a rate of more than 500 every day and no tests to ensure that there are no pockets of contagion within the workforce, it is a truly reckless move. Even the official “advice” expresses the insecurity of the government itself and its experts. As it happened before in Italy, there is again an impulse towards strikes to keep non-essential production closed as long as the spread is not controlled to make sure that going to work is not like Russian roulette for the workers and their families.


The whole picture is a real disaster: those who were thrown into temporary layoffs are not yet receiving April’s subsidy because the administration has stalled the proceedings. Those who keep their jobs won’t be able to take any tests, and the alternative is to risk infecting their colleagues or becoming unemployed.

And the slogan of the day from the state is to celebrate 500 deaths in the last 24 hours as if it were a success while telling us anecdotes about the distribution of masks in the highway exchanges as if it weren’t a desperate measure to alleviate the fact that the conditions set by the ministry itself – two meters away from each other and in transport – are not being met anywhere.

Today, fighting against Covid means…

FLYER DISTRIBUTED TODAY BY EMANCIPATION IN SPAIN.
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The priority, now more than ever, has to be saving lives, not investments. The debates and the petty squabbles between sectors of government, regional presidents, business managers… we don’t care about them. If there is no real guarantee that there will be no contagion in transport or in the workplace, and today there is no way of ensuring that, the only thing possible is to keep companies temporarily closed. Today, to fight against Covid is to do so against the rush to resume production and make investments profitable at all costs. We have to stand up in the workplaces and demand:

Closure of all non-essential production as long as transport and workplace safety cannot be ensured.

Real and sufficient safety conditions and equipment for essential workers

Immediate payment of overdue temporary layoff benefits and coverage of all unemployed for the duration of the confinement.

Testing of the entire population showing symptoms.

http://communia.blog/non-essential-prod ... ped-again/
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