Footnotes from the Ukrainian "Crisis"; New High-Points in Cynicism Part IV

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The commander of the Armed Forces in the Donbass announced the complete withdrawal of troops
September 18, 2019 11:53

The commander of the Ukrainian troops in the Donbass, General Kravchenko, announced preparations for the withdrawal of troops along the entire demarcation line. He said this during a meeting with the UN system coordinator, humanitarian coordinator and permanent representative of the UN Development Program in Ukraine Osnat Lubrani. This was reported by the press center of the so-called "OOS" on Facebook.

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According to him, preparations are now underway for the withdrawal of troops along the entire demarcation line in the Donbass.

“Today, preparatory measures are being taken to withdraw troops along the entire demarcation line. Such a task was determined by the head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine and the head of state. We are ready for this in order to improve the lives of our citizens and, in the end, everything will depend on mirror actions from the opposite side, ”he emphasized.

Earlier today it was reported that the President of Ukraine Zelensky intends to end the war in Donbass in six months .

In turn, the head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, Priestayko, said that the Kremlin is showing the first signs of readiness to de-escalate the situation in the Donbass .

On the eve of Ukrainian television, Priestayko also announced that Zelensky’s team was taking six months to resolve the situation in Donbass .

At the same time, on September 15, Priestayko said that Kiev did not intend to grant amnesty to the participants in the Donbass war on the part of the DPR and LPR, and also did not intend to take into account the conditions of the Republics in the issue of holding elections in the DPR and LPR.

Earlier, the representative of Kiev at the talks in Minsk, the ex-president of Ukraine Kuchma, said that “Donbass will not receive any federations and changes to the Constitution” .

Such statements, the director of the Center for Political Conjuncture Alexei Chesnakov called "absolute stupidity . " According to him, the Ukrainian side by refusing to grant Donetsk and Lugansk wide autonomy demonstrates absolute stupidity and deceit, since the denial of the special status of Donbass denies the Steinmeier formula.

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Tikhon Goncharov: If Ukraine returns, no “amnesties” will save the residents of Donbass from reprisals
September 18, 2019 8:04

The news of the murder of former DPR militia Roman Dzhumaev in the occupied Armed Forces of Mariupol shocked the republics of Donbass and other Russian regions. Unidentified shot at point blank range at the door of their own apartment. The mother of the killed militia, Lyudmila, today announced that the organizer of the execution of her son was an accomplice of the Armed Forces of Ukraine , Ukrainian Nazi Odnorog. Which, by the way, yesterday openly thanked the murderers of Roman .

The unicorn, which considered the murdered person to be its personal enemy, was previously distinguished by Russophobic statements. In the fall of 2016, she made a scandal over a poem about the Russian flag in a textbook on the Russian language in Mariupol schools. The "Volunteer" demanded the dismissal of all teachers involved in the "harassment" and sent a letter to the Minister of Education of Ukraine. In November of the same year, Odnorog accused the "separatists" of arson of the only "temple" of Ukrainian schismaticsin Mariupol. “So you freaks want to scare us?” So I’ll give you the answer: you’ll rather take a break, the dregs that are waiting for the “world to ruin”, than we’ll at least step back from our goals! ”She said. Obviously, we have a classic example of what a person can turn into under the influence of the ideas of Ukrainian Nazism.

Of course, after the brutal crimes of Ukrainian Nazis in the Donbass, as well as the killing of objectionable activists throughout Ukraine, the news of the reprisal against the former militia is not particularly surprising. But this incident once again demonstrated that the Nazi regime in Ukraine under Poroshenko did not go away, but simply changed the bloodied embroidery to a white shirt with a fashionable tie. Ukrainian Nazis continue to feel at ease, openly calling for further reprisals with supporters of the Donbass. The ex-head of the "Right Sector" * Yarosh, commenting on the murder of a former DPR soldier in Mariupol, cynically urged Donbass militias to voluntarily go to Ukrainian prisons to save their lives.

The team of Zelensky-Kolomoisky, who came to power with the help of peacekeeping and anti-war rhetoric, is not really going to make any cardinal changes in the political course of the country. This is becoming more apparent every day. The hostage exchange with Russia became a necessary measure to correct the image of the "non-negotiable" Kiev. And after that exchange there was an unpleasant aftertaste - the militiamen included in the exchange list remained left behind bars without any additional explanations from the Ukrainian side.

It is already clear now that the expectations of a certain part of the Russian elite that appeared after Poroshenko’s defeat in the presidential election to agree with Kiev on some “acceptable” conditions for the return of Donbass to Ukraine will remain expectations, and the surge in Kiev’s intentions to continue to agree in a “Norman format” quickly fade away. And all attempts by puppeteers Zelensky will not lead to anything, with the exception of a partial improvement in the image of the "new" power in the eyes of European partners.

However, in recent days, official Kiev has practically ceased to hide its intentions and, in fact, has returned to rhetoric from the time of Poroshenko. On September 15, the Foreign Minister of Ukraine, Priestayko, said that Kiev did not intend to grant amnesty to the participants in the Donbass war on the part of the DPR and LPR, and also did not intend to take into account the conditions of the Republics regarding the conduct of elections in the DPR and LPR. A day earlier, the official representative of Kiev at the talks in Minsk, the ex-president of Ukraine Kuchma, said that “Donbass will not receive any federations and constitutional changes .” Yesterday, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov actually acknowledged the slip that negotiations with the new Ukrainian leadership had not yet begun, stating that Kiev’s latest statements on the Donbass“Emphasize the need for thorough preparations for the Norman Four summit .

In this regard, it can be stated that all the talks about a potential settlement of the conflict in the Donbass on the basis of certain agreements with Kiev will most likely remain conversations. And thank God, because in the event of the Ukrainian authorities coming to Lugansk and Donetsk, the massacres of the “amnestied” supporters of the republics of Donbass will take on a massive scale. And there is no doubt that the whole “world community” will turn a blind eye to the crimes of the “patriots of Ukraine”.

Tikhon Goncharov, specially for the news agency Novorossiya.

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"The people have ceased to understand whose state it is." Boris Litvinov - on civil society, Minsk agreements, military-technical cooperation, flash mob and the future of the DPR
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"The people have ceased to understand whose state it is." Boris Litvinov - on civil society, Minsk agreements, military-technical cooperation, flash mob and the future of the DPR
Boris Litvinov stood at the origins of the creation of the DPR. In the spring of 2014, on the eve of the fateful referendum for Donbass, it was it that was most often shown on local television channels. Litvinov told why the referendum is right.

For several months he was the head of the Supreme Council of the newly created republic, after when democracy in Donetsk began to decline, he became an ordinary deputy. The parliament lasted about two years: in the spring of 2016 by the decree of the Donetsk parliament, his powers were prematurely terminated "due to the loss of confidence." Litvinov, like the other founding fathers of the DPR, was pushed into the shadows, and completely different people entered the scene.

Today Boris Litvinov leads the Communist Party of the DPR. Despite the fact that the party is not represented in the local parliament, Litvinov takes a rather active citizenship. Perhaps this explains the strange things happening to him: the house of the main communist of Donbass burned down under mysterious circumstances, an explosive device was found under the bottom of his car, and explosions were thundered at party events. About why all this is happening, how criminal cases are being investigated (and whether they have been instituted at all), who can stand behind these events, the “Anti-Fascist” talked with the head of the CPPR. However, our conversation went far beyond the agreed framework, and dragged on for almost two hours, during which we discussed many issues: about civil society and the problems of the republican economy, the “non-Donetsk” administration, the VTS company, nationalization, transfer of “tasty” enterprises to private hands. Of course, we could not ignore the Minsk agreements, as well as the hopes of some people that the Donbass would stop the absorption of Ukraine by NATO. We also discussed the future of the DPR, in any case, what his head of the Donetsk Communist Party sees as his.

We also talked about the protest summer of 2019, opposition rallies and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation in Moscow, the results of the elections to the Moscow City Duma, the main Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny and his “Smart Voting”.

Today is the first part of our big conversation.

“Someday history will put everything in its place. But now I don’t have a home ”- about explosions, arson and attempt
- Boris Alekseevich, explosions sound at KPPR events, your house burned down, explosives were found under your car. What is happening and how are these cases investigated, if even investigated?

- I'll start from home. Yes, my house burned down , but any criminal investigation did not start. The fire department told me that this business could last forever - there’s no video near my house and there were no CCTV cameras, and without this, it’s impossible to figure out who did it. Therefore, to close the question, I signed the Act that the house caught fire itself, from a short circuit after a wire break. Someday, history will put everything in its place. But now I don’t have a home, I have nothing to restore it, now I live in a rented apartment.

As for the car, then there are more chances. I wrote the application on July 26, on August 26 I was in the internal affairs bodies, asked where it was transferred, they explained to me what was transferred to the prosecutor's office. Now I’ll go to the prosecutor’s office, I will find out where it was transferred further. Orally, prosecutors explained to me that the case would be referred to the MGB. How it will be investigated, I do not know. But there is a whole explosive device, there is a video recording, the time is determined when all this happened, there are numbers of explosive products. It seems to me that the investigation should be easier in this case. What will be the result, I do not know. In any case, in five years we have committed a lot of high-profile crimes and I personally have not heard that any case was brought to an end, there were courts convicted. Starting from the death of our famous military, and ending with Alexander Vladimirovich Zakharchenko: there are many statements, "They caught one, two, three, traces lead there." But I would like to see the completed trials and convictions with public coverage in the media. This is not yet. Therefore, if such resonant affairs have not yet been completed, then mine is even more so.

“Who do you suspect?”

- I will not blame anyone, but I will express my assumptions. There are at least six versions. It can be either a Ukrainian trace to destabilize the situation in the Republic, they say, Ukrainian patriots blew up one of those who were at the origins of the creation of the DPR, and domestic political grievances even on our left flank: they didn’t elect someone, they didn’t supported. Today it is not difficult to get an explosive device in the DPR. We can also assume that the attempted assassination may be on a par with the explosions at our congress last year. This may be the elimination of political competitors, perhaps a reaction to the fact that I have some information that is too early to voice - I was at the origins of the creation of the Republic. So there are many versions, but who exactly is behind all this, let the law enforcement authorities respond. The only thing I can say: I immediately dismiss the economic version, since I have no business, accordingly, I have no business interests, and I also have no family conflicts. Political and near-political conflicts of interest - around this we must look.

- On May 1, another resonant event occurred: on one of the main “red” holidays, you were not allowed to perform from the stage on Lenin Square, young people blocked your way to it. This story was vigorously discussed in social networks, and opinion leaders spoke about it . How did it all end?

- Yes, there was such an episode. The possibility of my speech was agreed in advance, it was agreed that they would give me the floor, the topic that I would reveal was even outlined. The guys who blocked my path, this is the so-called “People’s squad”. Very young people who did not quite understand what they were doing. This became public, it even became known in the Communist Party. But we, in fact, are already accustomed to various provocations. This provocation is not the first against the Communists. I think that those who did this on May 1 were counting on the effect of resistance.

- What do you have in mind?

“They were counting on us being drawn into a scandal.” There were a lot of police nearby, and if there were fights, we would be accused of disturbing public order. But we did not succumb to the provocation, we managed to avoid brawls, although the situation was balancing on the brink.

- You said that you learned about the incident in the Communist Party. How did you react to all this?

- With understanding. Unfortunately, there is plenty of this in Russia in relation to the Communists, and this despite the fact that the Communist Party is a parliamentary party. Then I met with the leaders of these guys.

- With Troshin?

“And with him, too.” They said they were just asked not to let me speak. “We were asked - we did,” that was the explanation. They agreed that they would no longer interfere in political processes.

- Who asked them?

- I didn’t ask, because I understand perfectly well that neither the "combatants" nor their leaders will say. But I have an idea who it could be. And this is definitely not the Head of the Republic.

“Then who?”

- There are other high-ranking people who also spoke at the rally that day, and with whom we have long diverged views on events in the DPR. Probably someone didn’t want us to stand side by side on the same stage.

“Donetsk proclaimed the Republic. Now decisions are made by non-Donetsk people ”- about the Minsk Agreements, domestic policy, the“ MTC ”, the Vikings in governance, nationalization and the dream of the EAEU
- Outside the window in September 2019, a new political season has begun. What is the Republic coming into this season with, what is the situation in politics, economics, and what are the foreign policy prospects?

- The situation is alarming, alarming in the areas that you called. The sixth year of the existence of our state has gone, during which time it would have been possible to build a high-quality system of government. However, for whatever question you take, there is no end to the work.

First of all, we still lack a civil society. I am convinced that without the involvement of the broad masses, civil society, to build a Republic, especially - I emphasize, the people! - will not succeed. We remember very well that popular enthusiasm of 2014, on the 15th, partly even in 2016, when the initiative overwhelmed the region, even exceeded the possibilities when the people sincerely wanted to be useful to their state. Now the popular initiative is deep underground. Disappointment among the active population. Those undertakings to which we gave impetus in 2014 did not find their continuation. The society has ripened a big request for meanings, for the image of the future. Many activists of the first wave of the creation of the DPR are pushed into the background of the political process. There are many new people in government not everyone knows and understands the goals of the People's Republics. There is a vacuum on the meanings. People want to understand where we are going, what we are building, why we are doing it. In late August - early September, mourning events were held on the anniversary of the death of Zakharchenko. At the events there were many people who fought for the Republic from the very beginning, together with Zakharchenko. I had a chance to meet with many military commanders, prominent militias and all, as one, ask a question - who formulates political goals and objectives today, who can give answers to questions, where are we going and why, who will outline the image of the future, who will offer a program to achieve the image the future? That is, this request has matured both among the civilian population and the military. Everyone has. Unfortunately, today in the Republic there is nobody, perhaps, except for the Head, who from time to time tries to formulate meanings.

In 2014, the construction of a socially-oriented state became initially desirable for us, and then already obvious. In order for the state to be socially oriented, the people, the very civil society, must participate most actively in their life. The people must understand that this is their state. Today, people have ceased to understand whose state it is. Especially the last six months or a year, when they are trying to position us, to impose on us the idea that we should become part of Ukraine with a special status. Unfortunately, no one is leaving this direction, and in the last year it has been imposing itself more and more on us. It annoys our society. Especially those who stood at the origins of the creation of the state, who actively participated in its construction, who still want and can build our DNR state. It’s ours,

- Do I understand correctly that you are opposed to the Minsk agreements?

- No, I am in favor of continuing negotiations in Minsk.

- But Minsk suggests the return of the DPR to Ukraine.

- I am a supporter, and here is the part. First of all, in terms of establishing peace. I think that there are no people who would oppose this. Although no, one is still there. Rather, one (laughs). Some girl 28 years old, as she said, calls me every week from Latvia, says that she is from Daugavpils. I don’t know how she found my phone number. At first I just wanted to hang up, but then I somehow got involved, started talking to her. She probably has or had something to do with the Ukrainian nationalist battalions, because she hinted to me that she was a sniper, said "I see you all in the sight of a sniper rifle."And we discussed several times with her the end of the military confrontation. I say that we are for peace, we do not want to fight with the inhabitants of Ukraine, we can coexist peacefully, even having different ideas about our present and future. And she convinces me that the war should continue, and she wants to see all of us, residents of the DPR, only in sight. This is perhaps the only person I know who is committed to war. All the rest, well, or the absolute majority, are tuned, I think, only to the world. Minsk agreements contribute to peace, these exchanges, let's say. These are steps towards each other, and this, of course, needs to be addressed. If in conditional tomorrow Ukraine opens the way for trade with the DPR, lifts the blockade, I will also welcome this. We also support the dialogue between the leaders of the DPR and Ukraine, the search for ways of peaceful coexistence. But in the political part, I do not see that we can become part of Ukraine in any state, in any form: confederation, federation, special status, autonomy. I do not see such an opportunity today, and I will say why.

In order to become part of Ukraine, Ukraine needs to radically reboot. In 2014, before the coup, Ukraine was one state in all respects - economic, political, military. It was non-aligned, it was part of the CIS, and the hope for integration into the Eurasian civilization space persisted, albeit weak. Today, Ukraine has written in its Constitution that it is heading for the EU and NATO. Ukraine at the legislative level practically imposed a ban on the official status of the Russian language, a ban on the historical memory of a common fate with the Russian people, a ban on the symbols of pride in our common victories and achievements with Russia. Finally, in the military doctrine of Ukraine, Russia is listed as enemy number one. In order for us to agree on something with them, at least, their decisions and aspirations must be removed from the Constitution, Legislation abolished. This is the first.

The second one. In the same Minsk agreements, it is written that Ukraine should amend the Constitution in terms of the administrative-territorial structure, that is, become, for example, a confederate or federal state. But I don’t see what they want and can do it. Further. During these five years in Ukraine, people were actively brainwashed by nationalist propaganda, turned against us and Russia, during this time the children graduated from schools and institutes, that is, a whole generation appeared against us, and I see no way to remove the consequences of this propaganda from their thoughts. Those people who impose on us the idea that we can become a special territory within Ukraine and influence its policy, they seem to make a mistake. The same error that I talked aboutPutin regarding the position of Lenin in the formation of the USSR. Vladimir Vladimirovich said: “... For example, Ukraine, Donbass was transferred under what pretext? An increase in the percent of the proletariat in Ukraine in order to have great social support there ... ". And such a Leninist position today is perceived as erroneous, in the historical perspective, the Donbass walked in the channel of Kiev until 2014. So now a similar mistake could be repeated if the Donbass is included in the orbit of Ukraine, supposedly in order to become a brake on the path of its pro-Western aspirations. This will not work. This will be a similar error. Then it was believed that the Donbass was proletarizing Ukraine, partly what happened during the Soviet era, but historically the spirit of farmers, Ukrainian nationalism and Russophobia, together with anti-Sovietism, manifested and flourished as soon as the Soviet socialist system collapsed. And now again, someone thinks that the Donbass will slow down the movement of Ukraine into NATO. It will not happen.

- Why?

“Because the aspiration engine of Ukraine is not in Ukraine, but in the USA.” And unfortunately, nothing depends on whether the Donbass will become a part of Ukraine or not.

- You do not support the political part of Minsk. Good. Then how do you see the future of the DPR? Independence? Joining Russia?

- It seems to me that the year 2020 should become quite interesting. At the end of December of this year (in any case, it was so stated) all the contradictions on the way to strengthening a single Union State between Russia and Belarus should be removed. If this happens, it has a chance to earn the Eurasian Union, uniting the states of the post-Soviet space. And we - the DNI and LC - need to strive to become part of this association. Today we are observing how centripetal political processes begin. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, barely noticeable aspirations for a new unification of kindred peoples begin. Many forces in the world counteract this, prevent it from happening, and will do everything to prevent this from happening. But there is such a tendency. And we must get involved in this process. But for this, a conflict with our status must be resolved. In fact, we proved our choice in the struggle - the creation and strengthening of the People's Republics, and the support of other states is legally needed. The Communist Party faction in the State Duma of Russia has long been calling on the authorities to recognize our republics. Russia, as a state, must recognize us, and Russia and I have no other way.

- That is, you see the future of the DPR through Russia's recognition of your independence, and after that - entry into the Eurasian Union as an independent state?

- Yes. We must become part of the Eurasian Union, and in Ukraine we must understand that the one with Russia has a future. Those who have left Russia, such as Ukraine now, have no future. If we talk about Ukraine, then, contrary to popular belief that Ukraine went to Europe, I do not see this movement. Ukraine did not go to Europe, but rather to an alliance opposing Europe, to some American-Polish-Baltic alliance. And there she is needed purely as an eternal irritant for Russia - and no more.

We must become an example for Ukraine, and show its historical path of development. And you need to start building such an example right now. Rather, it was necessary to start building initially, in 2014, but now it is not too late. We must build a civil society, democratize all processes, make our economy open. With our worthy being, we must form the consciousness of the population of Ukraine, I repeat - only together with Russia do we, the Donbass, and Ukraine have a future.

- The economy of the DPR can certainly not be called open.

- Exactly! Our economy is completely closed. We are told that we can’t talk about anything, they say, war, secrecy. Those who need it know everything! What does it mean you can’t talk ?! People living in the DPR have the impression that the decisions about her future fate are made by non-Donetsk people. We, Donetsk, proclaimed our Republic, and began to build it, but today non-Donetsk decisions are made.

- Do you mean Moscow?

- Not only. Rather, those who rule here on the territory. Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister, Government ...

- ... Deputy Prime Minister agrees , Prime Minister Selidovsky ...

- …Yes. But I'm not talking about who was born where, you can be born anywhere. I am talking about where they came from from our territory to lead. The important thing is where they worked, who sent them here, whose interests they represent and defend. It somehow happened that our entire economy, its most significant assets, through Vneshtorgservice and its structure was transferred to the management of Sergey Kurchenko, an oligarch from Ukraine who now lives in Russia. And it is not those who created the Republic who manage the economy, but those who later came in the interests of completely different people, not the local population. In any case, the inhabitants of the Republic do not feel that the potential of the DPR is working to develop and strengthen our young country.

In our Republic, despite the fact that many have left, there are still people who are experienced, competent, who understand the problems, and who can solve them. Personnel of qualified managers and organizers of production are available. And these cadres want to work to strengthen our statehood. These cadres need to be involved, and they can be employed only through civil society. It should be noted that recently, the Donetsk Republic Public Movement, on behalf of the Head of the DPR, launched an open competition “Support to the Donetsk People’s Republic” for young, motivated, hardworking, dedicated and active residents. But it has touched the future. And if we miss the time, just a year and a half, then the young people, who don’t know what happened in 2014, and to everyone else, will be imposed a different agenda and will not be led to where it was originally intended.

- And where will they lead?

- Everything revolves, in fact, around power and property. And property is in the first place. In the same Minsk, Ukrainians discuss, first of all, ownership issues, they say, first let the owners at their enterprises in Donbass, and then we will talk about everything else. But how can you let those who left their teams, enterprises, organizations to their own devices? Back in 2014-15, I said that what is thrown must be nationalized. It is necessary that the state has a package of tangible assets, they must be taken into account, the effectiveness of their use must be monitored, and developed in the interests of our state. But this does not happen. Today we have dozens of abandoned industries. There are also in satisfactory condition, there are broken ones, there are already cut into scrap metal. Effectively managing such an economy is the task of the People’s Republic. When a person comes who wants to prove himself, he needs, even for free, to give these assets back to those who can practically revive production. Of course, we need comprehensive control on the part of the state, and on the part of the labor collective, and on the part of civil society. And if he took the enterprise in order to finish the last, for this it is necessary to plant, but if people want to revive something, they should be given this opportunity. This is not happening yet. What's going on? They say either the return of the former owners, who as soon as they come and restore the enterprises, will immediately go into politics, because they need to protect their interests, or generally profitable enterprises that could work for the state, they just transfer it to private hands. When a person comes who wants to prove himself, he needs, even for free, to give these assets back to those who can practically revive production. Of course, we need comprehensive control on the part of the state, and on the part of the labor collective, and on the part of civil society. And if he took the enterprise in order to finish the last, for this it is necessary to plant, but if people want to revive something, they should be given this opportunity. This is not happening yet. What's going on? They say either the return of the former owners, who as soon as they come and restore the enterprises, will immediately go into politics, because they need to protect their interests, or generally profitable enterprises that could work for the state, they just transfer it to private hands. When a person comes who wants to prove himself, he needs, even for free, to give these assets back to those who can practically revive production. Of course, we need comprehensive control on the part of the state, and on the part of the labor collective, and on the part of civil society. And if he took the enterprise in order to finish the last, for this it is necessary to plant, but if people want to revive something, they should be given this opportunity. This is not happening yet. What's going on? They say either the return of the former owners, who as soon as they come and restore the enterprises, will immediately go into politics, because they need to protect their interests, or generally profitable enterprises that could work for the state, they just transfer it to private hands. who can practically revive production. Of course, we need comprehensive control on the part of the state, and on the part of the labor collective, and on the part of civil society. And if he took the enterprise in order to finish the last, for this it is necessary to plant, but if people want to revive something, they should be given this opportunity. This is not happening yet. What's going on? They say either the return of the former owners, who as soon as they come and restore the enterprises, will immediately go into politics, because they need to protect their interests, or generally profitable enterprises that could work for the state, they just transfer it to private hands. who can practically revive production. Of course, we need comprehensive control on the part of the state, and on the part of the labor collective, and on the part of civil society. And if he took the enterprise in order to finish the last, for this it is necessary to plant, but if people want to revive something, they should be given this opportunity. This is not happening yet. What's going on? They say either the return of the former owners, who as soon as they come and restore the enterprises, will immediately go into politics, because they need to protect their interests, or generally profitable enterprises that could work for the state, they just transfer it to private hands. And if he took the enterprise in order to finish the last, for this it is necessary to plant, but if people want to revive something, they should be given this opportunity. This is not happening yet. What's going on? They say either the return of the former owners, who as soon as they come and restore the enterprises, will immediately go into politics, because they need to protect their interests, or generally profitable enterprises that could work for the state, they just transfer it to private hands. And if he took the enterprise in order to finish the last, for this it is necessary to plant, but if people want to revive something, they should be given this opportunity. This is not happening yet. What's going on? They say either the return of the former owners, who as soon as they come and restore the enterprises, will immediately go into politics, because they need to protect their interests, or generally profitable enterprises that could work for the state, they just transfer it to private hands.

For example, Gorlovsky meat processing plant. I know this team, in 2014 there were 140 employees out of almost 300 people, the owner fled. At first he tried to lead from Ukraine, then the team began to do something on its own, productivity fell many times, the enterprise was falling apart before our eyes. Then Zakharchenko appointed a manager there, a good manager, professional, competent, the enterprise became state-owned, like a number of others. The director appointed by the state raised the enterprise, raised production from 14 to 98 tons of products. At the meat processing plant, salary arrears were closed, the staff began to revive, 270 people are now working there, the salary is stable, and even a certain level of profitability has been reached. And suddenly, on you! The company is transferred to private hands. But if it has already begun to work as a state,

The situation is similar with Silur - Khartsyzsk Cable Plant: they transferred the enterprise to private hands to some company registered only recently in Rostov. That is, there is a withdrawal of more or less attractive assets from the public administration to the private. These are the first swallows, then, for sure, there will be more. We, those who created this state, are not satisfied with this position.

“Do I understand correctly that you are proposing nationalization?”

- Yes. Everything that is abandoned, left by the former owners to their fate, must be nationalized and transferred to state property. And then the state should take care of the efficient use of property. And such efficiency should be clear to the residents of the Republic. A law is needed on the nationalization of strategic sectors of the economy and abandoned property. It can be written out in different ways. And you can dispose of such property in different ways. This may be a lease, a concession, or the creation of national enterprises; there are, in fact, a lot of options. And we, with experienced comrades, are ready to create such a law, the Communists worked on it even when I was a deputy in the People’s Council. This must be dealt with. But now no one is doing this, in any case, there is no information about this.

- Perhaps because it does not correspond to the spirit and letter of the Minsk agreements.

“They told us - we came. It's fun here ”- about a flash mob in the name of Medvedchuk’s rating and an anti-flash mob with an appeal to Putin
- Boris Alekseevich, in the summer, the DPR stirred up a flash mob, the participants of which (supposedly a million of them) asked Vladimir Zelensky to grant Donbass a special status as part of Ukraine and allow them to speak Russian. In response to this, the indignant Donetsk people intended to hold a rally, asking Vladimir Putin to recognize the choice of Donbass. Autumn came, passions gradually subsided. How do you rate the summer events?

- I rate this as political technology. And as an unsuccessful attempt to fulfill someone’s political attitudes. On the eve of the elections in Ukraine, someone wanted to lower the rating of Zelensky’s team and raise the rating of Medvedchuk. How? "Zelensky, recognize the choice of Donbass!". The calculation of political strategists was that Zelensky would refuse, would not want to do this, and at that time Medvedchuk would say that he had to sit down at the negotiating table, and his rating would grow on this. In my opinion, the organizers made some mistakes. Firstly, the flash mob needed to be carried out, if they had already decided on it, about a month earlier than when they spent, because at that time when they spent, it had no effect, except for the negative. Secondly, it was necessary to think over this technology better, think over what to ask Zelensky, what to contact him with. For example, recognize the choice of Donbass, the choice of 2014 - yes. Stop the war, exchange prisoners - yes. Sit at the negotiating table on the further coexistence of our states - yes. All this was within the framework of the Minsk process, and that was what we had to stop at. But when they began to ask for pensions, it was already a political mistake.

- Why? Just this point did not cause any disagreement.

- The fact is that in Ukraine there is a joint pension system. That is, the current generation pays contributions to the Pension Fund, and from these contributions pensions are paid to pensioners. Our pensioners do not have individual accounts on which their personal pension would accrue, and which Ukraine would freeze. In the tenth years, Ukraine began to introduce such a practice, but very few had such accounts, and I am sure that our current pensioners did not even have them. Therefore, in Ukraine there are no personal pensions; the system is arranged in a completely different way. Therefore, in order to return pensions to our old people, it is necessary that Zelensky recognize our statehood, then an agreement on mutual pension provision must be concluded. This is done at the interstate level under interstate treaties. If there is no such agreement, then no one is obligated to pay anything to anyone. This is the first.

And the second - if you are counting on a Ukrainian pension, you consider yourself a Ukrainian citizen. I understand our low-income pensioners, I myself am a pensioner with a pension of 4,650 rubles, as you know, this is barely enough for the minimum basic needs, that is, for food. And it makes no sense to tell them about the joint system, individual accounts, they just need someone to give them a pension for their many years of work - that's all. Who it will be for them is not so important. Therefore, the requirement “return the pension” means that we recognize ourselves as part of Ukraine.

Further. Please allow me to speak Russian. Guys, what are you talking about ?! After you have gained the right to speak Russian in blood, after that you turn to Zelensky with a request to allow this to be done ?!

And last, of course, is a request for special status in Ukraine. And that annoyed most of our population.

I was on this flash mob when there were a million on the screen. I went, of course, not to support this action. He explained that this was a political action, that it had nothing to do with returning to Ukraine, it was simply unsuccessfully formulated slogans that the organizers wrote. Many participants in this action did not understand at all where they had come. “This is fun,” they said, “they removed from work, they removed from classes, they told us we came, and here it’s fun” - that was the answer. This is the question of a million signatories.

In response to this political performance, some of our caring, politically active citizens decided to hold their counter-monitoring, but it also seemed wrong to me. They wanted to appeal to Putin to recognize the choice of Donbass. The calculation of the flash mob to appeal to Zelensky was that he would not do anything and would not accept the action at all. It turns out that the organizers of the appeal to Putin hoped that if Putin turned to him at the rally, he would do what they asked for? On social networks, especially Ukrainian ones, they immediately grasped the topic and began to equate Zelensky, who does not fulfill the requests of Donbass, and Putin. This approach is wrong at the root. What Putin can do and Russia can do: recognition of documents, diplomas of Russian education, accreditation of universities, passports, license plates, a single monetary system and much more. These are steps towards recognition. Therefore, I told the organizers of the counter-meeting that if there is a desire to hold such a rally, the slogan “Russia, thank you!” Will be appropriate, where you will thank Russia for everything and show that Ukraine and its presidents are not doing anything to end the war. That would be right. Convincing them did not work. But initially the flash mob was a technology to raise Medvedchuk’s rating in the Ukrainian elections.

To be continued.

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Re: Footnotes from the Ukrainian "Crisis"; New High-Points in Cynicism Part IV

Post by blindpig » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:54 am

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HELLO TO KREMLIN TERPILES PROMISING TO DONBASS IN UKRAIA “HAPPY CHILDHOOD” The

Head of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine categorically rejected the possibility of amnesty for militias The

Ukrainian authorities do not intend to use the mechanism of full amnesty for participants in the conflict, provided for by the Minsk agreements. This statement was made by the head of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Zagorodniuk.

“In no scenario does anyone see an amnesty for terrorists and criminals who fought against ours, and especially those who committed crimes,” he said.

According to Zagorodniuk, the Minsk agreements were signed in 2014 "under serious pressure", and "now another vision can be proposed, which will be agreed with international partners."

Earlier, an associate of President of Ukraine Zelensky Yaremenko said that he would not receive an amnesty or the local police of Donbass.

Yaremenko also said that the Ukrainian side is negotiating to resolve the conflict in the Donbass "only with Russia"

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The responses to this extremely bitter, and why not?

It occurs to me that this may be tactical, foot dragging, to keep Russia mired. Putin & the mafia might be fine with such an outcome but the optics would be very bad indeed.
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Re: Footnotes from the Ukrainian "Crisis"; New High-Points in Cynicism Part IV

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PTS and current managers still killed the metallurgy of Donbass

Well, to the accompaniment of speeches about the growing economy and working enterprises, as well as to the grave silence of scum who know about the situation, but have no eggs to say so loudly, the metallurgy of the region is falling apart before our eyes.

DMZ, about which the liar Steshin said that everything is working, has not been started and is stopped completely. And they will not launch it. The plant is canned, water is drained from the cooling systems of the furnaces. So that it does not break from frost. At the same time, heating of the adjacent territories, which were heated due to the heat removed, was under threat. That's it. Including the 6th hospital with a maternity hospital.
Colossal outflow of personnel. People leave, go to Russia, to Ukraine. Already, two furnaces will not be able to work with all desire - no frames.
Information is received about the upcoming stop of the EMZ and then the Alchevsk Iron and Steel Works. Clowns have arrived!

In this case, mind you, not a single creature will not say what is happening. And Steshin will remain silent, there has long been no conscience. I think that life will punish. Can not pass by the fact that thanks to his lies thousands of people will be left without work. And just like that, those who did not say anything will catch their armful of punishment. Just wait.

The energy component of both the production sector and the vital activity of the entire region is under enormous threat.
All metallurgy works on one energy input, on one supply. Typically, plants are fed from two inputs. For example, from Starobeshevo and Uglegorsk TPP.
It is because of a single input that a recent accident at EMZ occurred. A blast furnace gas explosion occurred. It was lucky that at that moment there was a release of metal. It smoothed out. But even that entire district sagged on electricity and Donetsk even hooked.

And now look, it is enough for one Svidomo to shoot a glass insulator on a high-voltage support during the heating season and that’s all. Hello catastrophe with victims, freezing and breaking of heating mains with all that it implies.

But Pushilin drives, lays wreaths, cuts ribbons and performs at the show.
All the rest are silent. Where are all the social activists? Where are the unworthy journalists? Where is the Public Chamber finally?
Katati, remember how Koffman blocked off the new leadership of the Silur factory that was attacked by the raiders? He promised to start work in a short time. All announced dates came out a long time ago. There is nothing.

Well, have you done it? People’s Republic, Speak?

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