Socialist Demands for the COVID-19 Crisis

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Re: Socialist Demands for the COVID-19 Crisis

Post by chlamor » Tue Dec 30, 2025 6:08 pm

You should hear yourself. Very sad.

You fell for low grade propaganda spun by the most venal of capitalists who used their most lucrative business to achieve their aims.

And there you are with all of your reading and theorizing and when it came time you not only couldn't see what was happening you fell in line with them.

The most common symptom for Covid™ was that you felt perfectly fine. There was no viral pandemic or epidemiological emergency in 2020- it was mass murder.

The average age of a death by or with Covid-19™ is higher than life expectancy. That one of the signature features of a "covid death" is that they lived on average longer than usual should've clued you in.

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Re: Socialist Demands for the COVID-19 Crisis

Post by blindpig » Tue Dec 30, 2025 6:50 pm

You should hear yourself. Very sad.

I'm still waiting for you to explain the Chinese and Cubans, are they dupes too? All these folks?:

https://inter.kke.gr/ru/articles/--01253/

http://en.granma.cu/cuba/2020-04-06/cap ... -necessary

http://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/20200 ... 16143.html

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202006/ ... 53639.html

and so on.
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Re: Socialist Demands for the COVID-19 Crisis

Post by chlamor » Wed Dec 31, 2025 1:02 am

You gotta be kidding here.

Your first link didn't work.

The other three are one page articles that say less than nothing about anything. You really must be out of your mind here BP. You read that stuff and think it provides evidence of anything? Can you not talk about a single concrete detail? I don't think you can.

The Johns Hopkins dashboard? You are really lost my friend. Do you not know how that came about?

Here are some details. Wake up because that hysteria train is coming back.

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Data from 2020 show a total of 5,179 beds in intensive care units (approx. 8.9 beds per 100,000) for all of Italy, a population of just over 60 million in 2020.

At regular operational level in 2020 the 74 Lombardy hospitals, servicing a population of 10 million, had approximately 720 ICU beds, with up to 90% of them usually occupied in the winter.

By March 10, 2020 there were 877 people hospitalized in ICU units in Lombardy which were saturated and requests to transfer patients to other regions were prevalent.

The net effect of radical cuts to hospital infrastructure and services in the context of the covid hysteria were predictable; for years Italian ICU physicians have been reporting that flu outbreaks cause ICU units to fill up as was the case in locations across the world.

In Spring 2020 Italian health officials introduced unprecedented health protocols specifically for Covid.

These new protocols, including early intubation and accompanying sedation, were deemed necessary to protect doctors and nurses at a time when the viral load of the alleged lethal pathogen was purportedly lower.

These new protocols were inappropriate for treating upper respiratory problems and were used in lockstep throughout NATO countries.

Mechanical ventilators, that push oxygen into patients whose lungs are failing, quickly became the accepted go-to practice throughout the Italian hospital system.

Employing ventilators involves sedating the patient and placing a tube into the throat. Drugs such as midazolam, morphine sulfate and propofol are used in accompaniment with this procedure; drugs that come with contra-indications and warnings of side effects including respiratory depression and respiratory arrest. Midazolam and propofol are two drugs that are regularly used for assisted suicide and to put down death row inmates.

During the initial wave of hysteria in March 2020 the Italian government requested and received an emergency procurement of midazolam from Germany as their hospitals “suddenly needed 3-4 times the normal amount of this drug.”

The Italian Civil Protection undertook a fast-track public procurement to secure 3800 additional respiratory ventilators.

As early as April 2020 the reliance on mechanical ventilation came under fire from Italian experts. Luciano Gattinoni, a world-renowned Italian intensive care specialist suggested that “mechanical ventilation was being misused and overused.”

Questions surrounding actual causes of “Covid deaths” of the frail and elderly placed on ventilators began to surface for the simple reason that doctors were noticing unusually high death rates for coronavirus patients on ventilators.

It was mandated medical malfeasance, and not a "novel pathogen", that was igniting this tinderbox in the hospitals and creating a feedback loop of public panic.

What spread through the Italian hospitals in Spring 2020 was an epidemic of iatrogenesis.

The Spring 2020 mortality event in Northern Italy was not an epidemiological or biological aberration but the result of an unprecedented set of administrative mandates by the Italian government and public health officials.

And BTW you haven't been able to answer even a single question.

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Re: Socialist Demands for the COVID-19 Crisis

Post by chlamor » Wed Dec 31, 2025 1:12 am

I bet you also believed the lies of the piled up coffins in Bergamo. Propaganda 101 and you fell for it.

Interestingly not all of Italy was hit by the purportedly “super-spreading” virus. The excess deaths in Spring 2020 were limited to Northern Italy and to specific areas within Northern Italy.

The epicenter of the "covid virus" was reportedly located in the Lombardy region. The localized Lombardy crisis, portrayed to the world as the “Italian” zombie apocalypse, appeared not in the streets, shops or homes in Lombardy, but solely in hospitals and care homes situated in urban centers.

How did the alleged deadly pathogen bypass Central and Southern Italy which have similar demographics?

Data from March 26, 2020 confirms “the virus” did not migrate South honoring jurisdictional boundaries. Four regions in Northern Italy accounted for 89 percent of all Covid “cases.” This pattern would remain the same even as an onslaught of bogus PCR testing (PCR is not a test) was rolled out across the country.

One theory that surfaced suggested that since Lombardy has a high number of Chinese workers in the garment industry the “virus” was brought to Italy by Chinese migrant workers and spread through the region. This hypothesis fell apart when it was noted that Tuscany, a region in Central Italy, which has the largest concentration of Chinese people in Italy and all of Europe, somehow wasn’t hit by the “virus.”

The fact that Southern Italy didn’t get hit by the “virus” also turned the official narrative on its head.

A significant difference in the social structures between North and South Italy entails most elderly in the South living with or very near to their children. This tradition of extended familial support is known to create conditions conducive to well-being and security.

Per capita there are more long term care facilities (LTCF’s) in the north of Italy with many more residents living in these precarious conditions.

We now know that a large number of individuals in the north residing in LTCF’s, where conditions are often unhygienic, the nutrition is poor and the care is often negligent, a perfect storm for wholesale death was created.

The subsequent mass departure of overburdened and terrified staff and creation of mass anxiety within a disabled, fragile and abandoned populace virtually guaranteed a mass death event in this sector of the Northern Italian populace.

This same dynamic occurred in Spain, Belgium, the UK, France etc. and in the US.

Critical thinking 101 informs us that with 50 percent of the “COVID deaths” in Italy occurring among nursing home residents and the average age of “Covid death” being at or above normal life expectancy, this was decidedly not an issue of “COVID deaths” per se but an issue of social conditions.

Terrorizing and isolating elderly people living in care homes, denying them visits from relatives and reducing or eliminating in-person visits from health and social carers combined with any respiratory illness could, and does, sweep through any unsanitary nursing home and wipe out a significant number of the frail.

There was no need to invent a new contagion to explain why people were dying.

The social contagion of government mandates and the media hysteria became a disease more dangerous than any alleged biological contagion.- but the machinery of the state can conveniently sweep these factors under the rug by curating the swirling madness of “The Virus.”

And you don't know any of this? It's Marxism 101.

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Re: Socialist Demands for the COVID-19 Crisis

Post by blindpig » Wed Dec 31, 2025 12:33 pm

chlamor wrote:
Wed Dec 31, 2025 1:12 am
I bet you also believed the lies of the piled up coffins in Bergamo. Propaganda 101 and you fell for it.

Interestingly not all of Italy was hit by the purportedly “super-spreading” virus. The excess deaths in Spring 2020 were limited to Northern Italy and to specific areas within Northern Italy.

The epicenter of the "covid virus" was reportedly located in the Lombardy region. The localized Lombardy crisis, portrayed to the world as the “Italian” zombie apocalypse, appeared not in the streets, shops or homes in Lombardy, but solely in hospitals and care homes situated in urban centers.

How did the alleged deadly pathogen bypass Central and Southern Italy which have similar demographics?

Data from March 26, 2020 confirms “the virus” did not migrate South honoring jurisdictional boundaries. Four regions in Northern Italy accounted for 89 percent of all Covid “cases.” This pattern would remain the same even as an onslaught of bogus PCR testing (PCR is not a test) was rolled out across the country.

One theory that surfaced suggested that since Lombardy has a high number of Chinese workers in the garment industry the “virus” was brought to Italy by Chinese migrant workers and spread through the region. This hypothesis fell apart when it was noted that Tuscany, a region in Central Italy, which has the largest concentration of Chinese people in Italy and all of Europe, somehow wasn’t hit by the “virus.”

The fact that Southern Italy didn’t get hit by the “virus” also turned the official narrative on its head.

A significant difference in the social structures between North and South Italy entails most elderly in the South living with or very near to their children. This tradition of extended familial support is known to create conditions conducive to well-being and security.

Per capita there are more long term care facilities (LTCF’s) in the north of Italy with many more residents living in these precarious conditions.

We now know that a large number of individuals in the north residing in LTCF’s, where conditions are often unhygienic, the nutrition is poor and the care is often negligent, a perfect storm for wholesale death was created.

The subsequent mass departure of overburdened and terrified staff and creation of mass anxiety within a disabled, fragile and abandoned populace virtually guaranteed a mass death event in this sector of the Northern Italian populace.

This same dynamic occurred in Spain, Belgium, the UK, France etc. and in the US.

Critical thinking 101 informs us that with 50 percent of the “COVID deaths” in Italy occurring among nursing home residents and the average age of “Covid death” being at or above normal life expectancy, this was decidedly not an issue of “COVID deaths” per se but an issue of social conditions.

Terrorizing and isolating elderly people living in care homes, denying them visits from relatives and reducing or eliminating in-person visits from health and social carers combined with any respiratory illness could, and does, sweep through any unsanitary nursing home and wipe out a significant number of the frail.

There was no need to invent a new contagion to explain why people were dying.

The social contagion of government mandates and the media hysteria became a disease more dangerous than any alleged biological contagion.- but the machinery of the state can conveniently sweep these factors under the rug by curating the swirling madness of “The Virus.”

And you don't know any of this? It's Marxism 101.
Yes yes I recall some of this from the time. And I grabbed those links from this thread, should have verified.

We've been through all of this before and while it shows that something is going on it in no way verifies that covid is phony. To be sure a lot of dirt was done but you do not make the case, you provide a lot of circumstance.

Again I will defer to 'higher authority':

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FILE PHOTO: A display shows packages of vaccine candidate for SARS-CoV-2 by Sinovac Biotech in Beijing, China, September 24, 2020. [Photo/Agencies]

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Sao Paulo state Health Secretary Jean Gorinchteyn (left) and Dimas Covas, director of the Butantan Institute, hold doses of the CoronaVac COVID-19 vaccine, developed by Sinovac Biotech, as a plane loaded with 5.5 million doses arrives at Campinas, Brazil, on Thursday. AMANDA PEROBELLI/REUTERS

Appears a lot of the Chinese graphics have been removed but I hope I've made my point.

Again the issue is the origin of covid, what the bastards did with it is another story. And I really have no desire to rehash all of this, the actions of the Chinese and Cuban parties speak louder than your speculation.
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Re: Socialist Demands for the COVID-19 Crisis

Post by chlamor » Fri Jan 02, 2026 8:38 pm

Boy are you sidestepping reality. Please don't tell me you were foolish enough to inject yourself with an experimental neurotoxin produced by serial felons.

I'm not speculating about anything- I have concrete evidence- mountains of it and you are in denial.

Face it BP you fell in with some of the greasiest batch of con men, bagmen, charlatans, shysters and outright criminals the world has seen over the past few decades.

You swallowed in full the lies of corrupt ghouls like Bourla, Fauci, Gottlieb, Gates, Drosten, Ferguson,etc. who have a long history of corruption, deceit, racketeering and worse.

But duh, high school level papers that have just a bunch of slogans are all you require. The same bullshit was being rolled out at WSWS why don't you post some of that claptrap.

There is no "origin of covid" you fool. Admit you were conned and apologize to those around you who weren't.

All of the kids whose lives were ruined forever, all of the elderly that were killed in nursing homes isolated and terrified, all the people killed in hospitals by protocols. That's what you and everyone who went along with this are responsible for.

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Re: Socialist Demands for the COVID-19 Crisis

Post by chlamor » Fri Jan 02, 2026 8:42 pm

Here's an exchange I had with Steel Pirate in Nov. 2024- at least he had the balls to recognize and then apologize falling for this murderous scam:

SP: Glad to see there are still some out there that won't let this crime against humanity pass. I'm astounded that so many - even those who were resisting it - have essentially memory holed it and moved on. Millions dead, injured for life, and destroyed and the death toll from this crime spree and the injection is far from over. I'm still furious at myself for buying for one second that this scam ever existed at the start. Four or five years in, there's no excuse in the world to attach any validity to ANY of it. There was no pandemic and there was no viral entity called Covid19. The left went completely insane, and what's even more disturbing here is that guys like Bhattacharya, Oz, and RFK are now in tow with Captain Warp Speed/Ventilator King Trump as supposed opposition to any of it. Beyond laughable. Controlled opposition doesn't even begin to cover this madness. Hope you're well man. Don't ever back off from exposing the depravity that took place. It's not over. It will never be over. Never forget.

Me: Though I was acutely aware of the rank hypocrisy of the liberal class I still can't believe what I witnessed and went through on a daily basis in the lib/prog sinkhole where I was living at the time. No need to review that here.

What I was astounded at was how suddenly moronic and a-historical most of the Marxist, socialists etc. became virtually overnight. You'd think they would apply some economic analysis and historical context to the operation but not only did they avoid this they rebuffed anyone who tried to address the corona crisis in these terms.

So much for historical materialism.

Excellent to see you around- still going strong here.

SP: Not only rebuffed, but vilified, attacked, and erased man. I still see some around and they're still doing it in full force. Not a single ounce of self-reflection to their complicity. They are unable to admit they were wrong. In the face of mountains of evidence and research that proves it beyond any doubt. The silence from even the fence-sitters is deafening. Deep denial at a level I've never seen. I've lost family, friends, and more for not backing down and speaking out. I'm sure you've experienced the same. I've watched some of them lose their friends and family members way too early from the injection. Many sickened and a shell of their former selves. Still, it doesn't click in their minds. They can't make the connection. I grieve it all man, but there's no possibility of reasoning with them. Stay well old friend.

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Re: Socialist Demands for the COVID-19 Crisis

Post by chlamor » Fri Jan 02, 2026 9:25 pm

Were US hospitals really overwhelmed? Nope it was all lies.

Were NYC hospitals overwhelmed in Spring 2020? Nope it was all lies.

Was Elmhurst hospital, the ‘epicenter of the epicenter’, overflowing in Spring 2020? Nope it was all lies.

Were ICUs flooded with patients? Nope it was all lies.

Were US hospitals busier in 2020 than they were in 2019? Nope it was all lies.

Were Covid death counts and death certificates accurate or were Covid deaths artificially inflated? Inflated.

What was the average age of Covid deaths and how did that compare with normal life expectancy? A year OVER life expectancy. Buy a clue- they killed the elderly to stoke the fear and deal with unfunded liabilities. Oh no, they would never do that. Except they do it all the time.

What percentage of Covid deaths were from people who already had multiple comorbidities? You know the answer.

Were the photos of coffins from Bergamo, Italy, in March 2020, used to terrify the world, authentic? Nope total fraud. Those photos were from the Lampedusa Airport. Inside those coffins were dead Africans who died in a shipwreck in 2013.

Why did CNN, NY Times etc. report that a 7-year-old Georgia boy died from Covid when he drowned in a bathtub after a seizure?

What about the teenager from Australia that "died from covid"- that was bullhorned everywhere- see kids can also die from the "deadly virus"!? Oops more bullshit he had stage 4 leukemia.

Why did the CDC unilaterally change recording methods (for first time in history in violation of federal law) exclusively for Covid deaths and how did this inflate Covid fatality numbers?

Were hospitals incentivized to manufacture Covid patients? Yep. They made hundreds of million$$$- happy investors!

What were the Covid hospital treatment protocols? Do you even know?

Were hospitals incentivized to put Covid patients on ventilators and to use Remdesivir?

Did these incentives and protocols kill people by the thousands? Rhetorical.

What did they mean when they said “taking care of the elderly?”

How did they “take care of the elderly in Canada?” In the UK? In France? In Spain? In Belgium? In Maryland?In Massachusetts?In Washington DC? In Mississippi? In NewYork? In New Jersey? In Minnesota? In Indiana? In Louisiana? In Michigan? In Rhode Island?

What did Neil Ferguson’s original computer models predict about Covid deaths and what was his well documented track record?

How did his calamitous and inaccurate predictions play such a central role in determining government policy?

Who is Christian Drosten and how did he develop the now famous Covid PCR test? What is his past history? Who does he work for?

Who is Anthony Fauci? What role did Anthony Fauci play in the HIV/AIDS crisis?

Why did Bill Gates play such a central role in determining government policy?

How did Bill Gates know in 2019 that vaccines would be “one of the best buys” in 2020?

Why did the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation invest $55 million in the shares of BioNTech in August of 2019?

This is the starter packet. Have you asked any of these questions and sought out the answer?

No, I guess all you need is a flyer and a statement from an organization.

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Re: Socialist Demands for the COVID-19 Crisis

Post by chlamor » Fri Jan 02, 2026 9:29 pm

The modern stone age medical mafia now has control of about 19% of the US economy. That is millions of jobs and trillions in income and profits...and taxes for the investor class.

Funny how any clear-thinking Marxist would not understand how "pandemics" and politics/finance don't go together.

It is impossible to underestimate the value that Pharma and the medical cartel bring to large financial investment firms. Pharmaceuticals and the "health management system" in the US is currently the largest sector of the US economy pumping over $4 trillion/yr into the financial system.

"Disease" has replaced the war machine as the world's primary money spinner, the elites need continuing large-scale health crises to keep their racketeering schemes going. Pandemics are mammoth business opportunities for the Pharma Cartel and the financiers that control the details and direction of policy.

Covid™ is the quintessential example of how the medical cartel orchestrates their criminal conspiracies. Trillions funneled into the decaying financial systems of the collapsing Western financial system through a manufactured "crisis." Global racketeering run through the medical mafia.

The so-called power elites need to produce and perpetuate multiple large-scale health crises (along with the constantly rolling small-scale medical "scares" and schemes) to keep the medical-industrial complex going.

The Vaccine™ is the golden egg in this entire scheme, specifically circa 2025 the mRNA Vaccine™. This new Vaccine Model™ is ever-ready for any and all "emergencies" that the World Health Organization invents.

All of this is subsidized via public-private partnerships underwritten by the likes of the World Economic Forum, the Gates Foundation, Wellcome Trust, the International Monetary Fund, Bloomberg, BlackRock, etc. and their money-spinning associates who invest in and control the WHO, which is the agency tasked with preparing the field for insider business and the machine that creates the fear - it's called insider trading.

No need for elaborate "conspiracy theories" (actual conspiracies on a grand scale happen every minute of every day) just well deployed weaponized piles of money.

IMF Chief K Georgieva- "Vaccine policy is economic policy."

All of this fraud is codified and enforced by governments who are completely controlled and betrothed to these massive financial conglomerates (Blackrock, Vanguard etc.) who are heavily invested in Pharma Inc. and have a significant portion of their fortunes tied to the fate of Big Pharma and the “disease management” system.

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