Dumbest fucking article I've read in a week, an OP from February 2008 with select responses.(too tangled to present in one post)
chlamor
02-13-2008, 07:36 PM
I Dreamt That Lincoln Had a Dream: Barack Obama, the American Theodicy, and the Spirit of American Democracy
by Saniel Bonder
http://www.opednews.com
I almost got thrown out of Harvard in 1969 for protesting the Viet Nam War, and never regretted it. Yet soon the limitations of mere political activism burdened me. I knew that without a corresponding revolutionary shift in our fundamental sense of who we are and what human life is about, our outward revolutions would be cosmetic. Yes, they were important. But they weren’t fundamental.
This led to my spiritual quest and work. I have never ceased to be a revolutionary. I’ve simply continued to try to help transform human nature and society from a different focus.
Along the way I’ve read about the American Revolutionary period and the Renaissance—times that dramatically shifted not just people’s outward lives but also the very mindset and disposition of the human spirit.
By contrast, I’ve felt something essential has been increasingly missing in action in American politics and society—first slain in leaders like the Kennedys and King, then mangled by Nixon, and later just falling asleep, getting lost, being forgotten, slipping away.
Then in the later 90s, I had a remarkable dream about that American essence. First I was seeing Abe Lincoln’s head and upper torso from behind. He was asleep, dreaming, disturbed. And then, suddenly, I was dreaming his dream with him:
A cartoon-like character was sitting by a roadside in the hot sun. He had little stick arms and legs like Mr. Peanut, but his body was a paper booklet. I knew immediately that his name was “The American Theodicy,” and that he was composed of primary documents expressing the spirit of America: The Declaration of Independence. The Bill of Rights and certain Constitutional Amendments. Perhaps Thomas Paine’s Common Sense. Definitely Lincoln’s own Gettysburg Address.
The American Theodicy sat there weeping, abandoned and left behind. He’d been literally ripped out of the sprawling corpus of policies, judgments, regulations, agreements, and stipulations, and also deals and compromises, that have grown up to comprise American polity.
The dreaming Mr. Lincoln grieved.
I’d never heard the word “theodicy” before. It means, in Greek, “justification of God,” as in, how we can explain the existence of a benign God in the face of universal suffering and human evil. Or, “vindication of the divine attributes, especially justice and holiness, with respect to the existence of evil.”
It’s not necessary to make grand pronouncements about God, good, and evil to feel that the spiritual heart of America has been ripped out of our body politic. Especially, but not only, during the current administration. And not just by Republicans.
So in this presidential campaign I’ve been thrilled and delighted that, for the first time ever, a woman and a man of color have become the only serious Democratic contenders. That sheer fact is already a good portent. Like my friend Stephen Dinan (see his recent post), I was mostly leaning toward Hillary, with reservations. Then I saw Obama speak after the New Hampshire primary.
I marveled. I really had no idea how much I myself had been grieving for the American Theodicy—the spiritual charter of American Democracy, secular yet so numinous, our most precious gift to all humankind—until I saw and heard Obama speak that night and felt him give hope back to my heart.
Now, I’m an optimistic fighter for the human spirit and the fulfillment of our destinies. But as I felt our core values getting lost and undermined, I had increasingly despaired for decades about our nation. Here, now, this focused, dignified, courageous, wise, and vibrant man was giving me a transfusion of hope, there where I had been mourning without knowing it.
I’ve continued to marvel at Obama ever since. I’m not a starry-eyed idealist. I know this guy’s got his shadow side. Everybody does. Obama’s not perfect. Not even close. Nobody is. If we elect him, he will not always make everyone happy. And we will not just feel he’s God’s pure gift to America and humankind.
That doesn’t mean he won’t prove to be one of the most crystalline embodiments of the spirit of the Declaration of Independence and our Revolutionary War—the spirit that brought forth our still-amazing Constitution—the spirit of the Gettysburg Address—that we have been blessed to have among us, maybe even since the flawed yet heroic Lincoln himself.
I appreciate comparisons to JFK, yes. But, historically, our current crisis—crises—may be nearly as grave, and as central to the very heartbeat of our country, as those we faced during and after the Civil War. We have to find out who we are as a republic again, and regenerate ourselves from the heart out.
The “Spirit of ’76” is a clarion name for the energy that suddenly arose in the year of the Declaration of Independence and propelled us into becoming the first democratic nation on Earth since ancient Athens. The “Spirit of American Democracy” is something alive that courses through Americans’ veins and slakes the thirst for freedom, tolerance, compassion, empowerment of one and all, and the infusion of hope where there has been empty despair, among countless people worldwide.
I continue to feel that Hillary Clinton is a truly great American, and one of the finest presidential candidates we have ever had, of any gender, any party. But something else is happening with Obama.
I now deeply believe that Barack Obama is manifesting that Spirit of America with almost unprecedented clarity and power. I believe that, with the help of many of all ages, races, creeds or not, of all economic strata and even all political inclinations, he can restore the American Theodicy to the living heart of our statutes, laws, and operating principles. I believe he has inherited a mantle of presidential leadership that can awaken our country to responsible care, inspiration, and stewardship of all our own people and lands, and regenerate our good works, name, and reputation abroad. I believe he can and will unite our country and take us into a new era of fundamental tolerance, respect, justice, and collaboration even amid our differences. I believe he will fearlessly and wisely find ways to help the world address terrorism, global warming, economic peril, and many other immense challenges. I believe it is his destiny-call to lead us in rescuing and resuscitating the generous, wise and mighty Spirit of America in our own time.
And—forgive me if I get mystical on you—I believe that somewhere, somehow, the spirit of Mr. Lincoln is no longer grieving.
Not as much.
Not any more.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/oped ... lincol.htm (
http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/oped ... lincol.htm)
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Intent on democratizing Eastern-style awakeness and integrating it with everyday Western life, Saniel Bonder is an acclaimed teacher, one of the foremost pioneers of evolutionary, embodied, and mutual enlightenment working today. A Harvard graduate, he has authored nine books, including "Great Relief: Nine Sacred Secrets Your Body Wants You to Know," "Healing the Spirit/Matter Split," "Waking Down: Beyond Hypermasculine Dharmas," and a novel, "While Jesus Weeps."
Saniel is the founder of the international Waking Down in Mutuality™ transformational process and network. Along with his wife and teaching partner Linda Groves-Bonder and dozens of colleagues trained under his guidance, he has helped many hundreds of people rapidly achieve stable spiritual awakenings of a kind that few historically ever could. Saniel and Linda are founding members of Ken Wilber’s Integral Institute, charter members of the Integral Spiritual Center, and members of American Zen master Genpo Roshi’s Big Mind Advisory Board. He is a dynamic speaker at conferences on spiritual freedom and planetary change.
Saniel and Linda offer their own version of the Waking Down in Mutuality™ energetic transmission and teaching as part of their total White-Hot Way™ path for serious seekers of spiritual and personal evolution. And this year, 2008, they are debuting their offering of HEARTgazing™, a “simple, powerful, non-sectarian way to strengthen your bodily connection to the Divine no matter what’s happening in your life.” This gentle yet profound technology is designed for use by anyone anywhere who hungers to deepen and grow in spiritual faith and all-around personal integrity, wellness, effectiveness, and joy.
A golf fanatic, Saniel has a "mental game" teaching on it--"Honest Swing Golf™." He also plays flutes. And, he'd cheerfully enter the "Most Happily Married Man on the Planet" reality show...
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chlamor
02-13-2008, 08:08 PM
C'mon folks how can you possibly not recognize religious proseltyzing when you see it?
Doesn't matter if the author is trying to use a miniscule bit of a political sideshow as a front for the spiritual gospel, with a trademark it seems.
And then toss in some drippy American sentimentality for a time that never was and you have one of the most vapid pointless articles ever on this forum.
But wait. It DOES fit, quite perfectly in fact, with the Obama hype which is- ever there was- purely faith-based politics.
So Bama and Hillary are great Americans? Both of them as deep into corporate war-whoring as one can get. Tell the Iraqi children of their greatness. Two great Americans that VOTED FOR war funding EVERY TIME.
Two great Americans that promise to expand the US military in numbers and financing. It would be easy to go on all dayexpounding upon their corporate greatness. But of course people who base their opinions on faith can't be bothered by factual analysis.
So the "revolutionary" author thinks it time to manifest our crystalline beings into being all we can be as we to bring about the change we wish to see in the world? Where's my mantra?
Next time please just title the article, "My Political Goo Piece As An Act of Faith- But What I'm Really Saying Is It's All About Me."
How in the hell can something like this get published in a political blog and be taken seriously?
But alas Oprah and "The Secret" are the politics du jour in "post-modern" liberal America.
Wow. We are in trouble.
Waking Down in Mutuality™
White-Hot Way™
HEARTgazing™
"Honest Swing Golf™
What's up with the little tm's after all the "spiritual products?" Looks like capitalism to me.
This piece is nothing more than self-indulgent meanderings from a liberal elitist.
As an aside I'd say to the author you might want to skip the New-Agey platitudes and do the real investigative journalism of researching Obama's corporate allegiances and who advises him on policy and GASP! what the guy says, when he does, beyond his sloganeering.
Obama's a company man. He is the embodiment of the status quo as is Hillary and that matters not a bit on gender or race. Don't believe it, ask Goldman Sachs.
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Kid of the Black Hole
02-13-2008, 08:11 PM
Dude, this had me in stitches the whole. I recommend everyone read his bio at the end first like I did because it really sets the tone:
You know he's a lunatic, but then he takes the plunge into comedy of the absurd. You think he's going to spend the whole article chanting OHM but then suddenly he becomes Captain America and drops the Obama bomb.
Second funniest thing I've read today
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blindpig
02-13-2008, 08:44 PM
I ought to kill you. That was fucking painful. I'm flat out of irony, the cynicism is bottomed out, low comedy no longer amuses.
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Two Americas
02-13-2008, 11:43 PM
This is great.
I almost got thrown out of Harvard in 1969 for protesting the Viet Nam War, and never regretted it. Yet soon the limitations of mere political activism burdened me. I knew that without a corresponding revolutionary shift in our fundamental sense of who we are and what human life is about, our outward revolutions would be cosmetic. Yes, they were important. But they weren’t fundamental.
This led to my spiritual quest and work. I have never ceased to be a revolutionary. I’ve simply continued to try to help transform human nature and society from a different focus.
There is that shift I talk about all of the time. We are still living in that era of seeking "a corresponding revolutionary shift in our fundamental sense of who we are and what human life is about."
"I was a political activist (what a joke that is - ALMOST got thrown out of HARVARD who-the-fuck-are-we-kidding?) - and hey don't get me wrong I have no regrets..."
But all of that stuff - reality - is just "cosmetic" and he wanted to seek deeper meaning, i.e. "who we are and what human life is about" good-fucking-god-I-kid-you-not.
This is just great.
Now listen up y'all.
I am pissed.
Dammit I am pissed - y'all ripped me off and you have been lying to me all this time.
I have been trying to talk about this and getting blank stares and shoulder shrugs. But there is is right there - proof positive. 40 years of being told that I was imagining this, or that it was of no consequence. Millions of people followed the lead of assholes like this. We are still living in the fog that this shit induced, dammit. Fuck, all that suffering, all of that confusion and frustration.
No wonder things are so fucked up. You can laugh at this guy, but what he is saying here runs our lives.
I am really pissed.
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Michael Collins
02-14-2008, 03:24 AM
That is pretty stupid. I thought you might be overreaching but you're dead on here.
While I wasn't a revolutionary in college, some considered me revolting.
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anaxarchos
02-14-2008, 11:51 AM
That is pretty stupid. I thought you might be overreaching but you're dead on here.
While I wasn't a revolutionary in college, some considered me revolting.
It was a very, very different time. Universities in particular gave a different picture of society. They were a reflection of the post-WW2 prosperity (now apparently proven to be quite transitory). The post WW2 investment in public universities, the focus on education as a means for social mobility, the impact, and then the Vietnam War's doubling of the impact, of the G.I. Bill on the composition of college students (who were older, more working class, more representative of the society) - all of these reinforced the Cold War-era platitude of "One Big Middle Class". In turn the social movements surrounding that environment were equally declassed. The Civil Rights movement, which birthed it all, put up the illusion of "black people" whose division into a radical mass and a conservative "elite" seemed obvious. That this was almost entirely illusory (the % of actual "black bourgeoise" being insignificant) did not keep the movement from appearing to be, first political and juridical, and then more broadly about "attitudes" (i.e. "racism"). What was illusion in the Civil Rights movement was much more practically realized in the cross-class movements for Gender Equality, Sexual Preference, Environmentalism, and so on. The criticism was often dead on but the underlying causes were never clear... and as the various anti-"ism" (racism, sexism, etal) got further and further from the core issues, they appeared even more deeply rooted in public attitudes and even less born of distinct class structures.
All of the above was profoundly reinforced by the cultural criticism of the times, which was often brilliant and superficial. This last conditioned the view of the second leg of the biped as well. In Foreign Policy, what America "opposed" were largely National Liberation movements, themselves cross-class alliances (of a very different and much more profound character) which articulated their goals and demands in the most general and popular of terms. In turn, the movements of potential draftees echoed back, "Give Peace a Chance".
Given all of it, the wonder is that anybody saw anything but "attitudes", "human nature", the need to transform "thinking" and ultimately, to do this by transforming one's "self".
This guy may be stupid but he is also typical... transcending his peers only with his mystical clap-trap and his apparent readiness to make a buck on it.
Auto, our generation might have taken the blinders off (from the 1950s) but it also saw the world through a camera obscura, taking touristic snapshots of the most trivial manifestations of far more rooted phenomena and then claiming that the act of picture taking itself was enough to exorcise the evil spirits (on whose actual composition, most didn't have a clue).
We have to mercilessly beat up the public ideas of these crackpots but frankly, I don't see it as a whit different from 99.44% of all of the claptrap I hear of a "political" or "progressive" origin.
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wolfgang von skeptik
02-14-2008, 04:18 PM
But you have to churn it around some more for it to make any sense:
I almost got thrown out of Vietnam in 1969 for protesting the Harvard War, and never regretted it.
And then you see how nonsensical it truly is.
Obama? Omama? I am so zombified by Moron Nation, I can no longer even sneer.
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meganmonkey
02-14-2008, 04:35 PM
Damn, I just witnessed my first Obama-as-savior moment
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A work-related colleague was chatting with another person in our office.
Conversation turned toward politics and I turned away from the conversation but continued to listen.
This woman said she had 'something like a revelation' last night, like 'the whole universe was aligned' to tell her that she had to vote for Obama.
OMG. I've seen it on websites but this was my first face-to-face experience.
I feel slightly ill.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130328021 ... 48254.html